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  • War dog Taylorsville, UT
    Oct. 26, 2012 6:29 p.m.

    It is amazing to me, no matter which side of the fence your on, how ignorant and biased you can be. The comments are truly enteraining. If someone outside Utah read them, we would truly be the laughing stock

  • EarlOfHemsley Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 24, 2012 9:42 a.m.

    "We are a laughing stock of the nation with our parochial attitudes and values." Since when have Utahns cared about what the nation as a whole thought of them? The state was founded by people who went West because their neighbors were killing them over their religion, and yet, that religion lives on...

  • rogerdpack Orem, UT
    Oct. 3, 2012 10:00 p.m.

    I guess my fear would be that this would make recruiting a bit harder in state...barely a downer for certain recruits.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Oct. 2, 2012 4:07 p.m.

    @upinthenight

    "They simply must do as ordered?
    Ask all current & former members of the WAC & MWC what it was like to deal with BYU."

    What does that even mean?

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Oct. 2, 2012 3:44 p.m.

    Duckhunter said:

    ".....But you are definately correct, they have no choice, they have no power or pull, they have nothing. They simply must do as ordered. I just find it interesting that the conference would insist on this when they know it will hurt attendence at utah home games. It is almost as if they are flipping off the Mormon utah fans. They could easily make it so that any Sunday games utah plays are road games and home games are not on Sundays other than under extreme circumstances.

    I just find it very peculiar that the pac12 would insist on forcing this onto utah when it is obviously detrimental to them. It simply confirms to me that utah was just brought in as filler and not considered an equal at all."

    They simply must do as ordered?
    Ask all current & former members of the WAC & MWC what it was like to deal with BYU.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    Oct. 2, 2012 3:24 p.m.

    sammyg
    Springville, UT
    WacPaddled by USU

    Jimmer's is a personal choice, not a university that either kowtowed to PAC12 wishes or sat silently and allowed the beliefs of half its student population to be disrespected.

    Huge difference.

    Anyone with even a hint of respect towards others could work out some arrangement to avoid scheduling these games on Sunday.
    ________________

    Get real.
    Is not Jimmer being disrespected by the NBA? Why did he not negotiate his contract to exclude Sunday games?
    Jimmer signed an NBA contract which requires him to play on Sunday if the Kings play. Do you think he could negotiate not playing on Sunday? Nope. It's not a 1/2 choice.

    Please BYU fans. Stop twisting this issue. Jimmer is in the same boat as Utah.

  • alternate Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 1, 2012 10:14 p.m.

    Cowboy Dude gave out some incorrect information. He basically said that Dr Hill moved the Utah/USC game to Thursday night to resolve the LDS General Conference Saturday night issue. He then went on to make a few mean spirited comments about the LDS church.

    Lets set the record straight here. The U/USC game was selected by ESPN and moved to Thursday night as part of the PAC12/ESPN contract. This is one of the bigger games in the PAC12 and I am sure it was high on ESPN's list of games to choose to as part of their PAC12 agreement for their Thursday night national game.

    The rest of his comments about "you guys won't be happy" were disappointing to me in that he feels he must say those things about LDS members, especially those that are devout Utah fans. There are many Utah fans who choose to be LDS who feel bad when scheduling conflicts occur. They also feel bad when they read mean spirited comments directed at them and/or their religion.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Oct. 1, 2012 10:11 p.m.

    WacPaddled by USU

    Jimmer's is a personal choice, not a university that either kowtowed to PAC12 wishes or sat silently and allowed the beliefs of half its student population to be disrespected.

    Huge difference.

    Anyone with even a hint of respect towards others could work out some arrangement to avoid scheduling these games on Sunday.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Oct. 1, 2012 6:49 p.m.

    Duckhunter said:

    ".....I just find it very peculiar that the pac12 would insist on forcing this onto utah when it is obviously detrimental to them. It simply confirms to me that utah was just brought in as filler and not considered an equal at all."

    You call force a pair of games on Sunday? Oh geeeeeeeez.

    Duckhunter. Don't you have anything to say about the BYU / ESPN contract?
    I would like to know why BYU fans like yourself support a company that works on Sundays. And takes advertising money from companies that encourage buying alcohol.

    Do tell, is that in line with BYU values and the mission of the church?

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Oct. 1, 2012 3:23 p.m.

    @mlh

    I probably didn't phrase that very well. Yes I understand utah has to do what they are told so they do have to "accept" it. What I meant was they can at least make their feelings known and it doesn't appear that they are willing to even say anything about it.

    But you are definately correct, they have no choice, they have no power or pull, they have nothing. They simply must do as ordered. I just find it interesting that the conference would insist on this when they know it will hurt attendence at utah home games. It is almost as if they are flipping off the Mormon utah fans. They could easily make it so that any Sunday games utah plays are road games and home games are not on Sundays other than under extreme circumstances.

    I just find it very peculiar that the pac12 would insist on forcing this onto utah when it is obviously detrimental to them. It simply confirms to me that utah was just brought in as filler and not considered an equal at all.

  • MLH SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Oct. 1, 2012 11:35 a.m.

    Bluto

    I guess your Sabbath is everyones Sabbath.

    "The attendance at Utah Basketball is a moot point. The Huntsman has been empty for years and nothing will change that in the near or distant future." You don't have to go back to far to say the same thing about byu.

    Bad marketing, it goes without saying that none, I mean none of you people realize that Utah is part of a conference they are part of a bigger picture. I wonder why all of you think that the U should be exempt form playing Sunday's while the other 11 are playing. Yes we may loose some fans those days, yes we have a long way to go. We are part of the PAC12, we play in the PAC12, we now play on Sunday's (not just basketball), we do have a large base of LDS Ute fans but the school is not LDS owned. And to duck, Utah does not have to accept it they are part of the PAC12 Sunday play is not for the Y, but is now standard for the University of Utah, and we are going to have to learn how to live with it.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    Oct. 1, 2012 8:39 a.m.

    Why do BYU fans point fingers at Utah fans over Sunday games?
    Not one of you is critical of Jimmer the bench warmer Fredette playing on Sundays. And BYU alumni playing in the NFL.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    Oct. 1, 2012 8:35 a.m.

    4601
    Salt Lake City, UT
    chaliceman, Thankfully, BYU is not rushing to abandon its values for a few bucks. They will never be in the pac-12 until the pack changes its values. Academics? utah is ranked 350 in the ACT scores of incoming freshman which is below Utah State. The pac-12 banner is not large enough to cover utah's average status.

    __________

    Values? Interesting comment. Just what are BYUs values now, especially chasing the money of its ESPN contract.

    You are selectively leaving out information to bolster your claim. There are many more academic and research reasons why Utah is in the Pac 12.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Oct. 1, 2012 8:32 a.m.

    Aside from all the religious banter, this is just bad marketing, and shows just how Utah ranks with the Pac 12 brass.

    Utah has no choice, the Pac tells them how high to jump and they must say, how high?

    This is why BYU is where it should be and Utah has landed where they fit best.
    BYU isn't ever going to leave the WCC for these very reasons and unless the Big East or Big 12 make concessions to BYU, then they won't take their football out of Independence either.

    The attendance at Utah Basketball is a moot point. The Huntsman has been empty for years and nothing will change that in the near or distant future.

    BYU has been stomping Utah in recruiting the local LDS kids since the U fired Judkins.
    It's called the "Curse of the Juddy".
    100 years of Utah Basketball wandering in the wilderness.

    This policy will assure that Utah continues to lose the prized LDS Utah recruits.

    Let's not get into a lengthy discussion as to how many steps one can take on the Sabbath. The Sabbabth was made for man, man was not made for the Sabbath.

  • Utah Alum Orem, UT
    Sept. 30, 2012 10:03 a.m.

    Dennis

    Who are you kidding?

    For the Utah LDS fan base, the Utes scheduling home games on the Sabbath is ALL about religion when in comes to those fans deciding whether or not to attend those games.

  • Dennis Harwich, MA
    Sept. 30, 2012 6:45 a.m.

    This has nothing to do with "Religion". Seriously, keep your testimonies of the "Sabbath" to yourselves.

  • 4601 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 29, 2012 3:11 p.m.

    chaliceman, Thankfully, BYU is not rushing to abandon its values for a few bucks. They will never be in the pac-12 until the pack changes its values. Academics? utah is ranked 350 in the ACT scores of incoming freshman which is below Utah State. The pac-12 banner is not large enough to cover utah's average status.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Sept. 29, 2012 7:20 a.m.

    @mlh

    You're missing the point, I think on purpose. Sure the pac12 plays on Sunday's but if it is really interested in maximizing the attendance at the games for every institution in its conference, and if it really cares about the values of the fanbase of each school in its conference, then why not make allowances for that school?

    Do these games have to be played on a Sunday? Of course not, they can be scheduled on a different day. The pac12 does not have a regular Friday/Sunday or Sunday/Tuesday basketball schedule so it isn't like they have to do this.

    And utah doesn't have to just accept it although I don't know that they did. chris hill very well may have requested no Sunday games and the pac12 overlords may very well have told him to shut up, sit down, and take what he is given. We'll never know the answer to that.

    But it is certainly not going to help utah's already extremely poor attendance. That's the real point you seem to be trying so hard to pretend doesn't exist.

  • MLH SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 10:37 p.m.

    BYU fans

    When these games were scheduled I gurantee that religion had not one thing to do with it. Utah is in the PAC12 and if all the other teams in the conference are playing on Sunday why would anybody think that the U should be excempt from playing.

    What makes any of you think that Dr Hill can call up and say, it's ok for the other eleven teams to play on Sunday but please don't add us into any of that type of scheduling. The University of Utah is part of the PAC12 and the PAC12 play's on Sunday's. It's not a sell=out to the mighty dollar it is being part of a non-secular, state owned school. We live in Utah but we are also part of the big picture of being part of organiztions,corporations, and other religions that are in the United Sttes of America.

    I once was in management with a very large golf retailer, I had to worked Sunday's that was a part of my life. It is wrong to Judge here fellas, it is part of the REAL WORLD life does go on, Sunday's

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 5:18 p.m.

    Cowboy Dude

    Point taken BUT you are stretching this further than the current issue of Sunday play.

    The issue is not about "you guys won't be happy..." it's about respecting the beliefs of others and in this case it's about a sizable representation of the total fan base of Utah which so happens to be LDS.

    If Utah had an 'intolerant' organized religious group known for occasional violence and outspoken vehement rhetoric then I'm sure a different decision would have been made but since it is LDS students I'm sure the PAC 12 just said "we'll just go ahead and shove it down their throats. That will send a nice subliminal message as to our feelings about religion in Utah."

    I'm sure as LDS members begin to reflect on this and others that some will come to a decision to move from U of U and attend elsewhere.

    What a shame that an institution that was created to serve the very society and community that surrounds it has now started down this path of disenfranchisement of a majority of its population.

    Totally unnecessary.

    Utah is becoming the "Lapdogs of the PAC"

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 4:29 p.m.

    "Lots of clueless Utah fans on here whining about "holier than thou" comments, while failing to understand the significance of excluding half of Utah's fan base from attending Sunday home games on the hill"

    Pacman:

    Look who's suddenly so concerned for the Utah fan base!

    Sorry, it's either "holier-than-thou" or hypocrisy (thanks for your contribution) for Y-ners commenting on this. Take your pick.

  • Cowboy Dude SAINT GEORGE, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 2:32 p.m.

    TroyTown "When have the lapdogs of the PAC ever stood up to the conference on anything?"

    Wait a minute. Last year the Des New comments were up in arms about Utah playing football during General Conference Saturday Night. This year Dr. Hill got his request to have USC play Utah on Thursday!

    You guys just won't be happy until the Utes don't play Gen Conference weekend, Sundays, Family Nights, Mutual night, or during Relief Society.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 2:07 p.m.

    @utahcountyute

    BYU would not simply quit playing a game because the clock struck midnight on a Sunday morning. To do that would be the lack of integrity. What BYU will not do is purposely schedule a sporting even on a Sunday. I understand the utah "fan" desire to try and spin that as hypocrisy but it isn't. It is simply BYU fullfilling their obligation.

    Everyone realizes that things do not always go as planned and that the right thing to do in those situations is to simply finish the gae then go home, get some sleep, and get up the next morning and honor the sabbath.

    I agree that the university of utah is not a religious institution and is not hld to the same standard as BYU. But I also understand that a significant protion of the utah fanbase does hold themselves personally to the same standards BYU holds itself to and playing on Sunday is not something they want to have happen. If utah is required to then so be it, they understand, but most of them won't attend. That is simply a reality.

  • SpaceCowboy69 Syracuse, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 2:04 p.m.

    As Mormon U fans like to point out, The U is the "School of the Prophets". They must be so proud right about now.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 1:59 p.m.

    @mlh

    Did you post that right after complaining to the censors about my post and getting it removed?

    And no I do not "care" if utah plays on Sunday's, not one bit. It doesn't bother me at all. But it is going to be an issue for the actual fans, you know those old Mormon's that are the only true utah fans. Most of them will not attend the Sunday games and since utah already doesn't get much in the way of attendance playing on a Sunday will just make it even more sparsely attended. Believe it or not I do have friends that are utah fans and no they are not going to attend Sunday sporting events. So the reality is that this will be a detriment to the university of utah, less people will attend these events. Once again I don't really care other than it is a point of conversation.

    I do find it interesting that the johny come lately utah "fans", the Mormon hater types, are celebrating this. Just shows there is a real divide between actual utah fans and these utah "fans".

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 1:17 p.m.

    @utahcountyute
    "Wasn't it Sunday when the Utes finally beat the cougs for the 3rd time anyway?"

    Nah, that final field goal attempt was at 11:58pm. We had to storm the field a few times just to stall long enough to make sure BYU knew they couldn't fit overtime in before midnight.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 1:09 p.m.

    @Johnny Triumph
    "Not sure I'd trade integrity for money, though."

    What integrity? Okay that came out wrong, but I'm going to leave it there to give you all a laugh. I mean... it's not a church school, Utah does not have any institutional principled stand against Sunday play so it's not like they're violating their own standards/ideals nor is there any national sense of standard morality being to not play on Sundays. That's just what BYU and others institute for themselves. It's like you're criticizing a baptist for not eating kosher.

  • TroyTown Anaheim, CA
    Sept. 28, 2012 12:50 p.m.

    SportsFan

    When have the lapdogs of the PAC ever stood up to the conference on anything?

    The conference tells Utah to rollover, and the Utes willingly oblige.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 12:24 p.m.

    MLH

    The root issue of Utah not respecting its own fans enough to push back on the PAC 12 scheduling Sunday games in the Huntsman has NOTHING to do with a "holier than thou" attitude by BYU fans about Sabbath worship, but EVERYTHING to do with a complete lack of respect for the values of a significant portion of Utah's fan base by the very institution Utah fans support.

  • MLH SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 11:51 a.m.

    Duckhunter

    It maters to you , Or why the comment? lowlife morman hater-WOW

  • MLH SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 11:43 a.m.

    Canyontreker

    Thank you for putting it a way people should be able to understand. I have been unable to get a comment past the sensors. Sunday is the day most companies(out of the state of Utah) start thier pay periods. In other words Sunday is just another day of the week.

    PAC man

    Your attitude is exactlly "holier than thou" Utah fans have the CHOICE of not attending. Going into this new conference Sunday play was none to all. The only athletic team that will not play on a Sunday is the football team. If fans do not want to go to a game, a lecture, a movie, throw a frisbee in the park it's their CHOICE. We learned that we had that in Sunday School. Judgemental religions and their people are ugly, IMO. I am LDS but I do believe that we have a CHOICE and I will go to the games. I also know I am going to go to heaven I trully believe the lord will not judge me because I went to a Sunday basketball game.

  • Razzle2 Bluffdale, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 11:41 a.m.

    If I go, I better not order a cola.

  • Razzle2 Bluffdale, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 11:39 a.m.

    If it was NOT on TV, I might have gone.

  • Canyontreker TAYLORSVILLE, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 11:03 a.m.

    As a season ticket holder, I guess I can start my Sabbath at sunset Saturday night to sunset Sunday night and go to the evening game. Are LDS people really counting my steps on Sunday?

    When I was in the Middle East, they didn't have weekends and Sunday's was just a regular day. The LDS took the sacrament at night and observed the Sabbath on their day off.

  • Razzle2 Bluffdale, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 10:46 a.m.

    Sunday worship is an individual choice.

    Reminds me of 1981 when the Cougars made it clear they would not participate in the National tourney if they had a bracket with Sunday play. Meanwhile, the Utes had to play on Sunday at the NCAA tournament.

    All of the Utes showed up for the game and won.

    However, the all-star game was also on Sunday, Frank Arnold of BYU was a coach and Danny Ainge was a key player while the invited Utes Danny Vranes and Tom Chambers skipped the game because they weren't playing for their team.

  • Cowboy Dude SAINT GEORGE, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 10:37 a.m.

    Jonathan Eddy "The NBA has no problem with Sunday games in Utah."

    Actually, as a promise to the season ticket holders, only national televised Jazz games are played on Sunday in Utah. Regional TV would not be on Sunday.

    One year the floor wasn't ready and the NBA wanted the Jazz to reschedule San Antonio to Sunday, but the Jazz said the promise held and the game was rescheduled two months later.

    Dallas and Charlotte have similar arrangements for NBA even though they have NFL Sunday.

    However, I stand with my prior comment, a U of U game at Huntsman is not like going to a pro game with the beer ads and side-line dancing.

  • Cowboy Dude SAINT GEORGE, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 9:27 a.m.

    It's the U of U at Huntsman Center. There is no beer, no beer ads, no suggestive ads. Doesn't sound like a bad place on Sunday.

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    Sept. 28, 2012 9:25 a.m.

    Lots of clueless Utah fans on here whining about "holier than thou" comments, while failing to understand the significance of excluding half of Utah's fan base from attending Sunday home games on the hill.

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 9:09 a.m.

    Lots of byU "fans" on here posting holier than thou like comments. Kinda funny when 99% are watching NFL games and supporting players like Pitta and a couple other byU players in the NFL as they play on Sunday.

    Wasn't it Sunday when the Utes finally beat the cougs for the 3rd time anyway? I had to.

  • Utah Alum Orem, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 8:23 a.m.

    It's not surprising that some of my fellow Utah fans would fail to understand the real issue isn't whether or not it's okay to play on Sunday, it's the lack of respect from Utah and the PAC 12 to schedule games on Sunday AT Utah, KNOWING that a significant portion of Utah fans won't be able to attend because their privately held religious convictions.

  • J-TX Allen, TX
    Sept. 28, 2012 7:32 a.m.

    That's what happens when you join a conference oriented squarely on the left coast.....

  • GoRed WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 7:03 a.m.

    You know what's interesting, is all of these BYU "fans" jumping in on this article on the Utes, and condemning the Utes for the possiblilty of playing on Sunday. This, from a fan base who constantly derides Utah---a state-owned school---for playing a few games on Sunday. As hard as this might be for some of them to understand, the U is not an LDS-owned school. Like the Utah Jazz, there will be times when they will need to compete on Sunday. I'm sure it will only be a few times/year. But to those same BYU "fans", what about Steve Young, Danny Ainge, Ty Detmer, Vai Sikahema etc.? Where was your criticism against all of those former BYU alums who competed on Sunday?

    Playing on Sunday is not ideal here in this state, but for a few times each year, that is what Utah, just like the Jazz, will need to do. It's the price, I guess, for playing in a prominent conference as opposed to trying to strike out on their own as an "independent" and not being sure if they can even fulfill a full 12-game schedule.

  • xert Santa Monica, CA
    Sept. 28, 2012 7:02 a.m.

    The concern isn't so much about whether or not they "play" on Sundays. More important is, can he "get them to play" on Sundays? Or Thursdays? Maybe on Friday nights, or possibly Saturday afternoons? How about on Wednesdays? Alternating Tuesdays? The third Monday of every month?

  • Veracity Morgan, UT
    Sept. 27, 2012 10:32 p.m.

    I have read alot of people rationalizing when their standards are thrown out the window.

  • Duckhunted highland, utah
    Sept. 27, 2012 9:41 p.m.

    17-14 if that's the score you have to hang your hat on best of luck! Last time I checked Utah is a state owned school, not a religious institution. If Utah loses LDS recruits because of this I respect those recruits in their beliefs!! I'm happy with their decision and have "true belief" in their religion!!

  • Duckhunted highland, utah
    Sept. 27, 2012 8:37 p.m.

    Just another example why no conference wants the Cougars!!! Like the old kids joke!!! Hertz Doughnut....Be thankful the WAC needs opponents!!

  • CG Orem, UT
    Sept. 27, 2012 6:47 p.m.

    utahcountyute

    As a state school, Utah can play whenever the Utes choose to play.

    From a marketing point of view, it's just plain DUMB to schedule games for a time when you know that half your fan base can't attend.

    However, it's shortsighted and insensitive of Utah to turn a blind eye to the concerns of its own fan base.

  • JohnnyJingle SOUTH JORDAN, UT
    Sept. 27, 2012 6:09 p.m.

    As Utah gets back to their powerhouse status again, Sunday games will be even more commonplace. Can't wait!

  • Downtownchrisbrown ,
    Sept. 27, 2012 4:49 p.m.

    With the attendance they have, this probably won't hurt too much. There isn't much difference from an empty gym and an almost gym.

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    Sept. 27, 2012 4:28 p.m.

    Lonestar

    What am I dodging?

    Utah is a state school, not a church school. The school has never said they will not play on Sunday. You sign up, you play. Pretty simple.

    Love the concern from the "fans" of the team that lost on Sunday in football.

  • sherlock holmes Eastern, UT
    Sept. 27, 2012 4:27 p.m.

    You must be kidding to think the U has only 20% LDSer fans. The U and its alums are mostly LDS, and they love the school. You way underrepresent the amount of Mormons and their influence at the U.

    And, for the record, the U did not sell its soul to become a PAC10 member. There are far worse things than a few sporting events on Sunday.

  • kfbob SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Sept. 27, 2012 4:08 p.m.

    I don't think Sunday play will be a problem for Utah. I don't know how many active LDS even support Utah probably less than 20%. Utah fans are mostly non-lds and less active LDS that will show up on Sunday games.

  • gchris rock springs, wy
    Sept. 27, 2012 3:11 p.m.

    Utah knew going into the PAC that they would have to play some games on Sunday, so I don't know what the big deal is with this announcement. More important is the pathetic non-conference schedule and the almost as bad conference schedule. After so many dominant UCLA and Arizona teams years ago and a few so-so Stanford and UCLA teams lately, the PAC has become almost irrelevant in basketball. Only the most die-hard fans would show up for games, particularly those played at the HC, regardless of when they are played. God gives us our free agency--those who believe that the Sabbath is holy and that proper observance is to not attend sporting events won't go. Those who don't share that belief but who don't want to waste their money watching a really bad basketball team will have the perfect excuse to stay home.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Sept. 27, 2012 3:02 p.m.

    @ JohninSLC

    Great Point!

  • starthillnotnelson Kamas/United States, UT
    Sept. 27, 2012 2:47 p.m.

    This will definitely lower the attendance of those games.

  • Hemlock Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 27, 2012 2:31 p.m.

    Chris Hill, just say it and save the mumbo-jumbo. Money rules. People are less than excited about the 2012-13 hoops season anyway.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 27, 2012 2:24 p.m.

    "I watch BYU players in the NFL and NBA playing on Sunday all the time. I guess if you get paid to play, you get a free pass."

    Spokane Ute:

    Perhaps there are so few former cougs in the pros, it's easy for the Y-ners to forget about them.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Sept. 27, 2012 2:11 p.m.

    I watch BYU players in the NFL and NBA playing on Sunday all the time. I guess if you get paid to play, you get a free pass. What a concept. As far as Utah goes, I'm sure the $20 mill/year TV contract will off set any complications.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 27, 2012 2:01 p.m.

    I'm not surprised that 95% of the "Tsk, Tsk" comments are from Y-ners.

    That must be what they teach in Y "fan" basic training, how to confess the Utes' perceived sins for them. You all get "A" in Holier-Than-Thou 101.

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    Sept. 27, 2012 1:51 p.m.

    CO Ute

    "While much of the fan base is LDS, the school isn't and there is no reason not to play Sunday games."

    As long as you don't care whether half of your staunchest supporters can't attend the game.

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    Sept. 27, 2012 1:33 p.m.

    chaliceman

    "Possibly Utah's sporting events will help bring this state into the 21st Century."

    Sorry chaliceman, but I don't recall ever seeing an expiration date on the Ten Commandments; whether you choose to keep them or not is your choice, but there's nothing "21st Century" about them.

    Unfortunately for U, many Utah fans aren't even sensitive enough to respect the beliefs held by a large segment of their own fan base.

    That's just sad.

  • Veracity Morgan, UT
    Sept. 27, 2012 1:11 p.m.

    Recruiting in Utah just got a whole lot harder...

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Sept. 27, 2012 12:39 p.m.

    More classic hypocracy from BYU fans.
    Jimmer the bench warmer Fredette plays on Sunday. You have no problem turning on ESPN or TBS to watch him either.

  • CO Ute PARKER, CO
    Sept. 27, 2012 12:33 p.m.

    Seems to me there is a lot of over reaction to the fact that 1 or 2 home games a year will be on Sunday. The Bronco fans that are LDS don't have an issue attending games on Sunday and suspect the Utes will be fine as well. For those U fans that don't believe it is proper to attend a sport event on Sunday there are options that were discussed in the article and the U respects your personal choice. While much of the fan base is LDS, the school isn't and there is no reason not to play Sunday games.

  • ute alumni Tengoku, UT
    Sept. 27, 2012 12:19 p.m.

    johnnyjingle
    nice try which religion states that sports should be plaed on sunday? jews, christians and muslims have a holy day. are christians a local religion? your lame aurgument can be if you don't like it here go somewhere that plays on sundays...... goodbye

  • Daventry1701 SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Sept. 27, 2012 12:12 p.m.

    I for one am delighted about the Sunday games and I would welcome more. Some of the comments on this thread are unbelievable. Please speak for yourselves and not pronounce playing on Sunday is something evvvvviilllll. A Sunday game has nothing to do with morality and it has nothing to with standards.

    Yay Sunday basketball!!!

  • bballjunkie Pleasant Grove, UT
    Sept. 27, 2012 11:30 a.m.

    @Freight Train
    I almost chocked laughing at the sabbath-breakers comment...very funny

    People it's basic math 1/2 of zero= 0 hope Chris Hill at least shows up.

  • cork Murray, UT
    Sept. 27, 2012 11:21 a.m.

    Whooooo cares?

  • sherlock holmes Eastern, UT
    Sept. 27, 2012 11:19 a.m.

    The article mentions Sunday games. The real story is the woeful condition of Ute basketball. Those preseason teams are a joke, almost unbelievable. Several junior college level games. And they were scheduled on purpose. One would rather go to a Judge-Juan Diego game -- on Sunday -- than any of those.

    One has to wonder about the new coach and his strategy. Are Ute fans concerned? Do they care?

  • Tami Herriman, UT
    Sept. 27, 2012 11:14 a.m.

    One more reason to choose BYU over Utah for LDS youth. What great mission prep would it be for a future missionary to play on Sunday!

  • Ben H Clearfield, UT
    Sept. 27, 2012 11:09 a.m.

    Considering how well the Utes have placed in recent seasons, Sunday play will be inconsequential to attendance.

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    Sept. 27, 2012 10:59 a.m.

    What a shame but I guess the U got what it wanted, more money. Not sure I'd trade integrity for money, though. I wonder what the older, predominantly Mormon segment of the U's alumni group thinks of this.

  • gonefishn Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 27, 2012 10:26 a.m.

    Not a big deal. If you have a moral conflict don't go. if no conflict exists enjoy yourself at the game.
    By the way, it is nice to see that usual suspects are back sniping at the Utes. After 2 demorilizing losses they cowerd in the corner. I am glad to see they have stepped away from the cliff.

  • Freight Train Houston, TX
    Sept. 27, 2012 10:18 a.m.

    Tough non-conference schedule this year!

    Prediction #1- the Utes will win more games this year than last. It certainly helps when I've never even heard of 10 of their NC opponents.

    Prediction #2- Dec. 8th: BYU 102, Sabbath-breakers 39.

  • JohnnyJingle SOUTH JORDAN, UT
    Sept. 27, 2012 9:59 a.m.

    @UTE ALUMNI - So since the U is a state run entity, they should conform to the standards of a local religion? Nice try.

    If you don't support events on Sunday, then don't go. There will be plenty of people there to take your place.

  • ute alumni Tengoku, UT
    Sept. 27, 2012 9:49 a.m.

    johnnyjingle: bees are not a state run entity
    chaliceman
    Salt Lake City, UT
    Possibly Utah's sporting events will help bring this state into the 21st Century. We are a laughing stock of the nation with our parochial attitudes and values. Not only are these values out of synch with national norms, they are not observed by most anyway which opens the doors to judgements of hypocrisy adding to the laughter.
    i don't beleive you have ever lived outside of slc. no one cares what is taking place in utah let alone laugh at it. i have lived in the south and northeast. i have NEVER heard anything close to what you are saying. another made up story. lol

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    Sept. 27, 2012 9:44 a.m.

    PAC 12 commissioner will be shocked when he will find out how empty this hc going to be. This will be interesting. Stanford and Arizona going to feel like their home field advantage.

  • Still Blue after all these years Kaysville, UT
    Sept. 27, 2012 9:42 a.m.

    It is very difficult to get good teams to come to Utah for pre-conference games. BYU struggles also. But BYU will at least pay teams decent money to come and also do home and home games with them, some at the ESA. Utah puts its money into football and thus they are at a disadvantage in even trying to schedule decent teams to come. Wins may give one confidence but you still get a real slap in the face when conference play begins. As for Sunday play, no surprise, everyone makes their choices and lives with the consequences.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 27, 2012 9:38 a.m.

    utahcountyute

    Nice dodge, but this is an article about Utah not having the guts to fight for a little consideration for a significant portion of its fan base.

    ------------

    "Coach K is doing things the right way and I can see things improving."

    The only reason Utes have a chance of winning 10 games this season is because coach "k" scheduled the most cupcake OOC schedule in the entire country. There are high school teams in Utah that could win 10 games playing Utah's schedule, and that's not just a bunch of hyperbole.

  • JohnnyJingle SOUTH JORDAN, UT
    Sept. 27, 2012 9:33 a.m.

    The issue people have here are with the Utes, not Sunday play. I don't hear people being this dramatic when the Bees play one of their 25 Sunday home games.

  • Go Utes Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 27, 2012 9:11 a.m.

    Very disappointing. This Mormon Ute season-ticket holder will not be attending those games.

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    Sept. 27, 2012 9:03 a.m.

    The usual suspects on here first spouting "love" for the program they aspire to be.

    If you sign up for college athletics, you should plan on either practicing or playing some games on Sunday. All athletes who are at the collegiate level dream and aspire to play on Sunday whether it's football, basketball or golf. And they ARE being paid to play. Do you think scholarships are actually FREE?

    Coach K is doing things the right way and I can see things improving.

    Go Utes!

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 27, 2012 8:55 a.m.

    Haha. Not smart, it's the Sabath. Are best team and best player ever makes it all the way to the sweet Sixteen.

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 27, 2012 8:52 a.m.

    Jonathan Eddy

    "Sports is the predominant religion in Utah and America. The NBA has no problem with Sunday games in Utah. Neither do the loyal fans. The Energy Solutions arena does just fine on Sunday."

    You're obviously just making stuff up, because the Jazz play very few Sunday home games during the regular season.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    Sept. 27, 2012 8:48 a.m.

    Krystkowiak said. "I know one game is at 7 at night and there's not a whole lot of other things going on Sunday night other than '60 Minutes.' So hopefully we can get them in there."

    This shows just how clueless Krystkowiak is about LDS standards when it comes to attending athletic contests on the Sabbath. The dismal attendance at the HC will be even more dismal for those Sunday home games.

  • byu rugby Crystal Lake, IL
    Sept. 27, 2012 8:40 a.m.

    What about the LDS players? will they be forced to play on Sunday? It isn't a job. Well, just another reason while active LDS atheletes should attend the Y (Not claiming the the Y or the students are perfect).

    Who wants to be in the PAC 12, 16, or 37 anyway? One bastion of liberal bias is pretty much like another.

  • AZ Blue & Red Gilbert, AZ
    Sept. 27, 2012 8:37 a.m.

    Not like anyone did not see this coming.

    You can still be a Utes fan and not attend the game. If I were in SLC and had season tickets these would go unused. But I would be at the other games win or lose. A fan is a fan.

    Maybe they should have an area conference at the HC just prior. Concessions may suffer but at least someone would be there.

    Get used to it Ute fans. It will only get worse. Too bad a compromise could not have been reached.

    Hope the Utes do better this next year. Guess it could not get much worse.

  • thebigsamoan Richmond, VA
    Sept. 27, 2012 8:17 a.m.

    Ain't freedom of choice a wonderful thing? God has given us no better gift than that. Those members of the state's dominant faith who want to honor the Sabbath can choose to stay home and not go, and those who opted not to are free to do as they please. God will judge us in the end but in the meantime we are free to enjoy life as we please. For me, I'm content to be on the Lord's side, and it won't bother me one bit, nor would I care to pass judgment on others of my faith who many choose to do otherwise. To each his own, and that's exactly the beauty of God's gift of free agency to us and the way He wants and intended it to be.

    Good luck to the Utes! And go Cougars!

  • In but not of Lehi, UT
    Sept. 27, 2012 8:11 a.m.

    Brilliant idea, go ahead and alienate half of your fan base when you are already struggling with attendance. It is a good thing that we have such insane amounts of TV revenue coming in the near future, and yes, it will be a net positive even with declining attendance, but it kind of shafts the loyal fans.

    Larry Miller had the guts to influence the NBA to not have the Jazz play at the ESA on sundays very often. Too bad Chris Hill's guts are not similarly influential.

  • EdGrady Idaho Falls, ID
    Sept. 27, 2012 8:07 a.m.

    College of Idaho? What, was Northwest Nazarene booked?

  • EdGrady Idaho Falls, ID
    Sept. 27, 2012 7:51 a.m.

    Why does it matter? Nobody attends utah basketball games anyway.

  • alternate Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 27, 2012 7:37 a.m.

    This is not new at the U. Last seaon, several of the women games in mulitple sports and a few baseball games were played on Sunday. What is sad is the hateful comments by some of the posters about religion and BYU. All the talk a couple of years back about Utah and Colorado being added to the PAC but not BYU because of academics and other stuff like that was simply blue smoke hiding this real reason. Balan is right, BYU will never be in a conference where they would be forced to play Sunday games. What he/she should have also said it is BYU's choice. He is also right, they never will, again their choice.

    Chaliceman is also right in his/her comment, but I personally am not sure that a godless society where the world is headed is good. Not sure one always has "to be in sync with national norms" if it means compromising one's values just so you can belong.

  • chaliceman Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 27, 2012 7:15 a.m.

    Possibly Utah's sporting events will help bring this state into the 21st Century. We are a laughing stock of the nation with our parochial attitudes and values. Not only are these values out of synch with national norms, they are not observed by most anyway which opens the doors to judgements of hypocrisy adding to the laughter.

  • cougarfan2 Sandy, UT
    Sept. 27, 2012 7:14 a.m.

    It doesn't matter...no one goes anyways

  • higv Dietrich, ID
    Sept. 27, 2012 6:52 a.m.

    Larry Miller tried to avoid Sunday HOme games in the Delta Center. Could not control playoffs though. Other things of his stayed open. HC probably won't be as packed.

  • jim l West Jordan, UT
    Sept. 27, 2012 6:47 a.m.

    And we thought that just winning 6 games last year was a low point.

  • Go Utes! Springville, UT
    Sept. 27, 2012 6:46 a.m.

    not a big deal, it will be fun to watch my utes play after church on the PAC 12 Network! (unless it interferes with a Football game.)
    Go Utes

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Sept. 27, 2012 6:29 a.m.

    This should be a real concern for Hill and K2. Attendance could drop from 2,000 to 1,000 severely affecting the revenue of the school.

  • Hellooo Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 27, 2012 1:06 a.m.

    The silence at these games should be great examples of the reverence that should be evident at places of worship throughout the state. The U should be thanked for setting such standards of religious observance

  • Veracity Morgan, UT
    Sept. 26, 2012 11:45 p.m.

    This is just the beginning of the end...

  • Balan South Jordan, Utah
    Sept. 26, 2012 10:41 p.m.

    This is exactly the reason BYU was not, and never will be invited to the PAC12.

  • USUfootballWasIndependent2001&am Salt Lake, UT
    Sept. 26, 2012 10:36 p.m.

    How could they?

    I hear they also sell Dr. Pepper.

  • Jonathan Eddy Payson, UT
    Sept. 26, 2012 10:15 p.m.

    Sports is the predominant religion in Utah and America. The NBA has no problem with Sunday games in Utah. Neither do the loyal fans. The Energy Solutions arena does just fine on Sunday.

  • eagle Provo, UT
    Sept. 26, 2012 9:52 p.m.

    If a basketball is played and no one is there to watch it, was there really a basketball game?

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Sept. 26, 2012 8:52 p.m.

    I doubt it will even matter. No one goes to the hc for games anyway unless BYU is visiting.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Sept. 26, 2012 8:34 p.m.

    This is sad however with attendance at the HC at record lows maybe its not as bad as it sounds?