Published: Wednesday, Sept. 26 2012 12:00 a.m. MDT
These are interesting questions. I am a socialist. I am not a liberal nor am I
a Democrat. There are two corporation parties in the United States -
Republicans and Democrats. Your list of socialists does not exhaust the list of
same. Many fine men, like Eugene V Debs, have been socialists - Debs ran for
the presidency 3 times. Look to Debs if you want to see what a "good"
socialist amounts to. In no way do I wish to be counfounded with either
liberalism or the Democratic Party.
Well, to many Republicans, the term "Far Left" refers to anyone who
doesn't think like they do. Generally, with the recent purge of RINOs from
the Republican Party where you no longer find liberal/moderate Republicans like
Nelson Rockfeller, Dwight Eisenhower, Thomas Jefferson, and Teddy Roosevelt, the
term shows considerable shift in definition with the Right-Ward shift in the
body politic. But conservatives today usually say that the "Far Left"
are people who advocate "socialism" and "communism" although
they don't appear to understand what these political philosophies
entail.In communist countries like China, the former Soviet Union,
and Cuba, the governments could be seen as ultra-conservative, establishing a
political elite who profited from the power and financial exploitation of the
general public, and corresponds to todays extreme Right-Wing advocates of
dismantling our democratic government and establishing a socially conservative
society benefitting corporate interests.So it gets really confusing.
However, for anyone who has had dealings with liberal politics, it is really a
hodge-podge of political attitudes, not displaying the ideological discipline of
the Republican Party and aligned conservatives. The reasons why it is difficult
for Democrats to work together is because it is democratic.
Someone else who doesn't see any difference between North Korea and Norway.
Not that any Democratic politician even wan's to get anywhere near
Norway's social democracy.
This is a cheap smear on Democratic candidates - comparing them to communists
and socialists? How can something like this even be published? There is no
good faith at all in this letter.
"How close does a liberal Democrat compare to one of these socialists
politically?"To Castro? Or Stalin? Not even close.
If folks still believe that Obama is anywhere close to Stalin or
Castro, then they:A. Don't know what they're talking
about. It's a complete insult to those who have actually suffered under
Communism. B. Have no clue what the GOP has done for almost 2 decades.
Bailing out (vitual) car/banking companies/organizations, stimulus packages, and
Obamacare? yeah, all were done/were past ideas, of the GOP.
So the editorially balanced Deseret News accompanies a question about the
'far left' with a picture of Obama and Clinton? Would you run a
picture of the self-described' 'severely conservative' Romney and
Ayn Rand devotee Ryan as 'far right'?Leaving aside the
question of 'extreme', Castro and Stalin are Communists, a system
based upon a dictatorship of the proletariat. They do not believe in a
multi-party democracy. Democratic socialists, common in Western Europe believe
in democracy, and varying degrees of government control of business. The more
extreme favor direct government control of many businesses, the less extreme
favor tighter regulations on independent businesses. Few Conservative
politicians in Europe are as far to the right as their American counterparts,
except for the relatively fringe far-right nationalist parties. For example,
Conservatives in Britain generally support National Health Care (Britain's
socialized medicine). Most American liberals would be considered
moderate social democrats in most other countries. They believe in democracy and
capitalism but also progressive taxation and government regulation.
Conservatives in this country believe in far less regulation of business and
less taxation, but believe in more government regulation in what some would
consider personal moral decisions.
An extreme unreasonable liberal democrat, call extreme conservatives
"socialists" and name calls like elementary scholl children on the
The lefties in the room will be in full denial...but they'll be
hard-pressed to find a tenet of Marxism they disagree with.
Listening to a Republican trying to explain what a Democrat is, is often like
watching a Baptist preacher describe what a Mormon is...often times hilarious.
Good heavens. If you're a Korea War veteran, like my father, then you are
most likely in your late 70s/early 80s and you don't need someone to answer
your questions for you. You can most likely make decisions all by yourself.
Just make a decision and vote the way you feel. If a particular party is not to
you liking, then don't vote for them. You get one vote, just like I do,
so make it count.
My sister would qualify as a liberal Democrat (though I would not apply the
label "extreme" to her).How does she differ from Joseph
Stalin? I suppose the first thing is that she has not killed several million of
her countrymen nor sent millions more to the gulags. Nor would she ever
advocate such positions.Please, such nonsense as this does us no
good. Some of us are more conservative, some more liberal. This name calling is
just idiocy.Yes, the president is a Democrat. His chief challenger
is a Republican.In the US, the Democrats are the center-left party.
The Republicans are the center-right party. There are differences and
similarities between them.But comparing either to the excesses of
Stalin, Hitler, etc. is just so much foolishness.We need to do
Says Lyle as he enjoys his Social Security, Medicare, and military benefits.
Re: "Many fine men, like Eugene V Debs . . . ."Fine men like
Debs?Hmmmmm.You must be talking about someone other than
the unrepentant socialist/anarchist felon, who, upon imprisonment for urging
draft resistance, desertion, and the overthrow of the United States government
during World War I, fomented 8 days of rioting by "unionists, socialists,
anarchists and communists," starting May 1, 1919, and who admitted,
"while there is a lower class, I am in it, and while there is a criminal
element I am of it, and while there is a soul in prison, I am not free."If that's the type marxists consider "fine men," it's
no wonder they're considered half-a-bubble-off plumb, even by other
Sadly, those of Mr. Tillet's generation usually only see the biased
nonsense that is printed on the Deseret News editorial page, and not the much
more balanced discussion that follows it online.
Gotta love it when someone who enjoyed a government paid for education, enjoyed
a life where the middle-class thrived because of Democrat policies', who is
now living off SS and Medicare, complains about "Socialism."
I used to be a Republican. Now I'm considered a "far left
liberal".That's what extremists have done to the GOP.
This letter illustrates the tendency towards exaggeration and gross
over-simplification regarding political ideology, particularly regarding
ideology that differs from our own.Mr. Tillett (and others) might be
surprised to learn that there is not a single, all-inclusive continuum labeled
"Liberalism vs. Conservatism" that comprehensively defines all political
ideology. Other (often better) means of analyzing and categorizing political
positions include "Collectivism vs. Individualism", "Populism vs.
Corporatism/Institutionalism", "Totalitarianism vs. Anarchism", and
"Capitalism vs. Marxism" (which, incidentally, are both economic
theories); and, there are still other continuums that could be used.Really, the labels of “liberal” and “conservative”
have become almost too abstract and subjective to be useful.A
deeper, less simplistic way of analyzing political positions can be found at The
Political Compass website. I’ve taken the survey there twice, about 4-5
years apart, and both times I ranked almost dead-center on both axes (for what
it’s worth). Honestly, I would be very interested to know where several
of the “regulars” here in the DN Opinion section comment threads
rank on the Political Compass (though I think I could pretty accurately guess
There are really 2 extremes in the world. Socialists on 1 side and Fascists on
the other. There are many degrees between them.The same questions
that are in the article regarding socialism, communism and Democrats can also be
turned to communism, fascism and Republicans.There are many stories
about how Republicans state that they are for less government and regulations
yet at the same time, they want the government to stop that which they
don't like, fund the military machine (Government doesn't create jobs)
and so forth.What needs to happen is for parties to be pushed aside.
Look at exactly the issues that the candidates are running on.Why
must it be that any Democrat in congress is a vote for Pelosi? Is any
Republican in congress a vote for doing nothing and letting the country and the
economy dissolve away to nothing?Let's all just take a step
back and look at the candidates and not their party. If we can't ignore
the party, then we can't ignore the candidates history. This would mean
that Romney would ship more jobs overseas if elected and Obama will repeat 4
years of economic growth?
I am an American, a veteran, an active citizen [and active LDS].Although I
do not consider myself “Far Left”, nor Democrat – I do
consider myself an extreme Liberal.To begin with, you have been told wrong
[most likely be either Joe McCarthy or Glenn Beck] -- Castro and Stalin are
Communists – NOT Socialists.lib•er•al
[lib-er-uhl] 1. favorable to progress. 4. maximum freedom. 5.
freedom of action, especially matters of personal belief or expression. 6.
representational government rather than aristocracies and monarchies. 7.
free from prejudice or bigotry; tolerant. 8. open-minded. 10. give
freely or abundantly; generous. 11. not strict or rigorous; free. Be definition -- Jesus was a Progressive Liberal, as were
our Founding Fathers,Lincoln, Roosevelt, JosephSmith
BrighamYoung….all ProgressiveLiberals.We should be likewise.FYI - The USMilitary is Social/Communistic.Same,Equal -
Having ALL things in Commonso are Families, early Christians,
the Nephites, American Pilgrims, early Latter-Day Saints, So I reckon Heaven is also. This may come as a shock and surprise
to you [I know it did for me!]But it’s the truth, And the
Truth shall set you free…~ Peace
A "liberal" is really just a conservative who won't allow anyone to
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