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BYU football: Brandon Doman's offense under scrutiny before matchup with Hawaii

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  • Lightening Lad Austin , TX
    Sept. 27, 2012 8:18 p.m.

    BTW- Don't praise Chow just yet, do you know who the OC was in the 3-0 loss to Utah with fewer than 61 yards thrown? Norm Chow
    Who was the OC that refused to call a pass play after halftime in a 10-6 home loss to Utah? Norm
    In 1999 a poor BYU team played Marshall in the Motor City Bowl, BYU lost badly 38-7, to Marshall??? Norm was the OC, 80% of BYU passing plays were to the sideline, not one deep ball was thrown after the half and few before. You got the idea that Chow was determined to prove the Marshall HC wrong after comments appeared in The Detroit Free Press calling attention to they excellent outside LBs they team had, over and over sideline to opposite sideline INT, Incompletions it was dreadful.
    The guy interviewed with over 15 BCS teams yet he was never offered at HC job until last year. Chow is a great guy but he has a quick temper and a thin skin that sometimes influences his coaching decisions. Brandon just has no confidence, something that happens when you feel your in over your head.

  • Lightening Lad Austin , TX
    Sept. 27, 2012 8:05 p.m.

    I played football at Arizona St in the late 70's. While a lot has changed since then, some things don't. A BYU team that can't complete more passes than turnovers could not be hurt by changing QB's You guys especially the apologists fail to really get how pitiful 61 yards really is. The only time I've ever seen it was last Thursday. We played Nebraska in a tough Fiesta Bowl game winning 19-9, Nebraska had the best running game and a real standup Black Shirt defense, by dragging the TE between the LB's and DB's we had 7 consecutive completions, then we alternated going deep with throwing to the running backs. I refuse to belive that a Boise team is better than Nebraska was and we didn't have a great QB and we didn't have tall WR's, BYU has two potential all Americans that are not being thrown to. In conclusion BYU has no excuse for such a bad show, they weren't playing a great defensive team. Riley cannot throw a straight pass longer than 25 yards than limits your offense, he needs to sit.

  • Arizona Reader Gilbert, AZ
    Sept. 27, 2012 12:43 p.m.

    Good, because he's doing an awful job! He only likes running QBs, because that's all he knows. He was an average QB himself and had Luke Stahley in the back field. He's not a good coach and his philosophy will never beat any teams that are good. Time for a change!!!

  • Uncle Rico Knows Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 27, 2012 11:44 a.m.

    Look at all of the Doman quotes throughout the story. He doesn't exactly spew a lot of confidence, does he? If these quotes reflect his coaching, he likely doesn't command much respect from his players. Perhaps that is the root of this problem.

  • Lightening Lad Austin , TX
    Sept. 27, 2012 1:22 a.m.

    Keeping things positive, you can't just up and bring in a brand spanking' new OC. There are only 2 choices: 1) Ride out the 2012 season hoping to win 8 games with Brandon running in inoffense.
    2) Promote Lance Reyolds who knows as much about BYU passing football as any man alive, including LaVell to OC/assistant head coach, maintain Brandon as QB coach.
    Pipe dreams on bringing in X, Y, or Z are impractical No coach is going to wish to be hired to try out for the job.
    2013- OC Cantidates
    The former Boise St OC now holding on very shakily at Texas, (the Horns really don't care for a guy trying to change 100 years of power football into a finesse passing game. 3 underclass QB's have transferred as a result.
    Steve Fairchild- former Head Coach at CSU (averaging 3 wins a season) however with a very good record as an OC both pro and college
    Steve Kragthorpe- former Louisville HD, Tulsa HD. Using the BYU pass offense he averaged close to 400 passing yards at Tu
    Say using ex-Snow QB Paul Smith
    Those are the names, Crowton, no way

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    Sept. 26, 2012 9:25 p.m.

    I still like Doman. I find his humility very refreshing. Although I agree that he needs to let go of some stupid plays that don't work, I still have faith in him. Although I respect Bronco as a terrific defensive coordinator, I am progressively losing faith in him as a HC.

    Memo to Tom Holmoe: Put Gary Andersen #1 on your radar as a future replacement for Bronco Mendenhall.

    To other wishful thinkers: Mike Leach does NOT meet the qualifications to be a head coach at BYU.

    @Patriot: your judgements of Hill are premature. Hill was off mark at the start when he was thrown into the fire but he got better after a few throws. I could make the same criticisms you make of Hill against Lark in the Weber State game. I can attest that Hill has a much stronger arm than any of the other QBs, with the possible exception of Munns. Doman just needs to let him use it. And Robert Anae was NOT a good OC. He did OK against the patsies with Heaps, but not against the decent teams. Heaps problems were not with the OC.

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    Sept. 26, 2012 5:58 p.m.

    How do you fire Doman now? What magic OC do you have in the woods? Bronco took over for his DC, but he was an outstanding DC before taking the HC job.

    Doman will have to serve out the season. If he doesn't get it figured out, we'll know it and so will Holmoe. He'll be searching for a replacement, and maybe he is now. But Brandon Doman is the OC this year. All year.

  • Hellooo Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 26, 2012 4:40 p.m.

    Jeff I appreciate this news bulletin. I did know BYU had an offense.

  • Winglish Lehi, UT
    Sept. 26, 2012 4:39 p.m.

    It seems to me that Doman might remember a guy who stepped into the starting role after biding his time on the bench for four years. When Doman finally got his chance, he was ready. James Lark is ready.

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 26, 2012 4:19 p.m.

    @haunyocker

    I don't think that's the case at all. Hill has a role in the offense and that's to run the wildcat so he gets into games even if Riley is the starter. If Doman had named Lark the starter he would've still used Hill like before so it would've been a win-win for him. If Lark doesn't work out he still has Hill to fall back on but if the senior (more experienced) Lark does work out and plays well we likely win the game and Doman comes out looking like a genius instead of an idiot for playing 1/2 a Quarterback (who even at full capacity is less than a full QB anyways with his arm being so weak).

    This whole deal with Riley pointing the finger at the coaches ("they should know I'm not taking myself out!") and Doman pointing the finger at Riley ("I was waiting for him to tell me he couldn't play!") and Bronco clamping his hands over his eyes and ears ("Riley's the leader of this team and nothing is going to change") makes them all look like a bunch of monkeys.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Sept. 26, 2012 4:00 p.m.

    Hill showed against Boise he isn't capable of completing a simple 15 yard down and out. The ball bounced off the turf or sailed far behind or over the head of the receiver. This is QB play 101 and Hill can't do it. Every starting QB in Div 1 can do this except BYU. Maybe some day but not this year. The only think Hill can do is run... very predictable. How did the Y shrink to this level? Blame Bronco and Brandon.

  • slcftball Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 26, 2012 4:00 p.m.

    Nevada went thru the Hawaii defense like a hot knife thru butter. 69 points. At Hawaii even.

    If we don't score 50 we should look for a new O coordinator. Doesn't matter who the QB is.....

  • Bear Somewhere, UT
    Sept. 26, 2012 3:20 p.m.

    RE haunyocker:

    If Bronco and Doman are the coaches then they have the responsibility to say Riley your are hurting too much and we will be replacing you. The big question is why this was not done after the first quarter or at the latest half time. It was obvious that he was hurt and was not able to play up to his best. I do believe that Lark deserves a chance. BYU has never had more talent on the edges than this season. Both Hoffman and Apo could have amazing seasons if someone could throw to them and this falls squarely on Doman's head as he is the one calling the plays and making personnel decisions.

  • haunyocker Springville, UT
    Sept. 26, 2012 3:03 p.m.

    I will never understand the criticism for Doman in the Boise game. He had three choices. Nelson, Lark and Hill at quarterback. Each had strengths and weaknesses. If he'd picked Lark, which changes the type of game BYU plays, he be criticized for not putting in Hill. If he chose Hill he be criticized for playing a freshman and being criticized for not putting in the Senior Lark. It just seems that nothing he would have chosen was right. I do believe that there are two criticism that are valid. One is that Riley admitted he was playing at 65 per cent. If that's the case it was his responsibility to say "I'm not getting it done, which was obvious, so take me out." The other criticism was the PAT. Bronco would have been a hero if the play had worked but as the result shows he wound up being the goat.

    I've never played a down of football and I'll bet most of the most critical fans haven't either, at least at the D1 level.

  • sg newhall, CA
    Sept. 26, 2012 3:02 p.m.

    It's time to fire Bandon Doman.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Sept. 26, 2012 3:00 p.m.

    Doman is on the hot seat - red hot!! 69 yards passing in the 4th qtr last game doesn't quite cut it especially since in past years BYU has 69 yards in the first two series in the 1st qtr normally. Doman has been a complete bust as an offensive coordinator and BYU should have NEVER let Robert Anae go. I think back of Beck and Hall under Anae and the norm was 400-600 yards offense with 350 of that passing... that was the norm. Heck I think of how Heaps was doing his final couple of games under Anae - 300 yards plus throwing the ball. Bronco is going to have to make a decision especially if the Y offense is like it was against Boise and Utah. You don't fill 65000 seats by putting up 69 yards passing. First BYU has to go get a QB and Hill isn't it. Hill is better suited as a slot receiver or even tail back.

  • dbrbmw Orem, UT
    Sept. 26, 2012 1:19 p.m.

    If you feel 61 Doman then we feel 122. Please resign. Snow College might need you.

  • Still Blue after all these years Kaysville, UT
    Sept. 26, 2012 12:58 p.m.

    I wonder if Bronco would fire his OC like he did his DC a couple years ago when the defense was playing so poorly?????

  • New to Utah PAYSON, UT
    Sept. 26, 2012 12:43 p.m.

    BYU has got to learn how to win the close games. BYU'defense played well enough to win both the Utah and Boise State games but the offensive well to put it mildly stunk.Chris Petersen had great respect for BYU's defense but capitalized on offensive mistakes as did Utah. Taysom Hill faced a fatigued BSU defense when he scored the touchdown. He needs to get better fast for BYU to have a successful season. My opinion we were out coached both games.

  • Laxman taylorsville, UT
    Sept. 26, 2012 12:26 p.m.

    Why should we expect anything more from Doman that we are getting. He had a midocore career at the Y and he was an option QB. Luke Staley is what made Doman have a good year. His NFL career was holding the ball for extra points and that was it. I am sure Bronco loves him, but that doesn't make him an offensive coordinator.

  • Bear Somewhere, UT
    Sept. 26, 2012 12:19 p.m.

    Doman was not ready for the OC job. He could become a good OC if he could work under someone like Leach and learn how to game plan. I have to say that every time I hear him say that he wants to get back to BYU football and have this prolific passing game I can't stop my self from laughing. It is like me telling my wife that I will fix the lawn mower tomorrow but I never go buy the parts so that tomorrow is never going to come. If he wants to have a prolific passing game then why is Riley the starting quarterback? BYU needs to start calling passing plays and give Lark or Munns a chance to use Hoffman, Apo and Friel to the best of their abilities. Quit with the senior quarterback stuff because Lark is a senior too.

  • HCB63 Orem, UT
    Sept. 26, 2012 11:12 a.m.

    Doman's problem is that he is NOT an offensive coordinator.

    He has no idea how to set up plays, how to call plays based on defensive tendencies, how to build a comprehensive game-long attack plan with variations for defensive adjustments, has zero imagination for creating/designing plays, etc. Plus, he takes far too long communicating his plays from the booth.

    In short, no matter how prepared he tries to be, Doman just isn't ready for opponents because he clearly lacks the tools and vision to be an OC.

  • t-ragg boise, ID
    Sept. 26, 2012 10:57 a.m.

    Just wondering how many more QB's Doman is going to ruin

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    Sept. 26, 2012 10:39 a.m.

    You think Norm Chow might be laughiing now? A good HC and OC for BYU is to sit R. Nelson and put T. Hill in.

  • Wayne Rout El Paso, TX
    Sept. 26, 2012 10:02 a.m.

    Before the season started, I frequently pointed out that Riley was not a quarterback. Where are those now that put such childlike faith in Riley then and said I was disloyal to BYU. Doman has accomplished something...he has finally made Norm Chow and Robert Anae look like supermen.

  • Sneaky Jimmy Bay Area, CA
    Sept. 26, 2012 8:41 a.m.

    BYU blew it by not getting Mike Leach to replace Bronco. Leach UNDERSTANDS BYU football. It looks like Gary Crowton is still coaching. There was a time when the BYU offense took the field knowing that there was no way the other team could stop them. That faith is long lost.

  • coloradoblue Grand Junction, CO
    Sept. 26, 2012 7:55 a.m.

    Riley Nelson is to BYU as Jordan Wynn was to Utah. Pathetic. They both fold under pressure and do not have the skills to be a Division 1 quarterback. Both may have fared well at a JUCO team but neither have the necessary skills to compete at this level. I agree that Lark should get playing time, but Taysom Hill is the heir apparent and should begin training this week. What everyone is not saying is that the Offensive line is horrible. We truly need a good O-line coach that can teach those guys how to block and hold it so that the running backs can find an opening and so that they can support a pocket to pass from. GO COUGS!

  • Fred Vader Oklahoma City, OK
    Sept. 26, 2012 7:37 a.m.

    "Doman's goal since he became the offensive coordinator in 2011 has been to establish a traditional BYU aerial attack capable of generating prolific passing yards and touchdowns."

    Then you might want to use a quarterback (whether healthy or not) who can throw the ball farther than 10 - 15 yards. Just sayin'.

  • gchris rock springs, wy
    Sept. 26, 2012 6:54 a.m.

    Hint to coach Doman: If you want to have a successful passing game, you should call pass plays and not Riley Nelson option plays or quarterback draws or Riley Nelson runs-for-his-life plays. It really isn't that complicated. I doubt that Apo, Hoffman and Friel were recruited so they could stand around and watch Riley Nelson run the football. Very few college football teams are successful running the option and most do it because they can't recruit passers and receivers. If Nelson can't see open receivers, if his line isn't giving him adequate protection (possibly because they, too, are thinking that he will run and they will have to run-block), or if Nelson thinks that every game is a 2011 Utah State game, then both he and Doman should be benched. This is a better team than the one that lost two games by four points.

  • Lightening Lad Austin , TX
    Sept. 25, 2012 11:40 p.m.

    What offense?

  • nunya sacramento, ca
    Sept. 25, 2012 8:44 p.m.

    of course it's under scrutiny....it's pathetic and he's either bad at coaching up the QB to know and understand what he needs to do or he's bad at calling plays, which is it Doman? At this point, i'd rather see Hall call some plays and see what he can do. Oh and if you guys wanna be loyal to someone, try being loyal to Lark...flipping give him his chance already and see what he can do, can it really be any worse then what it is now? If I were Lark, I'd walk into Bronco's office and demand to be put back at 2nd string QB. Fight for it Lark, nelson does and look how bad he is.

  • Vladhagen Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 25, 2012 8:00 p.m.

    One of the largest problems we have is trying to use the same play over and over and over and over, even when it doesn't work. At Utah, why were we running the option so much? They were snuffing it every time. You know it's bad when ESPN starts to question the play calling. Throw the ball down the field. I know that Riley or Taysom or whoever (well, James Lark has a fine arm) cannot throw the ball 80 yards, but surely the dudes can throw it 35 yards can't they? Mix it up.