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Published: Wednesday, Sept. 26 2012 7:31 p.m. MDT

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atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@utahcountyute
"Wasn't it Sunday when the Utes finally beat the cougs for the 3rd time anyway?"

Nah, that final field goal attempt was at 11:58pm. We had to storm the field a few times just to stall long enough to make sure BYU knew they couldn't fit overtime in before midnight.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@mlh

Did you post that right after complaining to the censors about my post and getting it removed?

And no I do not "care" if utah plays on Sunday's, not one bit. It doesn't bother me at all. But it is going to be an issue for the actual fans, you know those old Mormon's that are the only true utah fans. Most of them will not attend the Sunday games and since utah already doesn't get much in the way of attendance playing on a Sunday will just make it even more sparsely attended. Believe it or not I do have friends that are utah fans and no they are not going to attend Sunday sporting events. So the reality is that this will be a detriment to the university of utah, less people will attend these events. Once again I don't really care other than it is a point of conversation.

I do find it interesting that the johny come lately utah "fans", the Mormon hater types, are celebrating this. Just shows there is a real divide between actual utah fans and these utah "fans".

SpaceCowboy69
Syracuse, UT

As Mormon U fans like to point out, The U is the "School of the Prophets". They must be so proud right about now.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@utahcountyute

BYU would not simply quit playing a game because the clock struck midnight on a Sunday morning. To do that would be the lack of integrity. What BYU will not do is purposely schedule a sporting even on a Sunday. I understand the utah "fan" desire to try and spin that as hypocrisy but it isn't. It is simply BYU fullfilling their obligation.

Everyone realizes that things do not always go as planned and that the right thing to do in those situations is to simply finish the gae then go home, get some sleep, and get up the next morning and honor the sabbath.

I agree that the university of utah is not a religious institution and is not hld to the same standard as BYU. But I also understand that a significant protion of the utah fanbase does hold themselves personally to the same standards BYU holds itself to and playing on Sunday is not something they want to have happen. If utah is required to then so be it, they understand, but most of them won't attend. That is simply a reality.

Cowboy Dude
SAINT GEORGE, UT

TroyTown "When have the lapdogs of the PAC ever stood up to the conference on anything?"

Wait a minute. Last year the Des New comments were up in arms about Utah playing football during General Conference Saturday Night. This year Dr. Hill got his request to have USC play Utah on Thursday!

You guys just won't be happy until the Utes don't play Gen Conference weekend, Sundays, Family Nights, Mutual night, or during Relief Society.

JohnInSLC
Cottonwood Heights, UT

"Lots of clueless Utah fans on here whining about "holier than thou" comments, while failing to understand the significance of excluding half of Utah's fan base from attending Sunday home games on the hill"

Pacman:

Look who's suddenly so concerned for the Utah fan base!

Sorry, it's either "holier-than-thou" or hypocrisy (thanks for your contribution) for Y-ners commenting on this. Take your pick.

sammyg
Springville, UT

Cowboy Dude

Point taken BUT you are stretching this further than the current issue of Sunday play.

The issue is not about "you guys won't be happy..." it's about respecting the beliefs of others and in this case it's about a sizable representation of the total fan base of Utah which so happens to be LDS.

If Utah had an 'intolerant' organized religious group known for occasional violence and outspoken vehement rhetoric then I'm sure a different decision would have been made but since it is LDS students I'm sure the PAC 12 just said "we'll just go ahead and shove it down their throats. That will send a nice subliminal message as to our feelings about religion in Utah."

I'm sure as LDS members begin to reflect on this and others that some will come to a decision to move from U of U and attend elsewhere.

What a shame that an institution that was created to serve the very society and community that surrounds it has now started down this path of disenfranchisement of a majority of its population.

Totally unnecessary.

Utah is becoming the "Lapdogs of the PAC"

MLH
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

BYU fans

When these games were scheduled I gurantee that religion had not one thing to do with it. Utah is in the PAC12 and if all the other teams in the conference are playing on Sunday why would anybody think that the U should be excempt from playing.

What makes any of you think that Dr Hill can call up and say, it's ok for the other eleven teams to play on Sunday but please don't add us into any of that type of scheduling. The University of Utah is part of the PAC12 and the PAC12 play's on Sunday's. It's not a sell=out to the mighty dollar it is being part of a non-secular, state owned school. We live in Utah but we are also part of the big picture of being part of organiztions,corporations, and other religions that are in the United Sttes of America.

I once was in management with a very large golf retailer, I had to worked Sunday's that was a part of my life. It is wrong to Judge here fellas, it is part of the REAL WORLD life does go on, Sunday's

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@mlh

You're missing the point, I think on purpose. Sure the pac12 plays on Sunday's but if it is really interested in maximizing the attendance at the games for every institution in its conference, and if it really cares about the values of the fanbase of each school in its conference, then why not make allowances for that school?

Do these games have to be played on a Sunday? Of course not, they can be scheduled on a different day. The pac12 does not have a regular Friday/Sunday or Sunday/Tuesday basketball schedule so it isn't like they have to do this.

And utah doesn't have to just accept it although I don't know that they did. chris hill very well may have requested no Sunday games and the pac12 overlords may very well have told him to shut up, sit down, and take what he is given. We'll never know the answer to that.

But it is certainly not going to help utah's already extremely poor attendance. That's the real point you seem to be trying so hard to pretend doesn't exist.

4601
Salt Lake City, UT

chaliceman, Thankfully, BYU is not rushing to abandon its values for a few bucks. They will never be in the pac-12 until the pack changes its values. Academics? utah is ranked 350 in the ACT scores of incoming freshman which is below Utah State. The pac-12 banner is not large enough to cover utah's average status.

Dennis
Harwich, MA

This has nothing to do with "Religion". Seriously, keep your testimonies of the "Sabbath" to yourselves.

Utah Alum
Orem, UT

Dennis

Who are you kidding?

For the Utah LDS fan base, the Utes scheduling home games on the Sabbath is ALL about religion when in comes to those fans deciding whether or not to attend those games.

Bluto
Sandy, UT

Aside from all the religious banter, this is just bad marketing, and shows just how Utah ranks with the Pac 12 brass.

Utah has no choice, the Pac tells them how high to jump and they must say, how high?

This is why BYU is where it should be and Utah has landed where they fit best.
BYU isn't ever going to leave the WCC for these very reasons and unless the Big East or Big 12 make concessions to BYU, then they won't take their football out of Independence either.

The attendance at Utah Basketball is a moot point. The Huntsman has been empty for years and nothing will change that in the near or distant future.

BYU has been stomping Utah in recruiting the local LDS kids since the U fired Judkins.
It's called the "Curse of the Juddy".
100 years of Utah Basketball wandering in the wilderness.

This policy will assure that Utah continues to lose the prized LDS Utah recruits.

Let's not get into a lengthy discussion as to how many steps one can take on the Sabbath. The Sabbabth was made for man, man was not made for the Sabbath.

WACPaddingOurSchedule
pocatello, ID

4601
Salt Lake City, UT
chaliceman, Thankfully, BYU is not rushing to abandon its values for a few bucks. They will never be in the pac-12 until the pack changes its values. Academics? utah is ranked 350 in the ACT scores of incoming freshman which is below Utah State. The pac-12 banner is not large enough to cover utah's average status.

__________

Values? Interesting comment. Just what are BYUs values now, especially chasing the money of its ESPN contract.

You are selectively leaving out information to bolster your claim. There are many more academic and research reasons why Utah is in the Pac 12.

WACPaddingOurSchedule
pocatello, ID

Why do BYU fans point fingers at Utah fans over Sunday games?
Not one of you is critical of Jimmer the bench warmer Fredette playing on Sundays. And BYU alumni playing in the NFL.

MLH
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Bluto

I guess your Sabbath is everyones Sabbath.

"The attendance at Utah Basketball is a moot point. The Huntsman has been empty for years and nothing will change that in the near or distant future." You don't have to go back to far to say the same thing about byu.

Bad marketing, it goes without saying that none, I mean none of you people realize that Utah is part of a conference they are part of a bigger picture. I wonder why all of you think that the U should be exempt form playing Sunday's while the other 11 are playing. Yes we may loose some fans those days, yes we have a long way to go. We are part of the PAC12, we play in the PAC12, we now play on Sunday's (not just basketball), we do have a large base of LDS Ute fans but the school is not LDS owned. And to duck, Utah does not have to accept it they are part of the PAC12 Sunday play is not for the Y, but is now standard for the University of Utah, and we are going to have to learn how to live with it.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@mlh

I probably didn't phrase that very well. Yes I understand utah has to do what they are told so they do have to "accept" it. What I meant was they can at least make their feelings known and it doesn't appear that they are willing to even say anything about it.

But you are definately correct, they have no choice, they have no power or pull, they have nothing. They simply must do as ordered. I just find it interesting that the conference would insist on this when they know it will hurt attendence at utah home games. It is almost as if they are flipping off the Mormon utah fans. They could easily make it so that any Sunday games utah plays are road games and home games are not on Sundays other than under extreme circumstances.

I just find it very peculiar that the pac12 would insist on forcing this onto utah when it is obviously detrimental to them. It simply confirms to me that utah was just brought in as filler and not considered an equal at all.

NightOwlAmerica
SALEM, OR

Duckhunter said:

".....I just find it very peculiar that the pac12 would insist on forcing this onto utah when it is obviously detrimental to them. It simply confirms to me that utah was just brought in as filler and not considered an equal at all."

You call force a pair of games on Sunday? Oh geeeeeeeez.

Duckhunter. Don't you have anything to say about the BYU / ESPN contract?
I would like to know why BYU fans like yourself support a company that works on Sundays. And takes advertising money from companies that encourage buying alcohol.

Do tell, is that in line with BYU values and the mission of the church?

sammyg
Springville, UT

WacPaddled by USU

Jimmer's is a personal choice, not a university that either kowtowed to PAC12 wishes or sat silently and allowed the beliefs of half its student population to be disrespected.

Huge difference.

Anyone with even a hint of respect towards others could work out some arrangement to avoid scheduling these games on Sunday.

alternate
Salt Lake City, UT

Cowboy Dude gave out some incorrect information. He basically said that Dr Hill moved the Utah/USC game to Thursday night to resolve the LDS General Conference Saturday night issue. He then went on to make a few mean spirited comments about the LDS church.

Lets set the record straight here. The U/USC game was selected by ESPN and moved to Thursday night as part of the PAC12/ESPN contract. This is one of the bigger games in the PAC12 and I am sure it was high on ESPN's list of games to choose to as part of their PAC12 agreement for their Thursday night national game.

The rest of his comments about "you guys won't be happy" were disappointing to me in that he feels he must say those things about LDS members, especially those that are devout Utah fans. There are many Utah fans who choose to be LDS who feel bad when scheduling conflicts occur. They also feel bad when they read mean spirited comments directed at them and/or their religion.

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