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Published: Friday, Sept. 28 2012 12:00 a.m. MDT

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JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

I am really sick of hearing the term "redistribution of wealth"

If one is to listen to the GOP talking points, you would think that the wealth just haven't got a chance.

In reality, the wealth has been steadily funneling to the top. That is undeniable. And it has been happening for a long time. And it has continued to happen during Obamas term.

If the money was steadily moving the opposite way, you may have a case.

But, unless you think it is just not happening fast enough, the numbers don't support the GOP redistribution claims.

Tell me, when the system is structured so that the wealth moves to the top, is THAT considered "redistribution"?

Curmudgeon
Salt Lake City, UT

It's pretty simple, really. Conservatives favor redistribution of wealth from the bottom up, while liberals favor redistribution from the top down. What's disingenuous is that the Republicans try to disguise their brand of redistribution as trickle DOWN economics that's good for the lower classes, when it is just the opposite. What's unfortunate is that their preferred direction of flow has won out over the last three decades. Just ask Warren Buffett. Just look at the growing gap in wealth distribution between the Mitt Romneys of the world and the rest of us.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

What is the value of an education if one doesn't USE it?

Veterans have EARNED their services by serving this country. Those authorized costs are paid by a grateful America, just as we willingly pay for defense.

FDR started Social Security. FDR started the "food stamp program" (Food Surplus Commodities Corporation). (In 1959, Eisenhower opposed it. In 1961, Kennedy reimplimented it with vouchers.) He was a Democrat.

Unemployment benefits were forced on the states in 1935 as part of the Social Security Act. (FDR again.) Obama doesn't count anyone unemployed whose benefits have run out.

LBJ started Medicare. He was a Democrat.

Obama levied the largest tax increase in America's history on the lower and middle class with Obamacare. He is a Democrat.

Reid refused to allow the Senate consider an Republican budget. He is a Democrat.

Even a 5th grader can search out the facts and clearly see that all major unauthorized programs were initiated by Democrats. That same 5th grader can also clearly see that the current Democrat administration has doubled the deficit in just four years.

The Democrats OWN redistribution. Of course, they will try to pass the blame - as usual.

one old man
Ogden, UT

What is happening in the campaigns now is simply nauseating. On both sides. But the influence of big money from those corporate "people" funneling it through their PACS is beyond nauseating. It's criminal.

Repeal Citizens United!

RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

Republicans favor redistribution of wealth from the poor to the wealthy.

That's evidenced by their evisceration of consumer protection laws, letting credit card companies charge exhorbitant interest rates and making it practically impossible to discharge that debt through bankruptcy. All the while, letting the "people", that means corporations, restructure any time they want.

The poor can just suffer. It's the GOP way.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

To hear liberals tell it, the government paved the golden highway travelled by Mormon Pioneers. Obama thinks that the government planted the fields and built the cities for the Mormons and that the government erected the temples. Liberals would have us think that the government furnished the wagons and handcarts and that the government eradicated the crickets. According to that fanciful "history", James Buchanan, a Democrat, never sent troops into "Mexican territory" to handle the "Mormon Problem".

The truth is that liberals twist facts to suit their needs. Redistribution is a Democrat philosophy. It is not allowed by the Constitution, but that didn't stop FDR, LBJ and Obama. It doesn't matter that redistribution destroys jobs, as long as it puts more people on welfare so that they know to look to Washington for their sustenance.

Anyone who has ever started a business knows that redistribution is STEALING from the workers and giving to the idle. What a great business concept. Pay people to NOT work. Pay them to be idle. Destroy all initiative. Destroy all incentive.

No wonder Obama has increased the deficit by $5 TRILLION dollars. His plan for idleness is working.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

Yes Mike,

We know that you think that if only we would elect all republicans the US would be in perfect harmony again. The deficit would be non-existent and we would have full employment. Gays would have never been "invented" and government could be run by the church.

Dang democrats.

Mick Stupp
Happy Valley, UT

Mike,

Please stay on topic. What on earth does the Utah War have to do with this letter or the notion that Republicans also support a certain amount of redistribution? Your constitutional rants are getting more and more irrational.

Noodlekaboodle
Salt Lake City, UT

@Mike R.
Unless you receive an equal benefit from the taxes you pay isn't that a redistribution of wealth? Let's be fair, neither the D's and the R's are trying to totally eliminate taxes. Regardless of who implemented SS and Medicare it's not like the republicans are trying to eliminate these programs. Neither party will cut tax breaks to farm and oil companies. Unless you believe that all services should be paid by usage meaning no public roads, pay a fee to utilize fire and police services, pay the military to defend your home, etc. Then you also believe in redistribution of wealth.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

Where did the idea that we should only have to pay tax based on what we, and we alone, recieved from government come from? We one society of 300 million, not 300 million societies of one.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

Haha!

Look at how the repubs rush like flies onto garbage when one of their base philosophies, redistribution of wealth from the poor to the rich, is attacked.

Great letter.

Anything that stirs repubs to attack you and your views is a good thing for America in my view. Under repub rule we've seen the disappearance of the middle-class, trillions of dollars racked up in failed tax cut policies which haven't created jobs, and we've seen the record profits for the 1 % while the rest of us suffer.

Can't wait for Obama to win once again in November. And for a message to be sent to the GOP. CHANGE if you WISH to remain relevant in America.

Come back in touch with your REAL constituents, not just big banks, oil companies, and CEOs with Swiss Bank Accounts.

wrz
Ogden, UT

@JoeBlow:

"In reality, the wealth has been steadily funneling to the top."

And just who's doing the funneling?

"But, unless you think it is just not happening fast enough, the numbers don't support the GOP redistribution claims."

Socialism was not built in a day... It takes years, and more people such as Obama.

"Tell me, when the system is structured so that the wealth moves to the top, is THAT considered 'redistribution?'"

No. It's called hard work... It's considered getting off your duff, getting out the door, and getting to work, instead of waiting for the mailman to deliver your welfare check. That's how wealth is created. That's what this country is all about. That's what our Founding Fathers had in mind. Everyone pulls their weight. Of course there's a need for a safety net for the less fortunate such as the sick and otherwise incapacitated. But, we need to have folks quit complaining and quit expecting the government to take care of them from cradle to grave by taking from those who work and giving it to those who play.

Henderson
Orem, UT

"Socialism was not built in a day... It takes years, and more people such as Obama."

And by folks like Bush and Mike Lee.

Who signed TARP?

Who insists on tax cuts for the rich?

Who is protecting banks, wall street, and big oil?

Who is insisting on an increase of defense spending as a way to "stimulate the economy?" Lee won't let us shut down Hill Air Force Base. That's Socialism. Shut down that base and let the workers find jobs in the private sector. IF they can't find jobs, then go back to school. OR start your own business.

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Money is simply the media that we use to exchange the wealth that we create for the wealth that others create. Money is to the economy of a society as blood is to our bodies. Our blood picks up things from some organs and gives it to other organs. If we stop the circulation (redistribution) of either the blood or the money, the entity will die.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Redistribution of Wealth:

Democrats vs.
Republicans
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$ to Military Veterans Hospital Complex,
$ to Military Industrial Complex,

Striving to alleviate the Poor, Sick, Needy & elderly.
Striving to eliminate the Poor, Sick, Needy, & elderly

Aid for American Nation Building
Aid for Foreign Nation Building

Giving Heating Oil $ to the poor
Giving Billions $ to Oil Companies just because

Protecting the Earth for future generations benefit
Exploiting the Earth to benefit profit generations.

Food Stamps for the hungry
Food Subsidizes for the Farmers

Hand outs to actual Persons
Hand outs to Corporate Personhoods

Take from the haves, give to the have-nots.
Take from the haves, give to the have-mores

I could go on and on, but therein lies the difference.

Mad Hatter
Provo, UT

One party wants to tax to benefit society as a whole. The other party wants to decrease taxes for the wealthy so they can decide if and where to spend their money.

The difficulty for the former is in seeking the proper balance between generating revenue and the developing/maintaining the programs considered a "benefit" to society. The latter see only the need to keep the upper class "upper". Of course, these "upper" people love certain government programs as long as they themselves benefit the most. There are those programs they like, but they prefer to employ the credit card since they don't like taxes on themselves. They want the "little people" to pay for it because there are more of them and, therefore, benefit more.

It's the old, medieval mindset of the landowning class and the peasants. Since peasants worked the land, paid taxes and supported the landowning class, it is clear to all that that is the way it should be. The privledged are "entitled" by historical precedent.

In one case, wealth is supposedly "redistributed" to where it does the maximum good for the society. In the other, wealth is "redistributed" upwardward as God "intended".

Wanda B. Rich
Provo, UT

It's funny how the doctrine of market triumphalism was declared dead in 2008, but somehow the Republicans just didn't get the memo. They keep trying to resurrect it, even though we have a long track record now to prove that funnel-up economics never really quite turns into trickle-down economics.

The corporate system we have embraced is designed to pool all wealth at the top. Government's job is to prevent this so as to preserve a civilized society. One party today sort of wants to slow down this pooling. The other party wants to make sure government speeds up the pooling process.

Amazing that Utah Mormons, with their history of communitarian economics and scriptural commands to achieve economic equality, are more devoted than any group this side of Wall Street in their efforts to achieve the exact opposite. They have enshrined economic freedom and turned their backs on economic equality.

wrz
Ogden, UT

@The Real Maverick:

"Look at how the repubs rush like flies onto garbage..."

Ditto... about Democrats. Notice the number of 'like' gold stars for 'anti-Romney' posts. My guess is, these guys sit home in front of their computers making/agreeing to snide comments about Romney while waiting for the postman to deliver their welfare checks. The pro-Romney's are mostly out trying to earn a living.

@Wanda B. Rich:

"... even though we have a long track record now to prove that funnel-up economics never really quite turns into trickle-down economics."

Have you tried trickle-up economics? Did you ever get a job from a poor person?

"The corporate system we have embraced is designed to pool all wealth at the top."

The corporate system is designed to maximize profits for shareholders.

"Government's job is to prevent this so as to preserve a civilized society."

The government's job is to provide the atmosphere for entrepreneurship (jobs creation) to succeed.

"Amazing that Utah Mormons, with their history of communitarian economics..."

They discovered early on that concepts like the United Order don't work. Encourages free-loading, looking for handouts without contributing to their upkeep.

L White
Springville, UT

Why do liberals want the government to pay for CHARITY? Where in the Constitution is government charged with being a church and giving to the POOR?

Liberals always want somebody else to pay for their "great" ideas. If those ideas are so great, why aren't they willing to pay for them out of their own pockets. God invited us to be charitable. Lucifer demanded, by using force, that his idea of "charity" would control our lives.

Does the government invite or does it force? The Obamacare TAX is NOT an invitation. Those who refuse that "summons" will be fined or jailed.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

L White
Springville, UT
Why do liberals want the government to pay for CHARITY? Where in the Constitution is government charged with being a church and giving to the POOR?

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Government does not provide Charity.
It provides WELFARE - the same term used by our Church.

And - General Welfare IS in the Constitution.

So you and your sweet hubby will recieve Social Security and Medicare under General Welfare, not Charity from the mean old nasty Government.
And you aren't FORCED to take it.
You can always not apply for that "sin" money.

Oh and BTW - Tithing is NOT Charity, there's other little boxes like "Humanitarian Aid", "Fast Offerings" and "Pertetual Education" - those are Charity....and I know most LDS are not paying 10% to any of hose.

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