Does anyone know the last time byu beat a team that ended up in the top 25?LOLWant to know how I knew byu would lose last night?Boise is a good team.
Wow. Even Vai is second-guessing Pony Boy.
"It can be done because it has been done"I disagree
complete.25 years ago Lavell was ahead of the times and his
offensive schemes could make up for BYU's lack of true athletes.Unless a byu coach can find a way to revolutionize the game, yes winning a
championship and having firesides ARE mutually exclusive.Vai,You think BYU will EVER have the talent to complete with the likes of
Alabama(as Utah did), Florida, LSU, Oregon, USC?LOL.No.
byu fans will look back at how close you were to a BCS game after this
season.Other than the loss to Utahand boiseand notre
dameand georgia techand utah stateand Oregon stateOther than those - you had a BCS game in your reach!
Home schedule is greatly improved. The Y now has a chance to upset Utah State
and Oregon and the last game of the season should be a classic with arch rival
and independent foe, Idaho!Can BYU say "buy-out"? ESPN
You're a good guy Vai, but I'm constantly surprised to see how hard
you try to stir the mud without success. On the 2 pt conversion play, it WAS a
run pass option. Most likely they were planning on Hill running it, they just
were planning on Stringham forgetting he was supposed to block on the play and
allowing Boise's d-end for force Hill wide and attempt a longer pass. They
tried what you thought they should try....
Brave comments especially when you know coaches so well. This offence
doesn't look like BYU of Old, it plays out like Skyline HS. Riley Nelson
was clearly rattled and reckless in his play. Trying to run over LBs is insane
when your trying to move the ball and you're the general. Those defenders
will take you out in one hit. QBs job is to move the chains. It requires
patience in the pocket to throw. The fact of the program is not just
coaching, but it's recruiting. You have have the players. This issue about
Lark not even getting a chance is arguable. However, what are you going to tell
recruits?? At the other schools here in Utah; the best kid plays. I hear of a
lot of politicizing within BYU. Should every kid have a chance on the field??
The reputation with some players is the coaches are not as honest with their
kids as other programs. Would you want your kid going there?? Depends on which
Wow Vai, that was a little harsh. I get the frustration, beleive me, since we
have to read Chrissy B's ridiculous comments and his constant hate, but
I'm not sure I am with you on the comparison to Lavell. This is a
different era and a different college football environment. I don't think
the comparison works.Having said that, the biggest issue for me was,
why no on-sides kick attempt after the botched 2-pt attempt? Did the coaching
staff just hang their heads and shut down?Also, just how long do we
put up with Doman "learning" how to be an Offensive Coordinator and
"installing" his lousy offense? C'mon man, it's like Unlce
Rico re-living his HS glory days.
@Chris B, time to go for a walk or rewatch a Utah BCS game or something.... Your
comments are not nearly as witty as you seem to think with all your
"LOL"s and what not...
The thought that BYU can win another title because they won in 1984 is like
saying Spain could again become the most powerful country because you read about
the Siglo de Oro. As long as BYU enforces the honor code, they will never win a
Wow - strong comments. Bronco must be feeling the heat today. Vai's correct
though - huge mistake not to kick the extra point, failing program, etc. I
repsect the fact that Vai would be so blunt.
"Why not roll him out on a run-pass option and let him choose Boise
State's fate?"Uh, Vai, given your knowledge and experience
of the game, you may know better, but to THIS particular fan it looked like that
play WAS going to be a run-pass option until #99 of Boise State ran BYU's
right guard 8 yards into the backfield like nothing.
Chrissy B - obsessed much ? Get a life and worry about how you lowlife team
will do on Sat.Vai - BYU's ESPN contract is for 8 yrs.
Don't need to worry about a new contract in year 2.
Chris B - your comments are getting old, although I don't know what you
said. Without fail I see your name and pass by the post without reading it.As far as Vai is concerned, I am disappointed in your 2-point analysis.
The call was clearly for Hill to roll out, with the option to run or throw.
Unfortunately, his offensive line did a horrible job protecting him and the play
was doomed from the start.I have watched BYU sports for many years
and remember all too well the "vanilla" label applied to Edwards. The
fans used to get upset becasue Edwards was too predictable. He never took a
chance or took a risk. It was refreshing, even thought it failed, to see BYU go
for 2. I support Bronco 100% in that decision.BYU had the momentum,
the first time all night, and I liked our chances at a 2-point conversion versus
sending the game into overtime. However, not even OT was guaranteed. There was
still well over 3 minutes remaining when BYU scored - ample time for Boise to
score again.Bronco made the right call in my humble opinion.
@Runner, I thought the same thing about onside kicks, both in this game and the
Utah game, but when they didn't even mention it as an option during the
post game show, I knew something was up. The NCAA changed the rules this year
and basically made the onsides kick impossible to execute successfully.
The two point conversion was completely the wrong call. BYU had finally moved
the ball on offense and the defense played lights out all night, take your
chances and go for OT. Boise obviously didn't want the game to come down
to field goals. As a coach you have to know what your teams strengths are, for
BYU right now that strength is defense so let them try to win the game. If they
were going to go for 2 they should have at least run the play away from #99 he
played a fantastic game and blew up the play forcing Hill to pass. I think he
really wanted to run but was forced to far back off the line.
I usually find myself agreeing with Vai.However...I
can't remember any sports team ever signing a contract where they
guaranteed a certain level of performance. ESPN are big boys. ESPN and BYU
signed a contract because it was good for both parties.
Vai hits it out of the park; againKick the PAT. Let your defense,
which had been stellar all night long, stop Boise St. Play OT on a short field.
BYU had the FG kicker advantage.
Disappointed to see Vai resort to the "blame" card. The play was
clearly an option for Hill to run the ball if the pass wasn't there.
However, the center blew the block causing Hill to lose the run option. Seemed
pretty clear to me.If BYU had been successful on that play we would
be praising Hill, Bronco and Doman for the guts to go for it. Vai, you've
played ball long enough to know that things don't always work out the way
you expect.It is so easy to criticize after the fact. I really
expected more from Vai. You you should know better.As always, go
This continues and the rest of the byU alumni will come out and say the same
things. On the radio the other day, Jason Buck was hinting to the
fact that most alumni are not happy with what the program has become. He said
that Lavell "compartmentalized" the football and religious aspects at
byU but that Bronco just can't do it. There have been some
great firesides in Provo lately but just not very many great wins.
It's too late Vai,Obituary:Boise ID (AP) - BYU Football,
with offensive passing schemes that once revolutionized college football, and
nearly mythologized themselves into the country's favorite college passing
team, finally died Thursday evening from multiple complications, primarily due
to poor coaching disease. The football program was 90 years old.
Wow--not even Vai is willing to give BSU credit for having won this game. With
all of your talk about leadership and sportsmanship--wouldn't this have
been a good time to give kudos to the Broncos for having a little bit to do with
@ Chris BGive it a rest, show some class.Go Utes!!
Chris B LAst team who ended in top 25 and lost to BYU was Utah in 2009.
Totally agree with Vai!The coaching decision was botched.
Does BYU beat Hawaii next week?You know Chow is motivated...You know Hawaiians can play some tough football...You know BYU is in
transition...I think the only person who has the wisdom to answer
this one is Chris B...Oh wise one...what sayest thou?
Well, I'm convinced. Chris B is an tween girl. He might . . MIGHT . . be a
boy, but no adult would employ such gratuitous use of "LOL."Really; every post is "Something something something, everything BYU has
done, is doing and ever will do is pathetic yet I spend 2/3 of my time thinking
about it blah blah blah.""LOL!"Do you think
she really laughs out loud when he's typing LOL?
Bro. Vai- I'm giving you a big, resounding Amen! Thank you for a much, much
needed critical analysis of our Cougs and the coaching. I haven’t found
such balanced analysis from this paper other than from you! I honestly
couldn't agree with you any more: "Tom Holmoe better get BYU into a
conference quickly." That's assuming that the BYU sports admin. can
shrink a little pride. They’re far from the Shangri-La of football
programs. "I wouldn't blame ESPN if it feels like it was sold a bill of
good" Bingo! Thank you for being critical of Bronco's 2-point fiasco.
Your analysis is spot on. "These were precisely the kind of situations
LaVell Edwards mastered." Ouch, but true! Bronco's the head-coach over
the entire team, not just the defense. The offense has struggled mightily!
"BYU's program should be a lot further along than it is." Again,
game, set and match. I love my Cougs, I honestly do. But this team is far from
progressing. Join a conference and stop this nonsense of a “national
championship.” It aint happening.
Whether we go for two or not will be debated for a long time BUT we need to get
this offense going and do we have the right people in place to do it?
RE: kitsutsuki "Disappointed to see Vai resort to the "blame"
card." You Cougs fans within happy valley should really get outside of Utah
and then get a fresher perspective of the team. What you describe as the
"blame card", I view clearly as a much needed, critical analysis. You
want the nat'l TV audiance watching what the Cougs have regressed to over
the past two weeks? Bronco canned a DC at a similar time 2 years ago when the
defense was clearly sputtering. Seems like similar action is needed on the
While I agree with vai's points here his credibility to make these
complaints is non existent. We all know from his articles that he is much more
of a utah "fan" now and that he dislikes Bronco a great deal. He is
still bitter because Bronco did not give Mark Atuaia the rb coach position, and
he insinuated Bronco didn't give it to him because he is polynesian. vai I have no problem with being upset at how the coaching is going but
you've left far to many articles on here that show it is a personal
vendetta for you and because of that I dismiss your rant completely. Go hang out
with whittingham.Oh and by the way, I am extremely irritated with
the poor coaching going on right now.
It's ultimately the coaches who have to take the heat but BYU needs a
quarterback in the worst possible way. Riley Nelson is a good kid, a scrapper,
maybe even a leader of sorts. But he definitely is NOT a major college QB.
Unless/until Mendenhall et. al. figure that out, ESPN dumping BYU will be only
one problem with which Bronco will have to wrestle.
Vai is right on, again. Thank you for being honest, Vai. Some people here feel
BYU and Bronco can do no wrong, and are taking the truth to be hard, as it
were.I'm wondering if Bronco is missing Jake Heaps now.
Well said. Now if only Bronco would actually take it to heart! It seems that
Bronco and Doman are trying to change the tradition at BYU. They are doing this
regardless of what the fans want. If they continue along this path, there
won't be any fans left!
This was the Boise St. show, not BYU. Your hypothesis is history. Not relevant
to any of BYU's programs during the last decade.
OUCH!As usual Vai's article was insightful and painfully
honest.Frankly neither Boise State nor BYU looked ready for Prime
Time last night. Who would of thought two of the most prolific offenses in NCAA
history would have this much trouble moving the ball? BYU's two-point
conversion attempt at the end was a shocker. I was also stumped by Boise
State's attempt to convert a 4th down and 7 from BYU's 20 rather than
kick a field goal. You mean to tell me that BSU literally has nobody that can
kick a field goal? Are these two Defenses really that impenetrable or are these
two offenses really that bad? Either way, I wish there had been an
alternate game that wasn't this painful to watch.Great article
Vai. You captured the moment perfectly.
Thank you VAI, We love you here in Boston!!!! Glad to see someone is
still telling the truth about BYU Football. My heart goes out to
Riley Nelson.... no one starts a game wanting to do poorly. But he has got to
fight back. He is a GREAT QB... and has made some great throws. Be confident and
tear some opponents up man. BYU doesn't have the talent to
compete... NO. Remember BYU beat OU in Dallas, Texas? Anyone forget?
Vai is a 2 time pro-bowler... listen up folks!Time for BYU to back
up the hype with performance. They have the talent.. not time for the heart.
Wow, for once I disagree with Vai. I liked the gutsy 2-pt. conversion call and
I think that BYU cannot recruit the same quality of athlete these days as is
found in top 10 programs. Those top athletes don't want to play football
for a Mormon school with an honor code. That is the Truth Vai. Unfortunately
that is the sad truth. 1984 was an anomaly. I bleed blue but you have to admit
ESPN signed up for BYU to help them get advertiser dollars. Period. As long as
people are watching the game, BYU's contract will be renewed.
I wonder if Chrissy was wearing his checkered shirt and white suspenders when he
They need a new OC.It's fairly simple folks.
"But winning championships, with class, all the while producing world-class
graduates who will bless the world and the LDS Church are not mutually
exclusive."Yes, they are. BYU wants it to go both ways but it
can't, won't, never will. If BYU wants to win
championships it has to get rid of Bronco and find a coach who gets ready for
the big games and plays to win. It will also have to drop the honor code so
future Jim McMahons can play in Provo. If BYU wants its football
program to be a squeaky clean fire-side experience, it needs to forget about
winning...BTW Vai and Cougar Fans - Sports can be good *PR* for the
Y and even the church...but sports are not, never have been, and never will be
"While I agree with vai's points his credibility to make these
complaints is non existent."I was saying just the other day that
Ducky is much more credible than Vai Sikahema when it comes to coaching and byU
@ ReaderStill taken back when the coaching staff did not call for an
on-side kick after the failed two-point conversion. With 3:37 to play and no
timeouts this was a no-brainer. At the end BSU ended up at mid-field in any
case due to the excellent kick-off return. Same as they would have been with a
failed on-side attempt.And who wouldn't have loved to see a
Statue of Liberty fake on the two-point attempt? Payback for Boise's
trickery against Oklahoma in 2008 Fiesta Bowl.Really thought that we
had done away with such a predictable play-calling once Robert Anae was let go.
Doman seems to have fallen into the same rut and it's killing us. Two
amazing WRs in Apo and Hoffman and we almost never try and stretch the field.
Poor Riley Nelson giving up two game winning plays in two weeks.
First Lee's fumble-six last week followed by the pick six this week.The Defense was absolutely lights-out AMAZING!
BYU's defense is good, perhaps leaning to very good. I'll have to
wait on great. This is actually the second game Boise State's offense
couldn't get the ball in the end zone. When the Broncos played quality
teams (and yes I'll put BYU in this category), their defense scored while
their offense couldn't penetrate past the goal line. But on the other hand
Boise State's defense, like BYU's, looks ready for the prime time.
The reality is probably this: BYU's offense isn't as bad as it looked
and its defense isn't as good/great as everyone thinks it is. The defense
is better than the offense (for both clubs) most certainly and this led to an
ugly football game last night.And while Bronco made some boneheaded
decisions, Peterson was equally as bad (refusing twice to kick a FG deep in BYU
territory, one of which would have put his team up two scores). He avoids
scrutiny because team fortunately won. And I'm a Peterson and Bronco
(Mendenhall) fan but these two certainly wouldn't have been mistaken for
Bill Walsh last night.
I will admit I was shocked to see the Cougars going for two. Then I thought
about how well they had just moved the ball down the field and figured it might
work. But I agree with Vai that the play they attempted on the conversion was
completely out of sync with what had been working so well on the last few plays
of their scoring drive. It was a real head scratcher.In retrospect,
the decision to go for two was the kind of decision I would expect a coach like
Gary Crowton to make. Mendenhall has always been much more pragmatic and
conventional. I can only assume that he has been stung by the criticism coming
from fans and media-types the last few days that he's not as emotionally
involved in the game as he should be.So, for what it's worth,
Bronco, here's my advice: Forget the critics. Be yourself. If that's
too boring, who cares? You've had a lot of success the last eight years
with that model. Don't try to change it now.
Does anyone know Robert Anae's tel# or a way to get a hold of Jake Heaps?
@Ben HAnd more people will continue to watch - hence more money - IF
the team is winning. It's a circular argument that Vai wins. I for one am
not excitesd to watch any more BYU football this season as long as Riley is the
quarterback, which is the formula for losing.
Maybe it's like the Sports Illustrated cover curse. You get your own
network and start losing. Think Notre Dame - NBC.
Nobody has mentioned Hill missing #82, Kaneakua Friel, open across the middle of
the end-zone, waving his arms, on the 2 point try.
Duckhunter,Who are you to question the credibility of such an
accomplished player, broadcaster and Church leader? It's too bad you
can't give anyone credit if they show the least little bit of friendliness
toward the Utes. That is the type of attitude that perpetuates the bad behavior
between Utes and Cougars. BYU would be better off without fans like you.As for the two point conversion attempt, an obvious mistake. Yes, BYU
had the momentum, but their defense was their strong suit all night. Tie the
game up, let your defense stop Boise like they had done all night, and then beat
them in overtime. I was shocked at the decision.
Who LOVES watching BYU football anymore? I'm not talking about students
I'm talking about long time fans. Anyone? This brand of - whatever it is -
totally stinks!! You know you bring in Robert Anae and for several years you
have John Beck and Max Hall lighting up the scoreboard and BYU getting 400 - 500
yards offense. Now BYU gets 60 yards passing and barely over 100 yards offense
against Boise. So what has changed with the offense? The coordinator and the
QB!!! Ever sense Doman took over BYU has lost its identity as I predicted it
would two years ago. Doman's run and boot might work at Air Force but not
at BYU and it is past time that either Bronco or Tom get a new coordinator.
Better still I would love to see Bronco leave after his contract is up this
year. BYU needs a fresh start. This isn't BYU football what we are seeing
here ... this is some sort of experiment gone bad.
I'm pretty shocked at Vai's bold commentary! I think he's
overstepping his bounds by taking his frustrations public.I love
Vai's "human interest" columns in the DNews... normally. But for
him to go off in a sports-related rant seems so out-of-place and
uncharacteristic for him.Personally, I've thought for many
years that the Y should just DROP their football program completely. Get out of
that racket; it's such a misfit for BYU! Give it up and focus on what BYU
is really there for!!
ChrisB must be too young to realize those "non athletes" that made up
those Edwards teams were ending up in the pros...27 from the Rosters of the
82-86 teams whose players won the NC in 1984.
Not sure what you all are upset about...BYU/Nelson did throw the game winning
touchdown.....unfortunately it was to BoiseAlso, I seem to recall
many fans last year complaining that BYU's coaches were only playing
"not to lose" instead of "playing to win"I think
that 2-point shot was a GREAT call TO WIN, rather than just playing not to lose.
Sometimes you lose the gamble. If the play had worked you all, including the
supposed "expert", Vai, would have been calling Doman a genius
"Wow--not even Vai is willing to give BSU credit for having won this game.
With all of your talk about leadership and sportsmanship--wouldn't this
have been a good time to give kudos to the Broncos for having a little bit to do
with the outcome?"xert - How can you say with a straight face
that BSU deserves "kudos" in this game? The kudos, if any,
should go to the BYU defense for their performance when their backs were against
the wall big time. Both offenses stunk up the joint big time.
Vai was absolutely right about this game on some of his calls, the 2 point
conversion was a horrible call and there's no way to justify it. With that
much time left you have a chance for a 3 and out and a chance to get into field
goal range, and when your tied the pressure is not near as much as if your
behind. Second, Boise's kicking game was bad, so even if it went to
overtime, the guy already missed one from inside the 20, he does that again and
we win on a field goal. If your on the other side would you want the game to
come down to your kicker? They would go for it on 4th down when they had a 30+
yard field goal, so they don't want to rely on a kicker who missed with
less pressure earlier in the game. 2nd thing going for it on 4th in the red zone
earlier was stupid, in a low scoring game take 3 pts, but instead Riley throws a
pick and we get nothing. Wouldn't of had to go for 2 if we kicked it there.
I said it before and I say it again. FIRE DOMAN! He is our own worst enemy and
we will not get an ounce better until his untalented butt is out of the Cougar
Vai, you are 100% emphatically wrong on this. ESPN did not sign a contract with
BYU with a guarantee of certain performance. If they did you had better show the
contract. Success of the 'marquee' team being spotlighted on ESPN is
not, has never been and will never be what draws advertiser money into a
station's pockets. The viewers do! And, there are fans for BYU just like
there were for the Utes during their stink years where they made perfect punch
lines for jokes that watch the team win or lose. I'll bet that ESPN is VERY
grateful for the BYU/BSU game last night. And, that audience will be there every
time! There are moer for us than against us. Or at least enough to offset the
naive and uninformed.
ESPN got their money's worth on the Utah game.As for all the
hand wringing - we lost 2 close games (although losing to Utah is like losing
5), and probably should have won them both. Probably would've won them
both if Nelson hadn't been playing with the injury of if he had been pulled
in the Utah game. I'm optimistic if Hill takes over. Sad to say that --
I've been a Nelson fan, but don't see him getting it together this
season. Totally agree the 2 point attempt made no sense. We had
the momentum, but no way could we guarantee 3 yards on a small field. Our
chances were much better in OT. Also agree the play calling has been terrible.
Patriot, you are a good man! I agree with you whole heartedly. Doman is the
worst coordinator BYU has suffered through since 1969. And, perhaps Bronco
should just take his fireside emphasizing bum on the road too. It is time for a
fresh start. Just start over with say Steve Young... I bet he could do what
nobody since Lavell left has had the brains to do... Produce BYU quality
football that he himself played a huge part of during that era.
Which offensive coordinator will be gone first? Doman or BJ?
Vai....until BYU attracts a better class of coach than Bronco or Whit, BYU will
never see the days Edwards brought every year! We need a Holmgren type at BYU!
There is a reason why the church ended athletics at BYU-Idaho. Just look at the
importance these 'fans' and writer place on a game. No matter how you
slice it up, it is still a game. Most sports heroes place way too much value on
what good a championship team at BYU does for the church. My good samaritan next
door neighbor does more good than all the BYU championships combined.
Championships in most cases just produces vanity and arrogance, something that
is quite evident here. Give me a break!
Okay Vai, why not you become the Head Coach and demote Bronco to be D's
As I look at college football in the state of Utah over the last two years, I
have come to the conclusion that Coach Anderson at Utah State has done the most
with the talent he has. Whit recruits well, and seems solid all the way around,
and Bronco seems like he is in over his head.Even though Anderson
was a D-Coordinator, he seems to have a better overall feel for the game than
Bronco does. There is no justification for some... sorry, for most of the moves
he has made with his team. The BS game was just another example of why a
tougher schedule in coming years will hurt BYU more than help. You can have 20
HD trucks, but if you continue to play like this, nobody is going to care. BYU
is a D-1 school, and needs a D-1 caliber coach. I'm not talking Nick Saban
caliber, but they need better that Tony the Pony.
Thanks for your great insight Bro. Obvious. I, however, agreed with Bronco on
the 2 point conversion. BYU's kicking game hasn't been exactly
BYU's kicking game may not have been at its best.But, probability of
making a PAT is still higher than making a 2-pt conversion.Going for
a PAT and not making it looks smarter thangoing for a 2-pt and not making
it.In either way, with BYU D was playing decently, notgoing for on
side kick in either scenario...made thecoach looked very
"amateurish".Bronco made the right decision because it
exposed his coaching skills in front of national audience justlike
BYU football has been exposed the last 2 seasonsin ESPN.
I understand much of the frustration BYU fans have with Bronco. But he is the
right guy for your program. Bronco is doing things the way the administration at
BYU wants him to do it.The days of LaVell are not her any more.
College football has caught up to replicate and not be caught off guard by a
west coast offense anymore. BYU has better athletes overall now than
they had with LaVell, but not by much. Players are bigger, faster, and stronger
in general now. Still, the way Bronco recruits is limiting to the program in
keeping up with other top programs. Lavell recruited athletes if he
could get them. He then won over their heart in trying to fit into the culture.
Currently, BYU's brand name is bigger and they get players they used to not
get. That is except for QBs. When BYU was a passing phenomenon, they attracted
big name QBs (even non-Mormon ones like McMahon, Sarkesian, and Detmer (who was
later baptized).BYU hasn't been a passing beacon of an offense
for quite some time, so getting a star QB is tough, like it is for most schools
I don't know Y vail and bYu fans get so worked up about not playing like
it's '83.I don't hear Army fans getting worked up
about not playing like it's '43orMinnasota fans weeping
that if they can only get back to playing like '32
I seem to remember when BYU signed on with ESPN part of that agreement ment BYU
had to perform to ESPNs standards. That being said, they would still have the
contract and keep BYU, but they would be on the stations that are shown
everywhere. And anybody that follows sports knows it isn't true that a
contract is a contract. Look how may coaches have lost their jobs even though
they have a contract!One last comment...Even you die hard BYU fans have to
admit, the best play of the game was watching Bronco running around like a crazy
man! I've always wanted to see more emothion from him but that was a little
embarassing to watch.
This is an article that Vai should have written and then stuck in a locked
drawer, never to see the light of day. He clearly must have written it shortly
after the game when in an overly emotional state. It was not up to his usual
standards.By the way, no comment of Chis B should ever see the light
Bronco is a poor head coach. The only time you go for two is if you are up by
one or five and there is no chance you will get the ball back.
Vai:THANK YOU for saying what so many of us have been thinking for
some time now.
I'm a Ute fan and I am sick to death of Chris B. and his comments. Get a
Chris BSalt Lake City, UTbyu fans will look back at how close you
were to a BCS game after this season.Other than the loss to Utahand boiseand notre dameand georgia techand utah stateand Oregon stateOther than those - you had a BCS game in your
reach!___________________The will lose one of the last
two games of the season on the road. Go Spartans!
Despite my history as a well established Bronco defender, I appreciate the
publication of this refreshingly edgy commentary as well as many of the
subsequent comments (I commend DN for not filtering even the most inane of
these). Some opinions: The decision to go for 2 was beyond
mindless. The Bayesian part of me recoiled immediately upon seeing this folly
unfold. While one has to admire his grittiness, Nelson should have
acknowledged the severity of his injury and given Hill and Lark the bulk of the
reps during the limited practices in the few days available for preparation. Neither Bronco nor Peterson displayed anything resembling their reputed
coaching intelligence in this game. Neither BSU nor BYU are top 25
This might not be popular with fellow BYU fans. But I would take Mike Leach as
our coach about now. He is the closest we would ever get to Edwards style of
football. He will have Washington State playing a high octane passing game soon
enough wit the right players.
Fact of the matter is they should of pulled Riley on the fumble he had. Although
it was a tough play from the blindside but he didn't have at and was lost
back there. It would be a different story had they put in Hill earlier in the
game. He clearly is a better athlete than Riley and has a better arm. But how he
looked in the pocket was a if he never took any snaps in practice field in
College Football. My biggest issue is that Doman doesn't improve his
offensive players and especially QB's. Doman himself was a great athlete
but not a good passer . He was a great runner/ passer and that is how his
QB's have looked. The mark of a good coach is how you make your players
better!! if Bronco starts Riley he should be fired!! Riley is not a D-1 QB.
Sorry love your GRIT but need more than that at the college level!!
BYU is without a doubt in trouble with ESPN, they have had numerous chances to
be worthy to be on the network but have failed miserably. Why would ESPN keep
showing byu games, you had three chances to win last week and whatever you call
that joke last night, WOW. Just aint going to happen, the football program at
the y is on a great big yellow slip n slide, you are headed right back where you
Alpine cougLet Oklahoma pay Boise back, byu has never and never will
be in the Fiesta Bowl. BYU had absolutley nothing to do with that game.
-- Posted in two segments because of length -- @bandersen I admire your boldness in trying to inject some important overarching
considerations into a discussion originally centered on a specific BYU athletic
event. Your comments prompted the type of unpleasant introspection that I
usually try hard to avoid. The case you make has both logical and
“spiritual” merit and a number of my relatives who are BYU graduates
share your view. Some even contend that the perfect storm for BYU football in
1984 did more PR damage than good. At present, BYU’s supporting
institution (the Church to which most BYU students/graduates belong) considers
BYU’s participation in intercollegiate athletics to be a useful tool in
achieving its broader mission (the idea that BYU athletics can be separately
“compartmentalized” from other more spiritually oriented
Church-directed endeavors runs counter to this view and Bronco Mendenhall
clearly understands this). The actual value of BYU athletics in achieving lofty
saintly goals legitimately can be questioned as you have done and the
counter-arguments supporting your position would likely prevail in any real
Response to @bendersen, part 2:I agree that the fanaticism toward
and time devoted to BYU athletics by many otherwise intelligent individuals
(myself included) begs a rational explanation. I have none. In fact, when I
think seriously about how much time and angst I invest in following BYU football
and how much a loss affects my mood I am more than a little embarrassed. You
may be on to something @bandersen.
I agree with Alpine Coug! Bronco needs to have a PPI with Bro. Doman. Don't
put all the blame on Riley. Doman never called a pass play over 10 yards long.
If you watched the replays of Rileys interceptions in the 2nd half, there is not
one BYU reciever that has less than 2 guys within 5 yards of them. BSU pulled
there safties up and dared Doman to call a fly or fade or deep post and he never
did. Riley doesn't have the strongest arm in the world, but we saw him
deliver a nice pass in the final seconds of the Utah game. If Doman would learn
how to call a game BYU might be 4-0 and in the top 20.
Guys, Bronco is in the top 10 in the nation in winning percentage. This is the
problem with sports these days! Good coaches are canned way too often because
of un-realistic fans! It was 1 game! 1 game! If you want to point fingers,
point them at Riley. He accounted for 90% of BYU's problems in both games
against BSU and UTAH. He tried to do way too much against Utah and you could
tell he was injured even in that game. Give credit to BSU and UTAH for not
making mistakes to cost them the game. Riley should have never been in the game
against BSU! When you can't even throw a quick out to the short side of the
field, you are too hurt to play and you have no business throwing a 20 yd corner
to the endzone! If Riley is healthy, that throw would have been pitch and
catch. Hoffman was open and in position to make the over the top catch, but
Riley's pass was about 7 yds short. He should have went to the coaches
right there and pulled himself...
From the game. That said, BYU's D has allowed lees than 300 yds of offense
in 10 straight games now. I'd say that is pretty spectacular! This D is
something special! Anyway Cougar fans, let's all just calm
down and realize that BYU had a chance in both of their losses, no matter how
poorly the offense has played. You can thank the D for that. If Doman can
learn to call a consistent game, we'll be just fine. Lastly,
for those who say we can't get the 'elite' QB's anymore,
heaps was a top 5 QB in his class (all hype), Hill was highly recruited and will
be a great QB when he learns more than 8 plays, Riley was good enough to be
recruited by Boise (I'm not saying he's elite), tanner mangum was a
top 10 QB recruit, etc. so I'm not buying it.Alright, one more
thing, BYU needs to be in a conference, period. They will be in the Big East
within the next 2 years. That is all!
Chrissy B seems to harp on the firesides - a very powerful recruiting tool for
both the school and the team, no doubt, and I have to wonder what the point is
in doing so. (I am probably assigning more intellectual accuity there than
there really is, but in trying to meet DN's standards, er, lip service at
respect...)I suspect Chris B., like most of the BYU haters who adopt
the useless Utes as their fairweather team, is simply attacking the quality of
people BYU attracts and admits, and its unwavering adherence to such standards
in a plummeting world. And why would that be? Simple. Rejection. By one side
or the other, Chrissy B and his ilk couldn't be admitted to, accepted by,
or likely make a positive impression upon anyone associated with the
University.Two losses, by a combined four points, on two lucky plays
has the Cougar faithful in the dumps, for sure, but we are not to be deterred by
the likes of Chrissy B's vain and shallow unwitticisms in our support for
the solidly class-act that BYU is in any arena or stage, and the foundations
built on campus.
All sports aside, and notwithstanding Vai's edgy, but honest comparison of
the strengths of current program to programs of our relished memories, there has
been a significant, marked advancement in the honor and integrity that surrounds
BYU Sports these days compared to the programs of yesteryear. While the BYU
teams today struggle to measure up to the win-loss columns and national
prominence of the McMahon, Young, and Ainge eras, when they do, if even for a
game, today's teams under leaders like Mendenhal and Rose, as a group, are
much more closely aligned with not only who they really are, but what BYU is all
about at its core. Too many past coaches and fans alike are okay with BYU being
a bit less true to its core, as long as the win-loss column was fine. The older
I get, I get further removed from that kind of thinking, even though a game like
Thursday was difficult to watch. I like the path that BYU has taken which has
as its goal the restoration of past greatness matched with integrity. That path
is clearly Tradition, Spirit, Honor --come what may, win or lose.
This is exactly why football should not be the focus at BYU. Didn't we
already see one coach run out of Provo because he couldn't be Lavell
Edwards? Come on, get your priorities straight. Football is only a game.
Wow, look at all of the Utesies and the BYU faithful bandwagon fans coming
together. Such a kumbaya moment to dog pile on the coach and program.While I was disappointed with the game as much as anyone, it is just one game.
Plenty of games and time to correct some stupid problems. If it takes several
games for the QB problem to correct itself, so be it. It is what it is. Nothing
we can do as fans except to show our support and be patient.So
I'm wondering, if the Utes lose today will there be such an outpouring of
discontent for Johnson, Whit and any poor performing players?
No Conference Will Take UsThe only thing truly unpopular and screams
loathing is your failed attempts at impersonating a BYU fan. I look
forward to seeing the Utes getting pounded today. Maybe that will
cheer up all of the 'doom and gloom' around here. It certainly
brightens up my day remembering how the Utes were destroyed by Colorado last
year and owned by a WAC team, USU, a couple of weeks ago!Yep, I feel
"While I agree with vai's points here his credibility to make these
complaints is non existent. We all know from his articles that he is much more
of a utah "fan" now and that he dislikes Bronco a great deal"How do you like that Vai, despite your many years as an athlete,
supporter and Ambassador for BYU you made the mistake of having an opinion you
didn't clear with the self appointed oracle of everything BYU.And no troll, I don't know that he is more of a Utah fan. Just because
somebody's opinion differs from yours it doesn't mean they are they
are less of a Cougar fan, it just means they don't suscribe your narrow
view of what it means to be a fan. Take a breath and relax little
Vai, you have no idea what you are talking about.
I have never been all that impressed with Mendenhall and have made no secret
about it. I don't agree that BYU football is all about preaching the gospel
of Jesus Christ. I think football is just football. However, if a team has the
reputation of being exceptionally good sports, play a clean game, and are
gracious in victory and in defeat, it can be good public relations for the team
and for the school. HOWEVER, this is not what we have seen over the last few
years (Max Hall's rant FOR WHICH HE WAS NEVER PUNISHED is just one that
comes to mind). You can have all the firesides you want but if you shoot your
mouths off, it more than offsets the good those firesides may have done. I have
never understood the intense loyalty to Mendenhall exhibited by some BYU fans
(reminds me of iphone loyalty). Vai has done nothing more than speak the
obvious. I would like to see BYU clean house and start over from scratch with a
brand new coaching staff.
@mlh"byu has never and never will be in the Fiesta Bowl."Uh....BYU played in the Fiesta Bowl 30 years before utah ever did. LOL!
17-14 Hurts Don't It? said:"No Conference Will Take UsThe only thing truly unpopular and screams loathing is your failed
attempts at impersonating a BYU fan. I look forward to seeing the
Utes getting pounded today. Maybe that will cheer up all of the
'doom and gloom' around here. It certainly brightens up my day
remembering how the Utes were destroyed by Colorado last year and owned by a WAC
team, USU, a couple of weeks ago!Yep, I feel better already!"Lookee here. A BYU fan with no vision of their program. It's ok to
cry and be bitter. Your BCS busting chase is over. OVER!
@proud uteYour obsession with me, evidenced by your multiple posts
in reply to only one of mine, is endearing. LOL!
Sammyg asks, "So I'm wondering, if the Utes lose today will there be
such an outpouring of discontent for Johnson, Whit and any poor performing
players?"An interesting question. I hope my Utes get by the Sun
Devils this evening, but Vegas expects them to lose. If that happens (and I
obviously hope it doesn't), I doubt there will be as much of an
"outpouring of discontent" by the Ute fanbase as we have seen by the BYU
faithful in the last week.Way too much drama among the Cougar fans,
in my opinion....
Play Lark, you need a passer and he is it. With a poor offensive line use Lark
and bring Hill along slowly with spot plays so he is ready for next year. You
don't want to lose Hill for next year.
ASU by 17 today over Utah. BYU 6-6 for the season. Utah 6-6 for the season.Go root for a good team, y'all, like maybe them purty ducks......
The QB situation and the offense has been mostly a mess for the past 3 years.
Let's stop being cute with starting freshman and atypical players. Time for
a personnel change among the coaching staff.
The funny thing about this is, BYU fans are just now realizing how bad their
team and coaching staff is. What they don't understand is BYU has been
this bad since Bronco took over (save 06 and 07). Since Bronco took over BYU is
14-20 against teams currently in a BCS conference. After this season he will
most likely be 14-23. BYU thought they were great with 10 win seasons against
Idaho and New Mexico State. This is the reality BYU needed to face long before
this season began.
@ SAMMY G, 17-14 & Daffy DuckFunny how things change over time.
Over a quarter century ago, most Ute fans cheered for Utah and whomever played
BYU. BYU fans didn't care who Utah played - Utah was irrelevant. It was
the Ute's who bashed their coaches and administration. Now it appears you,
17-14 and Daffy cheer for Utah's opponents, citing every flaw, every loss .
. . especially Colorado. And worse, criticize BYU coaching only weeks after
bragging of their superiority over Whitt and staff. Oh the hypocrisy!So, please wear your Buffs, Devils, Aggie and Huskies gear with pride and keep
the comments coming. In the meantime, we'll enjoy Utah's schedule
(even the losses), the talent of our opponents, and our coaches and players. But
honestly, we love the irony. Keep the (Utah) opponent bandwagon coming. Makes
for great reading.Go Utes, Aggies, even BYU and the PAC-12 - except
when they play the Utes.
One "loyal" BYU fan wants Doman's job, as he is sure Doman called
no pass plays aimed more than 10 yards beyond the line of scrimmage. I
don't know how he can know that, but I sure would like someone to tell me
what channel is broadcasting from the sideline, the press box above, or the
huddle.Get a grip, people, college football these days involves
people a lot faster and more accomplished than when you were a high school BMOC,
and unless watched the film on BSU's defensive schemes, assessed the speed
and blitz packages they employ, and you were inside Riley's helmet and
getting all his reads transmitted, I would guess you are in over your head.
Vai takes a view of BYU football that is simply too narrow. Look at the price
of college football contracts nationally, with many conferences in the billions
of dollars with teams that do not match the national following of BYU. Given
BYU's national following, win or lose, ESPN will continue to see a great
deal of value in BYU football. Advertisers pay a premium for live sporting
events, and as long as they do ESPN will make plenty of money on the BYU
contract.Meanwhile, Vai is ignoring that BCS teams are also taking
in large amounts of money through state subsidies. USA Today reports that the
subsidy for the Utes athletic department is almost $10 million per year. Vai - if you are going to talk about money, why not talk about how BCS
teams should not be receiving funding? Why not start by talking about how it is
time for the Ute athletic department to be self-supporting? There is no excuse
for BCS teams to be taking state money out of the state's education funding
when they have billion dollar TV contracts. They should be paying some of that
TV money into the education fund.
Vai, Vai, Vai. Give. Me. A. Break. Why the hyperventilating about the ESPN
contract over two *very close* games in 2012 when it doesn't run its course
until 2019? BYU is twelve inches and four points from a perfect season, thus
far. Take a breath. Do you seriously think ESPN believed there would be no
defense-oriented outcomes in eight years of play? The fact is that today's
game will have zero impact on that still-84-months-distant renewal decision.
Your entire premise is nonsense, and I just can't figure out your
motivation for ever bringing it to print.
@PGVikingDadVai's motivation is his personal dislike of Bronco.
He's stated it here while trying to be cryptic about it. Bronco did not
hire Mark Atuaia as the RB coach and it made Vai mad. Now it could be that Mark,
a guy I admire a great deal by the way, might have been an excellent rb coach
and I hope he still gets an opportunity some day, but head coaches need to be
able to hire the guys they feel are best suited for the job at the time. Bronco
may have been wrong and hired the wrong guy, but Vai shouldn't make it
personal, especially publicly.
Unbelievable... Even though I am a LOYAL BYU fan... the bravado of
these comments are amazing. Don't worry about the ESPN contract???W-O-W.When are we going to realize that there is way too much hype
in this program? In Texas you NEVER see the 'BYU level hype' around
TCU. TCU comes out almost every year and SPANKS almost everyone they play. Where's their ESPN contract? We all need to wake up and listen to a
REAL NFL PLAYER, PRO-BOWLER, and EMMY AWARD WINNER. As easy as ESPN contracts
come, they can quickly go. Keep it going VAI..... let PERFORMANCE do
the TALKING across all BYU programs - athletic and academic. GO BYU!
Vai is 100 percent correct. I have always defended Bronco but this team is under
performing. The hiring of Doman is bad enough to cost Bronco his job. The qb
needed was Lark but for some reason they wanted Riley jr in the game. If I was
the AD I'd fire the whole staff after the year is done.
It is far past time to have a reality check. This fan reaction is not just in
the shadow of the embarrassment in Boise on Thursday night. It is 3 straight
losses to Utah and the real fear that is developing of having a very
disappointing season like we haven't suffered since Crowton embarrassed us
just prior to his termination. We watched Doman as a QB and all that mess
entailed. We know that it is him and not Bronco that muffed the game last week
and this week. It is the shadow of two straight losses after beating not going
anywhere WSU squared. Kind of funny, but that is the reality. Weber State and
Washington State are both Universities with as much a punch as a child with no
arms. People are way right in saying that Vai is wrong with his assessment of
Espn being upset with their contract. What an off base and relatively naive
thing to say! BYU will ALWAYS bring money to the table no matter where they go.
Because BYU has loyal supporters no matter how deep the funk!
Bronco is a good defensive coach and a good recruiter. Doman is clearly not a
good OC yet, if ever.Why start an injured Nelson?Why keep
Nelson in the game after two horrible turnovers?Why start Nelson in the
2nd half? Why not start Lark in 2nd half? Would he have been worse? At least he
would have disrupted BSU's defensive scheme.Point to consider:
Heaps was improving under Anae. Played a great bowl game. Got worse every game
under Doman.Riley Nelson took over and now is a worse QB. This this a
pattern or just coincidence?Start looking for a new OC now. Play
Eww.... Don't look now cougar fanss. Oregon State is thumping on UCLA.
Might be another loss there. sigh.
Ouch.This article smarts
I think it's really unfair to attack the firesides because the game
didn't work. I think Bronco's efforts to unite the team with the
purpose of the university is noble, really more innovative than the earlier
times. I'm not excusing poor play, but it is interesting to note that a
barely missed field goal and a barely missed 2 point conversion is the
difference between the two loses, ugly games though they were. We'd all be
singing a different tune if those would've fallen our way.
BYU's performance is not what I signed up for. Sorry, Bronco, but you are
NOT a good head coach, despite your win/lose record. You make a good defensive
coach, but your offense and choice of OC, along with your game decisions need
revamping. You and your offensive staff don't utilize the talent you have,
because of your "love" for your seasoned players. What a waste of
talent and disappointment to the fans. And the fans, not the school, pay your
The past few years have been troubling for BYU fans. First the Big12 is looking
for a couple of slots to fill and BYU won't even throw it's hat in the
ring. All we ever heard from Holmoe is BYU wants to be independent - BYU loves
their ESPN contract and won't give up the TV games. ESPN reported several
times that the Big12 was very serious about getting BYU but it was BYU which
showed little if any interest in the Big12. Go figure. Opportunities like that
don't come around all that often. Secondly this mysterious booting of
Robert Anae out the door after he produced record setting years with Beck and
Hall at QB. Remember how great it was to get Anae after Crowton? Finally, Doman
seems to be tayloring BYU to his old days at Sky Line High. Doman was an option
QB and I never understood why Brandon was moved to QB coach let alone Offensive
coordinator. Now the Y offense is probably it's worst since before Lavell
took over. You have to go back before Mark Lyons in the 1960's. BYU has 2
GREAT receivers but no qb. SAD!
I agree with Vai's analysis concerning the call to go for two, but I
don't think ESPN is looking to leave this deal yet. Coach Mendenall's
call for two was gutsy, but was not smart. His defense was dominating the game
and Boise had no confidence in their kicker. I have read many comments about
how smart this call was because of momentum, but this was an emotional decision
instead of a football decision. If BYU had made the converion, Boise had plenty
of time to still win with a field goal. With a tie game, the pressure is
greater on an Offense that had struggled all evening. With overtime and a short
field, BYU's offense had a decent chance of gaining some ground and getting
at least a FG. BYU's defense would make it tough for Boise to get much
closer and so the FG attempt would most likely be 35 or longer. Coach Bronco
needs to hold players accountable for all the stupid penalties as well. Very
disappointing game results the past two weeks.
Everyone knows Vai's background and his ties to BYU. Its very revealing and
says a lot about several BYU fans calling him out. You share your opinions here,
but at the same time go after Vai for his. What a shame.
Can we now expect an article by Val about How Utah's (his new favorite
team) Performance is Not What the PAC 10 Signed Up For?
So we have now come to the fact that the "exposure" that BYU wanted has
come back to bite them. It is time to get this trainwreck back on track. First,
the offensive coordinator needs to go. Second, the head coach needs to go.
Third, the Cougars need to get affiliated with a conference. If you look at what
is going on all around them, BSU, Utah, Notre Dame, others... are moving away
from being able to schedule the Cougars. If you think half of this year's
schedule is poor, wait for the next 2 years. Unfortunately, I see the slow death
of a once great athletic program. It would appear that the AD and others at BYU
are slowly letting the fire go out on athletics at BYU.
Utah performance isn't what the PAC 12 signed up for.
worfMcallen, TXUtah performance isn't what the PAC 12 signed up
for._____________________Right. Especially since play on
the field is not the only reason they were invited to join the PAC 12 in the
first place.BYU fans love to leave out that research and academics are
reasons as well. Some conference out there will take you and will be a good fit
for your lack of research and academics.
WACPADYou definitely got half of that right. Play on the field was
not the reason Utah was invited to join the PAC 12. However, you apparently
missed the recently published U.S. News and World Report university rankings
which placed BYU 68th and Utah 125th in the national universities category.
Clearly it was all about the academics.
It always amazes me to "see" the huge number of football geniuses among
the readership. None of which, of course, could hold a candle to Bronco
Mendenhall. As to "wins vs. firesides": "The things that matter
most must never be at the mercy of those that matter least". (Goethe) Take
a "peak" (peek?).
If BYU were in a power conference I would tell everyone to calm down a little.
But, they are not and they need to be putting the best team on the field they
can as a result. They are riding themselves to a paycheck, not the
coattails of USC and UCLA.
Worf, I usually like what you write, but I am not for taking shots at our
rivals, even though some of their fans will do it to us. The fact is we have
serious problems. And I am incidentally quite upset that Lark isn't
getting the chance to play, at least for a couple of games. There's plenty
of time to let Hill develop later in the season. But, I think Doman probably
isn't the right guy. And maybe Ty Detmer is. I also am very
much in favor of Bronco's focus on representing the Church. However, I
have long felt that a priority much higher than fifth for the football team
represents the Church much better than service projects or even firesides.
Frankly, if the program is not able to compete at a very high level, there
really is no point in having it. And maybe they can't do it while
requiring compliance with the Honor Code, etc. I know things were unfortunately
decidedly looser years ago in its heyday. So if they can't do it, they
can't. But I would like to see a better attempt.
Tough situation. BYU goes independent, then immediately embarks on what is
beginning to look like a death spiral. Without some dramatic improvement, ESPN
is going to tire of us...we are already getting attitude from gameday
analysts...and our ability to recruit quality talent will be diminished due to
lack of prospective team success. In am the most adamant BYU fan I know, but
this is indeed hard to watch. Bronco, if his pride will let him do it, should be
retained as Defensive co-ordinator and maximize his expertise. He'd be
considered one of the best in the business. We need a knowledgeable, clever,
well experienced and creative Offensive co-ordinator, who can think on his feet.
I wish I was smart enough to know who that might be, but I doubt they are
currently employed at BYU. Doman seems to be very much "in over his
head" currently. He was over-promoted into his current position as indicated
by his performance and results. We are also in need of a full time, not combo,
but dedicated Head Coach. Andy Reid? Maybe, but both jobs together are clearly
too much for one extraordinary man to handle.