To bandersen 4:31 p.m. Oct. 1, 2012 I'm pretty certain that
there is not a boy or girl alive that wouldn't like to have a mother home
when they come home from school.-------------------------I would hve preferred that my mother had worked outside the home. She would
have been a LOT happier (and I would not have had to spend the better part of my
life hearing "how much she gave up for me" because she stayed home). My
father would not have had to work three jobs (one full timme and two part time)
to keep food on our table and a roof over our heads. We would have all been a
lot better off if my mother had been employed.In one way you're
right -- every sitution is unique. My point is that a variety of choices were
not available in a Leave It To Beaver world. The set-in-stone gender roles in
that type of world do not suit a lot of people, and women's choices and
opportunities are very limited. The problems may have been less visible but
they were (and are) VERY real.
"The most effective anti-poverty program is stable marriage."A good job is essential for stability. Marriage is nothing without a good
economic foundation. However, marriage is not essential for economic success.
As long as financial stresses can be minimized, poverty can be mitigated with or
Furry, every decision we make has a consequence. You seem to think that every
women wants what you or your mother did. Every decision has a consequence. If
you are trying to say that stay at home moms are unfulfilled, then I doubt very
much you can prove that. But, decisions have consequences. I don't have a
clue what yours was or is. If you're happy with it, then good for you.
There's not a show on tv that doesn't live in fantasy land. I just
liked Leave it to Beaver. I'm pretty certain that there is not a boy or
girl alive that wouldn't like to have a mother home when they come home
a good jobs market is the best way out of poverty. The "War on Poverty"
only impoverished our country and did not help the poor. A lower corporate tax
from the world's highest at 35% should be more like 25%. After the
election Obama has a huge tax hike coming for us. It is the Bush tax cuts will
elapse before the end of the year. Obama can veto a bill allowing them to
To bandersen 7:21 a.m. Oct. 1, 2012Last time I watched Leave it to
Beaver, I never saw abuse, condescension, or the chattel mentality you seem to
believe it represented. A clean, happy, normal family in the 50s. I guess it
just doesn't measure up to what our society is achieving today. I'll
stick to Leave it to Beaver any day!----------------------You saw the show. I lived through the time it depicted as a child, young
woman, and adult. I saw the quiet desperation and depression my mother suffered
trying to fit into a pattern that just didn't suit her because that is what
she was supposed to do. I felt the condescension, and the chattel mentality
when I reached adulthood and chose to have both family AND career instead of
just falling into my mother's situation. I'm very grateful that I
have a husband who is willing to let me be myself, and succeed in all interest
areas of my life. You appear to be lieve that men and women should be forced
into roles to which they are not suited. I don't. I stand by my comments
-- they're accurate.
banderson: "Last time I watched Leave it to Beaver, I never saw abuse,
condescension, or the chattel mentality you seem to believe it represented. A
clean, happy, normal family in the 50s."Modern-day conservatism
in a nutshell: A complete inability to separate fact from fiction.
Last time I watched Leave it to Beaver, I never saw abuse, condescension, or the
chattel mentality you seem to believe it represented. A clean, happy, normal
family in the 50s. I guess it just doesn't measure up to what our society
is achieving today. I'll stick to Leave it to Beaver any day!
"Moreover, the relationship between cohabiting parents does not seem to
substitute for protective benefits provided by marriage.Of course,
it is not just children who benefit from stable marriages. Another large body of
scholarship documents the relationship between marriage and general happiness
and well-being for adults."---All the more reason to
support marriage equality. FYI, GLBT couples and their children are families
too and need the same structures and supports as other family models.
Yes prevent them for being part of the 47 percent of victims and pay tax to give
the millionaires a needed tax break.
Good article. Don't think the word 'biological' is necessary
however. There are many studies that show that households with adoptive parents
provide the same stable environment that results in successful, happy,
"Stable families have proven to be the most effective method for nurturing
children, teaching responsibility, refining adults, stabilizing society and
ensuring prosperity. Families are not fool proof organizations, but even when
they are less than perfect, they are far more responsive to individual needs
than the best designed bureaucracy."And this coming from an
organization that advocates denying loving and committed families from having
legal marriage rights and protections? The hypocrisy is maddening.
to bandersen 7:42 a.m. Sept. 30, 2012I guess Ward and June Cleaver
actually is a possibility and one to strive for at that!-----------------------------My husband and I are both in our 60s.
We have been married for 43 years. There is no way I would ever want to live
as a second-class citizen like June Cleaver did. Women in those days were
subservient to their husbands, and were treated at law as their husbands'
possesions -- they had no legal identity of their own. That is nothing to
strive for.I was lucky. My husband wanted a partner, not someone
who was subservient to him.
It's so easy for the media to point out that single mothers or single women
should all marry. The problem is this, where do you propose all these
financially stable men looking to marry come from?
this isn't surprise in the love and respect between a biological parent and
child is stronger that the love between I step parent at the step child.
Forty or fifty years ago, a male high school graduate could go out and find a
job that would support a family and enable him to buy a house. In other words, a
job he could build a life around. So that's exactly what they did, started
a family, bought a house, and lived a stable life. A similar high
school graduate today gets a part time, minimum wage job stocking shelves at
Wal-Mart or standing behind a counter at Wendy's, not even close to a job
you could build a life around. So they don't start a family, or buy a
house, although they may well have children. I agree completely with
the editorial about our toxic culture, but until our economy goes back to
generating the kinds of jobs that will support a family, it's going to keep
In many ways I liked this article. I'm all for marriage when it is entered
into with commitment on both sides (husband and wife) and with common sense or
just plain sense. It suggests a moral and responsible people.The
connections between marriage and education could be more discussed however. I
mean I don't think that marriages would increase because more people are
marking time at high school or taking higher education course; I think that is
confusing cause and effect. I woula also pose this question: do career
women, who are more likely to be enrolled in an institution of higher learning,
have less illegitimate children b'c they are more likely to use birth
control and abortions or is it because they are more moral and responsible and
not looking for a welfare check?I think that married women who stay
home, and are not career women, are more likely to help solve the economic
problems of the nation by decreasing the huge unemployed labor pool that keeps
wages down, provided of course that government and employers stop outsourcing
and start e-verifying that the work force is composed only of citizens and legal
I guess Ward and June Cleaver actually is a possibility and one to strive for at