This is sad however with attendance at the HC at record lows maybe its not as
bad as it sounds?
I doubt it will even matter. No one goes to the hc for games anyway unless BYU
If a basketball is played and no one is there to watch it, was there really a
Sports is the predominant religion in Utah and America. The NBA has no problem
with Sunday games in Utah. Neither do the loyal fans. The Energy Solutions arena
does just fine on Sunday.
How could they?I hear they also sell Dr. Pepper.
This is exactly the reason BYU was not, and never will be invited to the PAC12.
This is just the beginning of the end...
The silence at these games should be great examples of the reverence that should
be evident at places of worship throughout the state. The U should be thanked
for setting such standards of religious observance
This should be a real concern for Hill and K2. Attendance could drop from 2,000
to 1,000 severely affecting the revenue of the school.
not a big deal, it will be fun to watch my utes play after church on the PAC 12
Network! (unless it interferes with a Football game.)Go Utes
And we thought that just winning 6 games last year was a low point.
Larry Miller tried to avoid Sunday HOme games in the Delta Center. Could not
control playoffs though. Other things of his stayed open. HC probably
won't be as packed.
It doesn't matter...no one goes anyways
Possibly Utah's sporting events will help bring this state into the 21st
Century. We are a laughing stock of the nation with our parochial attitudes and
values. Not only are these values out of synch with national norms, they are
not observed by most anyway which opens the doors to judgements of hypocrisy
adding to the laughter.
This is not new at the U. Last seaon, several of the women games in mulitple
sports and a few baseball games were played on Sunday. What is sad is the
hateful comments by some of the posters about religion and BYU. All the talk a
couple of years back about Utah and Colorado being added to the PAC but not BYU
because of academics and other stuff like that was simply blue smoke hiding this
real reason. Balan is right, BYU will never be in a conference where they would
be forced to play Sunday games. What he/she should have also said it is
BYU's choice. He is also right, they never will, again their choice.Chaliceman is also right in his/her comment, but I personally am not
sure that a godless society where the world is headed is good. Not sure one
always has "to be in sync with national norms" if it means compromising
one's values just so you can belong.
Why does it matter? Nobody attends utah basketball games anyway.
College of Idaho? What, was Northwest Nazarene booked?
Brilliant idea, go ahead and alienate half of your fan base when you are already
struggling with attendance. It is a good thing that we have such insane amounts
of TV revenue coming in the near future, and yes, it will be a net positive even
with declining attendance, but it kind of shafts the loyal fans.Larry Miller had the guts to influence the NBA to not have the Jazz play at
the ESA on sundays very often. Too bad Chris Hill's guts are not similarly
Ain't freedom of choice a wonderful thing? God has given us no better gift
than that. Those members of the state's dominant faith who want to honor
the Sabbath can choose to stay home and not go, and those who opted not to are
free to do as they please. God will judge us in the end but in the meantime we
are free to enjoy life as we please. For me, I'm content to be on the
Lord's side, and it won't bother me one bit, nor would I care to pass
judgment on others of my faith who many choose to do otherwise. To each his
own, and that's exactly the beauty of God's gift of free agency to us
and the way He wants and intended it to be.Good luck to the Utes!
And go Cougars!
Not like anyone did not see this coming. You can still be a Utes
fan and not attend the game. If I were in SLC and had season tickets these would
go unused. But I would be at the other games win or lose. A fan is a fan. Maybe they should have an area conference at the HC just prior.
Concessions may suffer but at least someone would be there. Get used
to it Ute fans. It will only get worse. Too bad a compromise could not have
been reached.Hope the Utes do better this next year. Guess it could
not get much worse.
What about the LDS players? will they be forced to play on Sunday? It
isn't a job. Well, just another reason while active LDS atheletes should
attend the Y (Not claiming the the Y or the students are perfect). Who wants to be in the PAC 12, 16, or 37 anyway? One bastion of liberal bias
is pretty much like another.
Krystkowiak said. "I know one game is at 7 at night and there's not a
whole lot of other things going on Sunday night other than '60
Minutes.' So hopefully we can get them in there."This shows
just how clueless Krystkowiak is about LDS standards when it comes to attending
athletic contests on the Sabbath. The dismal attendance at the HC will be even
more dismal for those Sunday home games.
Jonathan Eddy"Sports is the predominant religion in Utah and
America. The NBA has no problem with Sunday games in Utah. Neither do the loyal
fans. The Energy Solutions arena does just fine on Sunday."You're obviously just making stuff up, because the Jazz play very few
Sunday home games during the regular season.
Haha. Not smart, it's the Sabath. Are best team and best player ever makes
it all the way to the sweet Sixteen.
The usual suspects on here first spouting "love" for the program they
aspire to be.If you sign up for college athletics, you should plan
on either practicing or playing some games on Sunday. All athletes who are at
the collegiate level dream and aspire to play on Sunday whether it's
football, basketball or golf. And they ARE being paid to play. Do you think
scholarships are actually FREE?Coach K is doing things the right way
and I can see things improving. Go Utes!
Very disappointing. This Mormon Ute season-ticket holder will not be attending
The issue people have here are with the Utes, not Sunday play. I don't hear
people being this dramatic when the Bees play one of their 25 Sunday home games.
utahcountyuteNice dodge, but this is an article about Utah not
having the guts to fight for a little consideration for a significant portion of
its fan base.------------"Coach K is doing things
the right way and I can see things improving."The only reason
Utes have a chance of winning 10 games this season is because coach "k"
scheduled the most cupcake OOC schedule in the entire country. There are high
school teams in Utah that could win 10 games playing Utah's schedule, and
that's not just a bunch of hyperbole.
It is very difficult to get good teams to come to Utah for pre-conference games.
BYU struggles also. But BYU will at least pay teams decent money to come and
also do home and home games with them, some at the ESA. Utah puts its money
into football and thus they are at a disadvantage in even trying to schedule
decent teams to come. Wins may give one confidence but you still get a real
slap in the face when conference play begins. As for Sunday play, no surprise,
everyone makes their choices and lives with the consequences.
PAC 12 commissioner will be shocked when he will find out how empty this hc
going to be. This will be interesting. Stanford and Arizona going to feel like
their home field advantage.
johnnyjingle: bees are not a state run entitychalicemanSalt Lake
City, UTPossibly Utah's sporting events will help bring this state
into the 21st Century. We are a laughing stock of the nation with our parochial
attitudes and values. Not only are these values out of synch with national
norms, they are not observed by most anyway which opens the doors to judgements
of hypocrisy adding to the laughter.i don't beleive you have ever
lived outside of slc. no one cares what is taking place in utah let alone laugh
at it. i have lived in the south and northeast. i have NEVER heard anything
close to what you are saying. another made up story. lol
@UTE ALUMNI - So since the U is a state run entity, they should conform to the
standards of a local religion? Nice try.If you don't support
events on Sunday, then don't go. There will be plenty of people there to
take your place.
Tough non-conference schedule this year! Prediction #1- the Utes
will win more games this year than last. It certainly helps when I've
never even heard of 10 of their NC opponents.Prediction #2- Dec.
8th: BYU 102, Sabbath-breakers 39.
Not a big deal. If you have a moral conflict don't go. if no conflict
exists enjoy yourself at the game.By the way, it is nice to see that usual
suspects are back sniping at the Utes. After 2 demorilizing losses they cowerd
in the corner. I am glad to see they have stepped away from the cliff.
What a shame but I guess the U got what it wanted, more money. Not sure
I'd trade integrity for money, though. I wonder what the older,
predominantly Mormon segment of the U's alumni group thinks of this.
Considering how well the Utes have placed in recent seasons, Sunday play will be
inconsequential to attendance.
One more reason to choose BYU over Utah for LDS youth. What great mission prep
would it be for a future missionary to play on Sunday!
The article mentions Sunday games. The real story is the woeful condition of
Ute basketball. Those preseason teams are a joke, almost unbelievable.
Several junior college level games. And they were scheduled on purpose. One
would rather go to a Judge-Juan Diego game -- on Sunday -- than any of those.
One has to wonder about the new coach and his strategy. Are Ute
fans concerned? Do they care?
@Freight TrainI almost chocked laughing at the sabbath-breakers
comment...very funny People it's basic math 1/2 of zero= 0 hope
Chris Hill at least shows up.
I for one am delighted about the Sunday games and I would welcome more. Some of
the comments on this thread are unbelievable. Please speak for yourselves and
not pronounce playing on Sunday is something evvvvviilllll. A Sunday game has
nothing to do with morality and it has nothing to with standards. Yay Sunday basketball!!!
johnnyjinglenice try which religion states that sports should be plaed on
sunday? jews, christians and muslims have a holy day. are christians a local
religion? your lame aurgument can be if you don't like it here go somewhere
that plays on sundays...... goodbye
Seems to me there is a lot of over reaction to the fact that 1 or 2 home games a
year will be on Sunday. The Bronco fans that are LDS don't have an issue
attending games on Sunday and suspect the Utes will be fine as well. For those
U fans that don't believe it is proper to attend a sport event on Sunday
there are options that were discussed in the article and the U respects your
personal choice. While much of the fan base is LDS, the school isn't and
there is no reason not to play Sunday games.
More classic hypocracy from BYU fans.Jimmer the bench warmer Fredette
plays on Sunday. You have no problem turning on ESPN or TBS to watch him either.
Recruiting in Utah just got a whole lot harder...
chaliceman"Possibly Utah's sporting events will help bring
this state into the 21st Century."Sorry chaliceman, but I
don't recall ever seeing an expiration date on the Ten Commandments;
whether you choose to keep them or not is your choice, but there's nothing
"21st Century" about them.Unfortunately for U, many Utah
fans aren't even sensitive enough to respect the beliefs held by a large
segment of their own fan base.That's just sad.
CO Ute"While much of the fan base is LDS, the school isn't
and there is no reason not to play Sunday games."As long as you
don't care whether half of your staunchest supporters can't attend the
I'm not surprised that 95% of the "Tsk, Tsk" comments are from
Y-ners. That must be what they teach in Y "fan" basic
training, how to confess the Utes' perceived sins for them. You all get
"A" in Holier-Than-Thou 101.
I watch BYU players in the NFL and NBA playing on Sunday all the time. I guess
if you get paid to play, you get a free pass. What a concept. As far as Utah
goes, I'm sure the $20 mill/year TV contract will off set any
"I watch BYU players in the NFL and NBA playing on Sunday all the time. I
guess if you get paid to play, you get a free pass."Spokane
Ute:Perhaps there are so few former cougs in the pros, it's
easy for the Y-ners to forget about them.
Chris Hill, just say it and save the mumbo-jumbo. Money rules. People are less
than excited about the 2012-13 hoops season anyway.
This will definitely lower the attendance of those games.
@ JohninSLCGreat Point!
Utah knew going into the PAC that they would have to play some games on Sunday,
so I don't know what the big deal is with this announcement. More
important is the pathetic non-conference schedule and the almost as bad
conference schedule. After so many dominant UCLA and Arizona teams years ago and
a few so-so Stanford and UCLA teams lately, the PAC has become almost irrelevant
in basketball. Only the most die-hard fans would show up for games, particularly
those played at the HC, regardless of when they are played. God gives us our
free agency--those who believe that the Sabbath is holy and that proper
observance is to not attend sporting events won't go. Those who
don't share that belief but who don't want to waste their money
watching a really bad basketball team will have the perfect excuse to stay home.
I don't think Sunday play will be a problem for Utah. I don't know
how many active LDS even support Utah probably less than 20%. Utah fans are
mostly non-lds and less active LDS that will show up on Sunday games.
You must be kidding to think the U has only 20% LDSer fans. The U and its alums
are mostly LDS, and they love the school. You way underrepresent the amount of
Mormons and their influence at the U. And, for the record, the U
did not sell its soul to become a PAC10 member. There are far worse things
than a few sporting events on Sunday.
LonestarWhat am I dodging?Utah is a state school, not a
church school. The school has never said they will not play on Sunday. You sign
up, you play. Pretty simple.Love the concern from the "fans"
of the team that lost on Sunday in football.
With the attendance they have, this probably won't hurt too much. There
isn't much difference from an empty gym and an almost gym.
As Utah gets back to their powerhouse status again, Sunday games will be even
more commonplace. Can't wait!
utahcountyuteAs a state school, Utah can play whenever the Utes
choose to play.From a marketing point of view, it's just plain
DUMB to schedule games for a time when you know that half your fan base
can't attend.However, it's shortsighted and insensitive of
Utah to turn a blind eye to the concerns of its own fan base.
Just another example why no conference wants the Cougars!!! Like the old kids
joke!!! Hertz Doughnut....Be thankful the WAC needs opponents!!
17-14 if that's the score you have to hang your hat on best of luck! Last
time I checked Utah is a state owned school, not a religious institution. If
Utah loses LDS recruits because of this I respect those recruits in their
beliefs!! I'm happy with their decision and have "true belief" in
I have read alot of people rationalizing when their standards are thrown out the
The concern isn't so much about whether or not they "play" on
Sundays. More important is, can he "get them to play" on Sundays? Or
Thursdays? Maybe on Friday nights, or possibly Saturday afternoons? How about on
Wednesdays? Alternating Tuesdays? The third Monday of every month?
You know what's interesting, is all of these BYU "fans" jumping in
on this article on the Utes, and condemning the Utes for the possiblilty of
playing on Sunday. This, from a fan base who constantly derides Utah---a
state-owned school---for playing a few games on Sunday. As hard as this might
be for some of them to understand, the U is not an LDS-owned school. Like the
Utah Jazz, there will be times when they will need to compete on Sunday.
I'm sure it will only be a few times/year. But to those same BYU
"fans", what about Steve Young, Danny Ainge, Ty Detmer, Vai Sikahema
etc.? Where was your criticism against all of those former BYU alums who
competed on Sunday?Playing on Sunday is not ideal here in this
state, but for a few times each year, that is what Utah, just like the Jazz,
will need to do. It's the price, I guess, for playing in a prominent
conference as opposed to trying to strike out on their own as an
"independent" and not being sure if they can even fulfill a full 12-game
That's what happens when you join a conference oriented squarely on the
It's not surprising that some of my fellow Utah fans would fail to
understand the real issue isn't whether or not it's okay to play on
Sunday, it's the lack of respect from Utah and the PAC 12 to schedule games
on Sunday AT Utah, KNOWING that a significant portion of Utah fans won't be
able to attend because their privately held religious convictions.
Lots of byU "fans" on here posting holier than thou like comments. Kinda
funny when 99% are watching NFL games and supporting players like Pitta and a
couple other byU players in the NFL as they play on Sunday. Wasn't it Sunday when the Utes finally beat the cougs for the 3rd time
anyway? I had to.
Lots of clueless Utah fans on here whining about "holier than thou"
comments, while failing to understand the significance of excluding half of
Utah's fan base from attending Sunday home games on the hill.
It's the U of U at Huntsman Center. There is no beer, no beer ads, no
suggestive ads. Doesn't sound like a bad place on Sunday.
Jonathan Eddy "The NBA has no problem with Sunday games in Utah."Actually, as a promise to the season ticket holders, only national
televised Jazz games are played on Sunday in Utah. Regional TV would not be on
Sunday.One year the floor wasn't ready and the NBA wanted the
Jazz to reschedule San Antonio to Sunday, but the Jazz said the promise held and
the game was rescheduled two months later. Dallas and Charlotte have
similar arrangements for NBA even though they have NFL Sunday.However, I stand with my prior comment, a U of U game at Huntsman is not like
going to a pro game with the beer ads and side-line dancing.
Sunday worship is an individual choice.Reminds me of 1981 when the
Cougars made it clear they would not participate in the National tourney if they
had a bracket with Sunday play. Meanwhile, the Utes had to play on Sunday at
the NCAA tournament. All of the Utes showed up for the game and
won.However, the all-star game was also on Sunday, Frank Arnold of
BYU was a coach and Danny Ainge was a key player while the invited Utes Danny
Vranes and Tom Chambers skipped the game because they weren't playing for
As a season ticket holder, I guess I can start my Sabbath at sunset Saturday
night to sunset Sunday night and go to the evening game. Are LDS people really
counting my steps on Sunday? When I was in the Middle East, they
didn't have weekends and Sunday's was just a regular day. The LDS
took the sacrament at night and observed the Sabbath on their day off.
If it was NOT on TV, I might have gone.
If I go, I better not order a cola.
CanyontrekerThank you for putting it a way people should be able to
understand. I have been unable to get a comment past the sensors. Sunday is
the day most companies(out of the state of Utah) start thier pay periods. In
other words Sunday is just another day of the week. PAC manYour attitude is exactlly "holier than thou" Utah fans have the
CHOICE of not attending. Going into this new conference Sunday play was none to
all. The only athletic team that will not play on a Sunday is the football
team. If fans do not want to go to a game, a lecture, a movie, throw a frisbee
in the park it's their CHOICE. We learned that we had that in Sunday
School. Judgemental religions and their people are ugly, IMO. I am LDS but I
do believe that we have a CHOICE and I will go to the games. I also know I am
going to go to heaven I trully believe the lord will not judge me because I went
to a Sunday basketball game.
DuckhunterIt maters to you , Or why the comment? lowlife morman
MLHThe root issue of Utah not respecting its own fans enough to push
back on the PAC 12 scheduling Sunday games in the Huntsman has NOTHING to do
with a "holier than thou" attitude by BYU fans about Sabbath worship,
but EVERYTHING to do with a complete lack of respect for the values of a
significant portion of Utah's fan base by the very institution Utah fans
SportsFanWhen have the lapdogs of the PAC ever stood up to the
conference on anything?The conference tells Utah to rollover, and
the Utes willingly oblige.
@Johnny Triumph"Not sure I'd trade integrity for money,
though."What integrity? Okay that came out wrong, but I'm
going to leave it there to give you all a laugh. I mean... it's not a
church school, Utah does not have any institutional principled stand against
Sunday play so it's not like they're violating their own
standards/ideals nor is there any national sense of standard morality being to
not play on Sundays. That's just what BYU and others institute for
themselves. It's like you're criticizing a baptist for not eating
@utahcountyute"Wasn't it Sunday when the Utes finally beat the
cougs for the 3rd time anyway?"Nah, that final field goal
attempt was at 11:58pm. We had to storm the field a few times just to stall long
enough to make sure BYU knew they couldn't fit overtime in before midnight.
@mlhDid you post that right after complaining to the censors about
my post and getting it removed?And no I do not "care" if
utah plays on Sunday's, not one bit. It doesn't bother me at all. But
it is going to be an issue for the actual fans, you know those old Mormon's
that are the only true utah fans. Most of them will not attend the Sunday games
and since utah already doesn't get much in the way of attendance playing on
a Sunday will just make it even more sparsely attended. Believe it or not I do
have friends that are utah fans and no they are not going to attend Sunday
sporting events. So the reality is that this will be a detriment to the
university of utah, less people will attend these events. Once again I
don't really care other than it is a point of conversation.I do
find it interesting that the johny come lately utah "fans", the Mormon
hater types, are celebrating this. Just shows there is a real divide between
actual utah fans and these utah "fans".
As Mormon U fans like to point out, The U is the "School of the
Prophets". They must be so proud right about now.
@utahcountyuteBYU would not simply quit playing a game because the
clock struck midnight on a Sunday morning. To do that would be the lack of
integrity. What BYU will not do is purposely schedule a sporting even on a
Sunday. I understand the utah "fan" desire to try and spin that as
hypocrisy but it isn't. It is simply BYU fullfilling their obligation. Everyone realizes that things do not always go as planned and that the
right thing to do in those situations is to simply finish the gae then go home,
get some sleep, and get up the next morning and honor the sabbath. I
agree that the university of utah is not a religious institution and is not hld
to the same standard as BYU. But I also understand that a significant protion of
the utah fanbase does hold themselves personally to the same standards BYU holds
itself to and playing on Sunday is not something they want to have happen. If
utah is required to then so be it, they understand, but most of them won't
attend. That is simply a reality.
TroyTown "When have the lapdogs of the PAC ever stood up to the conference
on anything?"Wait a minute. Last year the Des New comments were
up in arms about Utah playing football during General Conference Saturday Night.
This year Dr. Hill got his request to have USC play Utah on Thursday!You guys just won't be happy until the Utes don't play Gen
Conference weekend, Sundays, Family Nights, Mutual night, or during Relief
"Lots of clueless Utah fans on here whining about "holier than thou"
comments, while failing to understand the significance of excluding half of
Utah's fan base from attending Sunday home games on the hill"Pacman:Look who's suddenly so concerned for the Utah fan
base!Sorry, it's either "holier-than-thou" or hypocrisy
(thanks for your contribution) for Y-ners commenting on this. Take your pick.
Cowboy DudePoint taken BUT you are stretching this further than the
current issue of Sunday play.The issue is not about "you guys
won't be happy..." it's about respecting the beliefs of others and
in this case it's about a sizable representation of the total fan base of
Utah which so happens to be LDS.If Utah had an
'intolerant' organized religious group known for occasional violence
and outspoken vehement rhetoric then I'm sure a different decision would
have been made but since it is LDS students I'm sure the PAC 12 just said
"we'll just go ahead and shove it down their throats. That will send a
nice subliminal message as to our feelings about religion in Utah."I'm sure as LDS members begin to reflect on this and others that some
will come to a decision to move from U of U and attend elsewhere.What a shame that an institution that was created to serve the very society
and community that surrounds it has now started down this path of
disenfranchisement of a majority of its population.Totally
unnecessary.Utah is becoming the "Lapdogs of the PAC"
BYU fansWhen these games were scheduled I gurantee that religion had
not one thing to do with it. Utah is in the PAC12 and if all the other teams in
the conference are playing on Sunday why would anybody think that the U should
be excempt from playing.What makes any of you think that Dr Hill can
call up and say, it's ok for the other eleven teams to play on Sunday but
please don't add us into any of that type of scheduling. The University of
Utah is part of the PAC12 and the PAC12 play's on Sunday's. It's
not a sell=out to the mighty dollar it is being part of a non-secular, state
owned school. We live in Utah but we are also part of the big picture of being
part of organiztions,corporations, and other religions that are in the United
Sttes of America.I once was in management with a very large golf
retailer, I had to worked Sunday's that was a part of my life. It is wrong
to Judge here fellas, it is part of the REAL WORLD life does go on,
@mlhYou're missing the point, I think on purpose. Sure the
pac12 plays on Sunday's but if it is really interested in maximizing the
attendance at the games for every institution in its conference, and if it
really cares about the values of the fanbase of each school in its conference,
then why not make allowances for that school?Do these games have to
be played on a Sunday? Of course not, they can be scheduled on a different day.
The pac12 does not have a regular Friday/Sunday or Sunday/Tuesday basketball
schedule so it isn't like they have to do this.And utah
doesn't have to just accept it although I don't know that they did.
chris hill very well may have requested no Sunday games and the pac12 overlords
may very well have told him to shut up, sit down, and take what he is given.
We'll never know the answer to that.But it is certainly not
going to help utah's already extremely poor attendance. That's the
real point you seem to be trying so hard to pretend doesn't exist.
chaliceman, Thankfully, BYU is not rushing to abandon its values for a few
bucks. They will never be in the pac-12 until the pack changes its values.
Academics? utah is ranked 350 in the ACT scores of incoming freshman which is
below Utah State. The pac-12 banner is not large enough to cover utah's
This has nothing to do with "Religion". Seriously, keep your
testimonies of the "Sabbath" to yourselves.
DennisWho are you kidding? For the Utah LDS fan base,
the Utes scheduling home games on the Sabbath is ALL about religion when in
comes to those fans deciding whether or not to attend those games.
Aside from all the religious banter, this is just bad marketing, and shows just
how Utah ranks with the Pac 12 brass.Utah has no choice, the Pac
tells them how high to jump and they must say, how high?This is why
BYU is where it should be and Utah has landed where they fit best. BYU
isn't ever going to leave the WCC for these very reasons and unless the Big
East or Big 12 make concessions to BYU, then they won't take their football
out of Independence either.The attendance at Utah Basketball is a
moot point. The Huntsman has been empty for years and nothing will change that
in the near or distant future.BYU has been stomping Utah in
recruiting the local LDS kids since the U fired Judkins.It's called
the "Curse of the Juddy". 100 years of Utah Basketball wandering
in the wilderness.This policy will assure that Utah continues to
lose the prized LDS Utah recruits.Let's not get into a lengthy
discussion as to how many steps one can take on the Sabbath. The Sabbabth was
made for man, man was not made for the Sabbath.
4601Salt Lake City, UTchaliceman, Thankfully, BYU is not rushing to
abandon its values for a few bucks. They will never be in the pac-12 until the
pack changes its values. Academics? utah is ranked 350 in the ACT scores of
incoming freshman which is below Utah State. The pac-12 banner is not large
enough to cover utah's average status.__________Values? Interesting comment. Just what are BYUs values now, especially chasing
the money of its ESPN contract.You are selectively leaving out
information to bolster your claim. There are many more academic and research
reasons why Utah is in the Pac 12.
Why do BYU fans point fingers at Utah fans over Sunday games?Not one of
you is critical of Jimmer the bench warmer Fredette playing on Sundays. And BYU
alumni playing in the NFL.
BlutoI guess your Sabbath is everyones Sabbath."The
attendance at Utah Basketball is a moot point. The Huntsman has been empty for
years and nothing will change that in the near or distant future." You
don't have to go back to far to say the same thing about byu.Bad marketing, it goes without saying that none, I mean none of you people
realize that Utah is part of a conference they are part of a bigger picture. I
wonder why all of you think that the U should be exempt form playing
Sunday's while the other 11 are playing. Yes we may loose some fans those
days, yes we have a long way to go. We are part of the PAC12, we play in the
PAC12, we now play on Sunday's (not just basketball), we do have a large
base of LDS Ute fans but the school is not LDS owned. And to duck, Utah does
not have to accept it they are part of the PAC12 Sunday play is not for the Y,
but is now standard for the University of Utah, and we are going to have to
learn how to live with it.
@mlhI probably didn't phrase that very well. Yes I understand
utah has to do what they are told so they do have to "accept" it. What I
meant was they can at least make their feelings known and it doesn't appear
that they are willing to even say anything about it.But you are
definately correct, they have no choice, they have no power or pull, they have
nothing. They simply must do as ordered. I just find it interesting that the
conference would insist on this when they know it will hurt attendence at utah
home games. It is almost as if they are flipping off the Mormon utah fans. They
could easily make it so that any Sunday games utah plays are road games and home
games are not on Sundays other than under extreme circumstances. I
just find it very peculiar that the pac12 would insist on forcing this onto utah
when it is obviously detrimental to them. It simply confirms to me that utah was
just brought in as filler and not considered an equal at all.
Duckhunter said:".....I just find it very peculiar that the
pac12 would insist on forcing this onto utah when it is obviously detrimental to
them. It simply confirms to me that utah was just brought in as filler and not
considered an equal at all."You call force a pair of games on
Sunday? Oh geeeeeeeez.Duckhunter. Don't you have anything to
say about the BYU / ESPN contract?I would like to know why BYU fans like
yourself support a company that works on Sundays. And takes advertising money
from companies that encourage buying alcohol. Do tell, is that in
line with BYU values and the mission of the church?
WacPaddled by USUJimmer's is a personal choice, not a
university that either kowtowed to PAC12 wishes or sat silently and allowed the
beliefs of half its student population to be disrespected.Huge
difference.Anyone with even a hint of respect towards others could
work out some arrangement to avoid scheduling these games on Sunday.
Cowboy Dude gave out some incorrect information. He basically said that Dr Hill
moved the Utah/USC game to Thursday night to resolve the LDS General Conference
Saturday night issue. He then went on to make a few mean spirited comments
about the LDS church.Lets set the record straight here. The U/USC
game was selected by ESPN and moved to Thursday night as part of the PAC12/ESPN
contract. This is one of the bigger games in the PAC12 and I am sure it was
high on ESPN's list of games to choose to as part of their PAC12 agreement
for their Thursday night national game.The rest of his comments
about "you guys won't be happy" were disappointing to me in that he
feels he must say those things about LDS members, especially those that are
devout Utah fans. There are many Utah fans who choose to be LDS who feel bad
when scheduling conflicts occur. They also feel bad when they read mean
spirited comments directed at them and/or their religion.
sammygSpringville, UTWacPaddled by USUJimmer's is a
personal choice, not a university that either kowtowed to PAC12 wishes or sat
silently and allowed the beliefs of half its student population to be
disrespected.Huge difference.Anyone with even a hint of
respect towards others could work out some arrangement to avoid scheduling these
games on Sunday.________________Get real.Is not Jimmer
being disrespected by the NBA? Why did he not negotiate his contract to exclude
Sunday games?Jimmer signed an NBA contract which requires him to play on
Sunday if the Kings play. Do you think he could negotiate not playing on Sunday?
Nope. It's not a 1/2 choice. Please BYU fans. Stop twisting
this issue. Jimmer is in the same boat as Utah.
Duckhunter said:".....But you are definately correct, they have
no choice, they have no power or pull, they have nothing. They simply must do as
ordered. I just find it interesting that the conference would insist on this
when they know it will hurt attendence at utah home games. It is almost as if
they are flipping off the Mormon utah fans. They could easily make it so that
any Sunday games utah plays are road games and home games are not on Sundays
other than under extreme circumstances. I just find it very peculiar
that the pac12 would insist on forcing this onto utah when it is obviously
detrimental to them. It simply confirms to me that utah was just brought in as
filler and not considered an equal at all."They simply must do
as ordered?Ask all current & former members of the WAC & MWC what
it was like to deal with BYU.
@upinthenight"They simply must do as ordered?Ask all
current & former members of the WAC & MWC what it was like to deal with
BYU."What does that even mean?
I guess my fear would be that this would make recruiting a bit harder in
state...barely a downer for certain recruits.
"We are a laughing stock of the nation with our parochial attitudes and
values." Since when have Utahns cared about what the nation as a whole
thought of them? The state was founded by people who went West because their
neighbors were killing them over their religion, and yet, that religion lives
It is amazing to me, no matter which side of the fence your on, how ignorant and
biased you can be. The comments are truly enteraining. If someone outside Utah
read them, we would truly be the laughing stock