The real question is this - is the BYU offense fixable this year? First off you
have to have a QB - they don't. Secondly you have to have an offense that
conforms to the talent you have - it doesn't. BYU has two great receivers
who never get to touch the ball because no one can throw to them. Doman can
tinker all he wants but the only fix is a new coach ... and new QB.
To: 3grandslams Iowa City, IA - you actually make a very good point here and
also hint at something that I see coming from BYU. I believe that we may
actually see the slow decline in the athletic programs at BYU until they are
actually dropped. BYU is an excellent academic institution. If what 3grandslams
from Iowa City, IA states is true about the ability of BYU to compete at this
level, combined with an independence status that is going nowhere, the
handwriting seems to be on the wall. I would hate to see that, but, it happened
at BYU Idaho (Ricks) which was considered a top level JC at the time. I believe
there needs to be an overhaul from the top down, starting with the AD and then
the football program, if BYU is going to be able to come back to what the
program has been in the past.
Use Lark he can stretch the field, hit the open reciever and score points. Use
Hoffman and Apo as deep threats. Use the tight ends in the flats and underneath
slants and as huge blocking bowling balls down field. Use the RB's on
misdirection plays and quick out pass plays. Riley is hurt and needs to rest up.
James Lark either should start or leave. Yes go to his locker close
it and not look back. the coach's have been leading him down the prim rose
path now for two years telling James how much the team needs him if Riley gets
injured. Blah, blah, blah !!!This coaching staff should be ashamed
of how they have miss managed the talent on this team.
54-10Bitter Ute "fans" seeking solace... predictable.Utes losing the next three games... also predictable.
Cougar "fans" now turning on each other.Predictable.
The arm chair qb's have had their say. Ute fans posting as cougar fans,
cougar fans weak in the knees and screaming the sky is falling and questioning
BroncoHere is my question, why do fans not comprehend (I understand
critics, but they are small chirping crickets) what BYU has done with it's
system? A slew of missionaries, high academic standards, no sunday play or
practice, when you put that all together and realize that no other team anywhere
even comes to close to fielding a football team under those conditions, what BYU
is doing is flat out unheard of in the sporting world. It's incredibly
remarkable. Yes, cheating is an option to have success (Ohio St., Miami, FSU,
Nebraska, USC, Oregon...) but that's not how the cougars roll. So when other teams employ the same standards as BYU and have the success
they've had, they are welcome to chime in and steer the program from their
lazy boys, until then, sit back and enjoy an amazingingly successful athletic
program...and soon, soon enough, BYU will be primed to put all critics to rest.
Determined to fix the offense? Determined enough to quit.
"BYU is a couple of plays from being undefeated at 4-0 instead of 2-2."
The sad thing about that statement is that it's true. As terrible as our
offense has been, indeed. We're a couple plays away from being 4-0. Sad
reality! Then again, we're a "couple plays" aways from being 1-3!
Althought I don't think they'll do more, I do believe the Cougs will
reach the 6 win threshold to play in the Poinsettia Bowl ... barely! But, at
this point, that's the best I think they have going for them. There really
is not option here. Riley is too hurt to help the team. The only alternative is
Hill, who has 4 years of eligibility, or Lark. Give Riley 1-2 weeks to recover.
The Cougs offense is the laughing stock of the country, shown in all its glory
to our nat'l TV audiance. Egads.
If Doman wants to fix the offense, quick running designed QB run plays.
It's killing the QBs. Use a QB run on short goal line stands, or 3rd and
1, otherwise let Alisa and Williams carry the load. If we run Hill as much as
we did on the last Boise drive, he'll be on injured reserve also. Protect
the QB, don't throw 'em at D linemen and LBs who want to take their
@TopherI agree. I couldn't have said it better myself. I too am
concerned about getting the Freshman Star's feet wet too soon and
destroying him again (although Taysom is far tougher and more mature that Heaps
was). Lark deserves the start. Let him play and let Taysom get some reps
also. I am astounded that Bronco wants to start Nelson even if he is
not 100%. I know Doman doesn't. But I agree that Bronco is probably
concerned that someone might show-up his boy Nelson. That was evident when he
threw Hill under the bus for Bronco's own bad decision to go for the 2point
play.I still think Nelson is the best guy right now for the starting
QB position, ONLY IF HE IS 100% HEALTHY. Otherwise he only hurts the team. He
should not play this weekend.
@eastcoastcougDetmer doesn't have any experience at all, much
less than even Doman. Kinda blows your entire "point" to pieces.
I do not feel Bronco Mendenhal has the backbone to do what needs to be done and
fire Brandon Doman. BYU fans shouldn't have to put up with losses and poor
play calling while Doman "grows" into his position and his
responsibilities just because he is Bronco's buddy.
I'm sorry but any belief one might have in Doman is based on faith, not
evidence. He is predictable, he does not throw the ball downfield near often
enough, especially give our outside receivers and he is far too willing to put
up with illegal procedure calls. and the turnovers, from a senior QB, that
should be intolerable.
"I am the leader, so I'm master of the design. You are perfectly
designed to get the results that you get, and the results we are getting are not
what we want so we have to change the design.""The script
and offense are tailored for Riley right now, and it fits with what Taysom
does," said Doman.How does inserting Hill change the design?
Perhaps the OC position needs rescripting.
After all the positive spin that can be placed on "if" and "could
have been" the bottom line is that the offense is not prepared to play. It appears that Riley is hurt, continue to play him at a mediocre level or
hold him out to heal up? Play him hurt and risk losing him for the season? Everyone wants to see the new guy play, granted I think he is great too.
Didn't we go down this road with Heaps? If we play the new guy without
bringing him up in the system and getting his feet on the ground may prove to do
the same thing as happened with Jake.We have a back up quarterback that
can throw the ball down field. We have a few long threat receivers that can get
down field. We have another bunch of tight ends, backs etc to catch the ball in
the flat. Why aren't we using them?I believe that Lark could do the
job just fine and give Taysom some reps to help him get firmly planted in the
position of Quarterback for next season. Hopefully these questions can be
answered this week.
Doman, The best thing you could do to help the offense is turn in your
papers and let someone with experience take the job. Why we took a guy with no
experience whatsoever to run our offense is a mystery.However, I
know a great coach that's available: Ty Detmer.
Doman is going to be a good Offensive Coordinator. I'm not giving up on the
guy yet.Apo and the other kid are being wasted (see, I can't
even remember his name). If Riley is limited, he shouldn't play. If you
want to use your receivers, go with Lark. Otherwise, let this Hill kid
loose.I love Riley's heart. But a healthy Riley is probably
bearly good enough. A limited Riley is not.
I see that BYU coaches believe that BYU played well against WSU. I didn't
see it that way. I saw the WSU is a very bad team and BYU was just enough
better to win the game. This past weekend Colorado, arguably one of the very
worst teams in college football beat WSU. So BYU is at the level of CU,
arguabkly one of the worst teams in college football. Beating WSU and Weber
State (0-4) will not move BYU ahead of many lower tier teams. They need to beat
Utah and Boise St. Oops. Now I see the problem!!
Having only read the headline, I'm assuming that Brandon Doman has
Accountable???!!!! Since when has anyone been held accountable and changes made
because they were found lacking at that place down south? Doman, rest easy.
Bronco isn't going to fire you because he can't do your job and
doesn't even have the interest to try. By the way, the two of you ought to
get together some time just for fun. Get your stories straight at least. And do you think you are out-foxing Norm this week by not letting on who
will start on Friday? Get real. Hawaii has no defense but lucky for Norm they
won't need one against us. We beat ourselves long before the team ever
runs out on the field and the diehards start beating their chests, pretending we
are world-beaters. This is all so pathetic. A real administration
would've let these inept guys go long ago. Instead, we continue to wallow
in less than mediocrity since that's perfectly acceptable down south.
The offense won't be fixed until it is back to what it once was. In the
"good old days", if we had the ball and 2 minutes left in the game,
there was no doubt that we could score the winning touchdown. Now, we have an
entire game and are lucky to score once. Doman's definition of offense
does not match the traditional definition of offense at BYU. BRING BACK
BYU'S TRADITIONAL OFFENSE!!!!! Anything less and the fans will not be
Is this whole program infected with Bronco business book speak? "I am the
leader, so I'm master of the design. You are perfectly designed to get the
results that you get, and the results we are getting are not what we want so we
have to change the design." What? While that my be conceptually true, how
about some English? Bronco is ultimately accountable because he's the head
coach. He should be highly involved in this. Why is it every year by the third
or fourth game the coaches are "soul searching" and "realize they
are accountable"? How about some straight talk. We aren't good and
offensively we are going to pick a philosophy and stick with it. Get an OC who
hasn't run option his whole life.Agree with another poster,
blah, blah, blah, blah. Riley Nelson is an incredibly tough, outstanding
individual. He's not a D1 QB. Move on. Get rid of the option to the
boundary side. Start throwing the ball. Taysom would have been in a pro-style
offense at Stanford and would have been great. Do the same at BYU. Get to a
creative pro style offense.
Practice is not part of the record. New OC
In 1984 Robbie Bosco played hurt, but did not hurt the team, he played great
dragging that leg around against Michigan. But Nelson hurt the team against Utah
and for certain against Boise; he couldn't run, he couldn't throw, he
couldn't keep the ball out of Boise's hands--he hurt the team. Come on
coach, this is a no-brainer. Sit Nelson for this week, no contact, no pads, no
nothing; let the guy heal. If he doesn't heal, then we've given Hill
some important experience, experience he's going to need over the next five
BYUalum - Have you seen a BYU game? Doman is the OC and is in the booth. The
Unofficial QB's coach is Max Hall (Grad Assistant). He is the one on the
field coach the QB's. Really what needs to happen is this... #1. Weber
needs to go. O-line has been going down hill since he started...Lance R needs
to take his place. The guy can fix anything that is broken..I love Lance R.
#2.Then a real OC and a REAL QB coach needs to be hired and come up with an
offensive scheme that will not pigeon hole BYU with only a running QB. Doman
was a good player however he thrived under Gary who loved the running QB and he
like Max Hall does not really know how to read a defense...Doman needs to be
mentored just like everyone else and a good solid QC would help that. #3.
Players need to be to play because of their talent...not their toughness and
leadership...toughness and leadership can be taught...talent can't. #4.It
maybe close to be collecting a short list of HC candidates in the next two
DN, why did you censure my last post?Is it because I called these
posters vultures and I would rather sit in the middle of the MUSS completely
decked in all my BYU garb than to be associated with this bunch of anonamous
bunch of vindictive buzzards?Maybe it would have helped if I gave my
real name. I'm Mike Brame, class of 85 ish. This isn't
thoughtful football debate, and it isn't even smack. If most of you had
the chance to say to the face of the coach or player the things you are
blathering here, you'd snivel away quicker than suspended boy after the
Utah game. I am ashamed, but not of Riley, not of the coaches, not
of the team. I am ashamed of the people posting here and posing as fans.
What type of comment is this: "That's why he got the offense together
on Monday and told players they have to practice harder, execute better, score
sooner, be nastier and more determined with a greater sense of urgency." The
issue is the play calling and management of the offensive game by the OC and the
Head Coach. When will the AD get involved with this trainwreck and get things
going. This has happened the last 2 weeks. Yes, there are QB's there that
can run an offense but the OC needs to be able to call plays and manage the game
plan. I have seen the Cougars now on TV and in person. I am not sure things are
going to turn around anytime soon. I would not look past Hawaii at this point,
after that, the schedule does not look pretty.
I'm not too worried about the QB situation. If Riley's healthy play
him if not Hill will do good enough against Hawaii especially with some
starter's rep under his belt. What concerns me is this
offensive line. Pretty sure the girl's soccer team plays rougher and
tougher than this group of guys. We have a stable of stud RB's and
they're being wasted.
The BYU Winning Plan: Play Hill. Fire Doman! Against Utah at least 7 off tackle
QB options for ZERO yards! Then calling for a 2pt conversion on a Touchdown at
Boise St? Give us a break. Get Hill ready to play and hope he progresses fast or
at least he is ready for next year's tougher schedule. He will have 3
wideouts and two real Tight Ends to throw too next year!
The problem is if they start Hill, or play him more...like in an overtime, and
he does well, that will make the coaches look bad and more fans will want Hill
over Riley. I don't think Hill we be allowed to show what he can do, just
as they put the brakes on Lark when he came in and did well. Bronco will
protect Riley at all cost...he fields punts you know.
While I am sure much more took place at practice than revealed to the media.
However, it's hard to imagine that great strides can take place over the
course of the next two weeks, after spring and fall practices have gotten the
offense to this mediocre point.I am very surprised at the number of
times we read about the loud crowd noise disrupting their efforts. Geez, what do
they it's like at Notre Dame and SEC or ACC schools stadiums? Oh, wait,
they're going to find out in a few weeks/
I respect Brandon Doman as a player and a coach and dislike all this trash talk
about him. In fact "talk is cheap!" He actually should have a QB coach
and not have to do dual jobs, but that is not his fault. My
suggestion to Coach Doman is: While you are "toughening up the O line",
please work on "toughening up" the play calling from the booth. Be
creative and imaginative and not so predictable. Please don't play Riley
Nelson this game. Let him heal for Utah State. Why continue to have him get
banged up and then possibly be out for the season? Let Hill play and get
experience. He is young, eager, and very good. Riley can be a cheerleader on the
sideline. He is always involved in the game on or off the field! Go
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.....same ol song and dance. Are you kidding me,
all I hear is excuses. This pathetic O starts with the pathetic OC. These
coaches are pathetic, they decide who play and right now, they are banking on a
guy that is hurt, are you kidding me. C'mon Doman, find another job and
please take Weber with you.
Easy fix for the offense. Bench Riley, a glorified linebacker playing QB. And
play, hill. Call up heaps and apologize for picking Riley over him. Playing
Riley has been the biggest mistake in cougs history. Alex Kuresa could lead the
cougs past, hawaii, weber state, and washington state easily with a W. so lets
put in Taysom please, and get back to winning some games. against teams in the
top 25, not teams from the wac