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Published: Sunday, Sept. 30 2012 12:00 a.m. MDT

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bandersen
Saint George, UT

I guess Ward and June Cleaver actually is a possibility and one to strive for at that!

Gildas
LOGAN, UT

In many ways I liked this article. I'm all for marriage when it is entered into with commitment on both sides (husband and wife) and with common sense or just plain sense. It suggests a moral and responsible people.

The connections between marriage and education could be more discussed however. I mean I don't think that marriages would increase because more people are marking time at high school or taking higher education course; I think that is confusing cause and effect.
I woula also pose this question: do career women, who are more likely to be enrolled in an institution of higher learning, have less illegitimate children b'c they are more likely to use birth control and abortions or is it because they are more moral and responsible and not looking for a welfare check?

I think that married women who stay home, and are not career women, are more likely to help solve the economic problems of the nation by decreasing the huge unemployed labor pool that keeps wages down, provided of course that government and employers stop outsourcing and start e-verifying that the work force is composed only of citizens and legal residents.

Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Forty or fifty years ago, a male high school graduate could go out and find a job that would support a family and enable him to buy a house. In other words, a job he could build a life around. So that's exactly what they did, started a family, bought a house, and lived a stable life.

A similar high school graduate today gets a part time, minimum wage job stocking shelves at Wal-Mart or standing behind a counter at Wendy's, not even close to a job you could build a life around. So they don't start a family, or buy a house, although they may well have children.

I agree completely with the editorial about our toxic culture, but until our economy goes back to generating the kinds of jobs that will support a family, it's going to keep going downhill.

cjb
Bountiful, UT

this isn't surprise in the love and respect between a biological parent and child is stronger that the love between I step parent at the step child.

jrgl
CEDAR CITY, UT

It's so easy for the media to point out that single mothers or single women should all marry. The problem is this, where do you propose all these financially stable men looking to marry come from?

Furry1993
Ogden, UT

to bandersen 7:42 a.m. Sept. 30, 2012

I guess Ward and June Cleaver actually is a possibility and one to strive for at that!

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My husband and I are both in our 60s. We have been married for 43 years. There is no way I would ever want to live as a second-class citizen like June Cleaver did. Women in those days were subservient to their husbands, and were treated at law as their husbands' possesions -- they had no legal identity of their own. That is nothing to strive for.

I was lucky. My husband wanted a partner, not someone who was subservient to him.

isrred
South Jordan, UT

"Stable families have proven to be the most effective method for nurturing children, teaching responsibility, refining adults, stabilizing society and ensuring prosperity. Families are not fool proof organizations, but even when they are less than perfect, they are far more responsive to individual needs than the best designed bureaucracy."

And this coming from an organization that advocates denying loving and committed families from having legal marriage rights and protections? The hypocrisy is maddening.

mtf1953
Berkeley, CA

Good article. Don't think the word 'biological' is necessary however. There are many studies that show that households with adoptive parents provide the same stable environment that results in successful, happy, well-adjusted children.

one vote
Salt Lake City, UT

Yes prevent them for being part of the 47 percent of victims and pay tax to give the millionaires a needed tax break.

RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

"Moreover, the relationship between cohabiting parents does not seem to substitute for protective benefits provided by marriage.

Of course, it is not just children who benefit from stable marriages. Another large body of scholarship documents the relationship between marriage and general happiness and well-being for adults."

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All the more reason to support marriage equality. FYI, GLBT couples and their children are families too and need the same structures and supports as other family models.

bandersen
Saint George, UT

Last time I watched Leave it to Beaver, I never saw abuse, condescension, or the chattel mentality you seem to believe it represented. A clean, happy, normal family in the 50s. I guess it just doesn't measure up to what our society is achieving today. I'll stick to Leave it to Beaver any day!

Blue
Salt Lake City, UT

banderson: "Last time I watched Leave it to Beaver, I never saw abuse, condescension, or the chattel mentality you seem to believe it represented. A clean, happy, normal family in the 50s."

Modern-day conservatism in a nutshell: A complete inability to separate fact from fiction.

Furry1993
Ogden, UT

To bandersen 7:21 a.m. Oct. 1, 2012

Last time I watched Leave it to Beaver, I never saw abuse, condescension, or the chattel mentality you seem to believe it represented. A clean, happy, normal family in the 50s. I guess it just doesn't measure up to what our society is achieving today. I'll stick to Leave it to Beaver any day!

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You saw the show. I lived through the time it depicted as a child, young woman, and adult. I saw the quiet desperation and depression my mother suffered trying to fit into a pattern that just didn't suit her because that is what she was supposed to do. I felt the condescension, and the chattel mentality when I reached adulthood and chose to have both family AND career instead of just falling into my mother's situation. I'm very grateful that I have a husband who is willing to let me be myself, and succeed in all interest areas of my life. You appear to be lieve that men and women should be forced into roles to which they are not suited. I don't. I stand by my comments -- they're accurate.

What in Tucket?
Provo, UT

a good jobs market is the best way out of poverty. The "War on Poverty" only impoverished our country and did not help the poor. A lower corporate tax from the world's highest at 35% should be more like 25%. After the election Obama has a huge tax hike coming for us. It is the Bush tax cuts will elapse before the end of the year. Obama can veto a bill allowing them to continue.

bandersen
Saint George, UT

Furry, every decision we make has a consequence. You seem to think that every women wants what you or your mother did. Every decision has a consequence. If you are trying to say that stay at home moms are unfulfilled, then I doubt very much you can prove that. But, decisions have consequences. I don't have a clue what yours was or is. If you're happy with it, then good for you. There's not a show on tv that doesn't live in fantasy land. I just liked Leave it to Beaver. I'm pretty certain that there is not a boy or girl alive that wouldn't like to have a mother home when they come home from school.

Salsero
Provo, UT

"The most effective anti-poverty program is stable marriage."

A good job is essential for stability. Marriage is nothing without a good economic foundation. However, marriage is not essential for economic success. As long as financial stresses can be minimized, poverty can be mitigated with or without marriage.

Furry1993
Ogden, UT

To bandersen 4:31 p.m. Oct. 1, 2012

I'm pretty certain that there is not a boy or girl alive that wouldn't like to have a mother home when they come home from school.

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I would hve preferred that my mother had worked outside the home. She would have been a LOT happier (and I would not have had to spend the better part of my life hearing "how much she gave up for me" because she stayed home). My father would not have had to work three jobs (one full timme and two part time) to keep food on our table and a roof over our heads. We would have all been a lot better off if my mother had been employed.

In one way you're right -- every sitution is unique. My point is that a variety of choices were not available in a Leave It To Beaver world. The set-in-stone gender roles in that type of world do not suit a lot of people, and women's choices and opportunities are very limited. The problems may have been less visible but they were (and are) VERY real.

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