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Published: Friday, Sept. 28 2012 12:00 a.m. MDT

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Kent C. DeForrest
Provo, UT

"Liberals always want somebody else to pay for their 'great' ideas."

No. Liberals merely want freedom in the context of reason, not freedom from government, which is the recurring conservative mantra. Has anyone noticed how the Republican Party in recent years has complained that government is stealing their freedoms but at the same time has become rabid about preserving the most widespread authoritarian system ever created: the network of capitalist corporations? Seems like a philosophically untenable position.

wrz
Ogden, UT

@LDS Liberal:

"It provides WELFARE - the same term used by our Church."

If the Church provides welfare, it asks recipients do something in return to pay for it, such as help with janitorial services, etc.

"And - General Welfare IS in the Constitution."

It says 'promote' the general welfare, it does not say 'provide' the general welfare.
The way you 'promote' is to encourage entrepreneurship, provide roads, bridges, airports so entrepreneurs can get their goods to and from market, enact fairness laws, test drugs and food products, keep the dollar solvent, and on and on. It does not say take the profits from the producers and write a welfare check each month to the lazy and indolent.

"So you and your sweet hubby will recieve Social Security and Medicare under General Welfare, not Charity from the mean old nasty Government."

SS and Medicare are paid for mostly by the recipient either in the form of payroll taxes during working years or premiums at retirement.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

"Ditto... about Democrats. Notice the number of 'like' gold stars for 'anti-Romney' posts. My guess is, these guys sit home in front of their computers making/agreeing to snide comments about Romney while waiting for the postman to deliver their welfare checks."

Right. Because working folks don't have access to computers or the Internet on their phones? Another example of repubs completely out of touch. Gaining access to the Dnews is quite simple. How many handouts are you taking for your farm subsidy? Just curious.

"The pro-Romney's are mostly out trying to earn a living."

Really? then why is his base, the deep south, contain the top consumers in welfare and food stamps? Clearly they aren't busy trying to earn a living. Again, another example of your clueless state.

"It says 'promote' the general welfare, it does not say 'provide' the general welfare"

Hilarious how repubs are all concerned over the definition of domestic welfare yet are completely careless when handing out billions of my hard earned taxpayer money to "spreading Democracy" throughout the ME!

Consistency is what's severely lacking in the far right. That, and being in touch with constituents.

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

L White.

As a liberal American I also do not want the government to pay for CHARITY.

STOP the tax deduction for CHARITY, religion and such.

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

L White.

Being an American is not forced upon any adult. If you choose to be an American (your choice) you are expected to pay the dues.

wrz
Ogden, UT

@The Real Maverick:

"Because working folks don't have access to computers or the Internet on their phones?"

They do... but how can you work a computer when you're busy working a job? Furthermore, when money's tight they have to cancel the internet including access on a phone to have money to pay bills. Democrats keep there YIFI so they can access GPS to locate the welfare office, check the weather o maybe come on a sunny day, and do some texting while standing in the welfare line.

"Gaining access to the Dnews is quite simple."

Not when you're using both hands picking apples.

"How many handouts are you taking for your farm subsidy? Just curious."

There's alotta poor farmers who'd be broke if not for farm subsidies.

"Really? then why is his base, the deep south, contain the top consumers in welfare and food stamps?"

Because Obama has failed them miserably with job creation.

"Consistency is what's severely lacking in the far right. That, and being in touch with constituents."

Well, it's certainly true, that, if you hand out alotta welfare you'll get more constituents. Democrats have this angle down pat.

boxerdog915
Clearfield, UT

Everyone needs to read The Communist Manafesto...

Karl Marx said his manifesto was "ideas for how the capitalist society of the time would eventually be replaced by socialism, and then eventually communism."

Capitalism = freedom to wealth

Redistribution of wealth = Communism

That should be enough said!

J Thompson
SPRINGVILLE, UT

It's as if some Americans can't understand English. They either refuse to read the Constitution or they treat is as if it were written in a foreign language and that they have lost the dictionary.

General Welfare does not equal personal welfare.

Article 1, Section 8 enumerates the GENERAL WELFARE duties of Congress and limits Congress to ONLY act on those duties. All other duties are left to the States or to the people.

Section 8 is one sentence long. It ends by giving Congress the authority to perform those foregoing duties AUTHORIZED listed in Section 8.

When we can't even agree on WHAT authority Congress has, how can we ever agree on HOW to perform those duties?

Some totally ignore the Constitution as they try to convince us that somehow we have given them authority to define for us some other constitution and that we have allowed them to bind us to their corrupted thinking.

Social Security, Medicare, Obamacare, student loans, and most of the other nonsense being foisted on us are not enumerated duties of Congress.

The pied piper may sing his tune and dance his jig, but that doesn't change the Constitution.

Joe Moe
Logan, UT

wrz, you ask who is doing the funneling to the top? For a more complete description, I'll refer you to the book The Price of Inequality. The gist, which is obvious once you think about it, and once you see the data on the wealth the 1% are raking in EVEN in a huge recession, is this: those with the gold make the rules, and they fashion the rules such that they can rake in more wealth. In other words, our political system is complicit, being bought and manipulated by big money, to hold up a broken form of capitalism.

Biggest poster child: the finance industry. All wealth must necessarily be originally created from natural resources and building of products. The finance industry, for the most part, has simply sucked money into itself without producing an iota of wealth itself. Net loss on our economy. When capitalism is a healthy zero-sum game, and we add in the wealth from resources, there is net gain. But when capitalism is manipulated and becomes broken like it has in recent years, it is a negative-sum game. Net loss...while those at the top walk away with the golden goose.

Anti Bush-Obama
Washington, DC

Tax cuts need to go to the middle class. Bother parties like stealing from the middle class. the GOP and DNC should be considered enemies of the middle class.

cjb
Bountiful, UT

If wealth were distributed such that the top 1% didn't end up with 1/3 of the income before taxes, the need for government to redistribute it would be reduced.

cjb
Bountiful, UT

If income were distributed more appropriately in the first place, the need to redistribute it would lessen.

Paul in MD
Montgomery Village, MD

As a conservative, I believe it falls to the government to provide some form of safety net for the poor, because no one else has stepped up to fill that role completely and reliably. I don't look at that as redistribution, I look at that as a necessary government service.

But Social Security was not intended to be a full-fledged retirement plan. It was a safety net, for those who lived beyond the average life expectancy into those years where it became very difficult to work any longer.

Most conservatives would love to rework Social Security, but they don't dare because people have come to expect this retirement assistance from the Federal government, and would vote out of office anyone who tries to fix SS. It has gone from being a safety net to redistribution of wealth, at least for many of its recipients.

Full disclosure - my father and step-mother receive SS, as does my step-brother (fully handicapped). My step-father receives vet benefits for his service in Vietnam, for which he received a few medals and a lifetime of PTSD and Agent Orange disabilities.

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