What about all of those BYU fans that said Utah fans were down on Wynn after he
got hurt. That is the kettle calling the pot black. I think Riley should be
benched but the rise and fall of Riley is a thing that is real big time. BYU
fans are jumping off of the Riley train in droves. And it might be that
Riley's troubles are his hurt back. Wynn hid his shoulder injury from the
media and fans almost the entire season in 2010. Utah beat Pittsburgh in the
opener and Wynn looked tremendous in the first half. After that he was bad. Then
he got hurt again in a blowout win at Iowa State. From there on he was terrible
the next two years.
Its time to hand the keys to Hill. BYU is playing in the Poinsettia Bowl if they
win 8 more games or just 4. They might as well begin building for the future
with Taysom Hill, especially with the brutal schedule they will have next
season. There is little to be gained by playing Nelson even if he can figure
things out and stop throwing the ball to the other team.
Clearly, the issues with the team go far beyond the QB. The
offensive line has repeatedly underperformed. Prime example is the 2 point
attempt when Hill was flushed away from the end zone by a defensive player who
just blew by the ill prepared BYU O lineman.Special teams are so up
and down as to make one's head spin. When the Cougars absolutely had to
have a stop at the end of the game, they gave up a 40 yard return.Penalties are beyond belief. There isn't a successful coach in the
country that would consider more than a handful of penalties acceptable. False
starts? Are the only two noisy stadiums in the nation at Utah and Boise?Play calling-well, an entire book could be written on that.Hat's off the stellar defense!! The only thing they didn't do was
produce a turn over. But, in reality, they shouldn't have had to.
Riley Nelson is a great competitor and has plenty of heart, But my wife can
throw a football with more zip and accuracy than he can. Seriously, she can.
Riley cannot throw the ball more than 15yds downfield without it turning into a
wounded duck. He makes terrible decisions and is a fumble/int waiting to
happen. Doman shows in his playcalling that he is aware of this, every route is
under 15yds, unless we get into a 3rd and long. We will not beat any decent
defense or coaching staff as long as we run this pathetic offense. Taysom Hill has been recognized since springball as being faster, stronger,
and smarter than Riley. Not to mention has a vastly better passing arm and
upside. And he's a freshman! There is no reason Riley should start another
game for BYU. Taysom is already a better Qb. He almost single-handedly won the
game for BYU if it weren't for a terrible 2pt conversion call. He carried
4 BSU defenders into the endzone! Seriously, its time to make some changes. We
lose way too many winnable games
Nelson is Utah States version of the Trojan Horse. He has absolutely disrupted
the BYU football program since his mission and could well be the cause of
bronco's dismissal as head coach. In the meanwhile, could we get Doman to
jump on this grenade of an offense. It's time for a change! There is
precedent for sacking a coordinator in this program. It's time.
It is just too much of consequence that for the second year in a row, at the
same point in the season, we see another QB who is losing confidence, forcing
passes and doesn't know what to do with the football. First Heaps and now
Nelson. The only common factor here is Doman. Doman is the QB coach, the one who
calls the plays and preps the QB for each game. Doman is the one who needs to be
replaced - NOW. Consider how lopsided the game was: this was the
first time in years that BSU has been shut out at home. Our defense was
outstanding! But just as impressive was how bad BYU's offense was. Perhaps
our best defense and worst defense - at the same time. I say get rid
of Doman and this time, please hire someone who actually has coached an offense
before!!! One other note: strange we ran Anae off when UA is now highly
productive on offense. What is it about our system that our OC's can't
Dear Riley,Thank you for transferring to BYU.Love,Utah State
I partially agree with you gdog, which is hard to admit. I for one do not think
it is time for the end of Riley. He is a good leader, but as a leader he needs
to know when he should step back and get healed so that he is able to perform
like he started the season. He has never been the greatest quarterback and
often made ill timed and inacuarte throws, but most often he gave his own player
at least an equal chance at the ball. The past couple of weeks he has been
throwing horribly and the coaches and he should realize this sit him out a game
or two to heal and then let him have his chance again. If he doesn't heal,
oh well at least you are gaining experience for the future. A young
inexperienced quarterback is more effective than an experienced quarterback at
60%. Time to step aside for a game or two.
If Riley is hurt they must give him the chance to heal. Let Taysom play. He is
good and when Riley is back to 100% then we can benefit from his special talents
and senior leadership again.It is not helping Riley any to play hurt
and play poorly.
I like Riley and I hate to see him benched, but he's been terrible in these
last 2 games. I hope it's injury and something he can come back from, but
it's time to play Lark, Munns and/or Hill until Riley is 100%. And I'm
in love with our defense. Go Van Noy!!
Bronco got out-coached again. Yes, I would have gone for the 2 pt conversation
at the end, too, but when Boise called time out after they saw the players lined
up to tun the play, I'd have then sweitched back to the PAT and over-time.
If they hadn't called time out, I'd have run the original play. But
that's why you have coaches and time outs; to make adjustments. When the
adjustments are one-sided only, one can only ask of the coach: What were you
I just had to see how many of you were going to trash Riley Nelson. Last year
you were praising his name and wanting Heaps out of there. It is similar with
the Utes and Wynn. Give your QB at least another game or two. Remember, he is
a person too and he is going to work his hardest to adjust and fix the issues he
had yesterday. I realize the most popular guy is the backup QB, just remember
the grass isn't always greener.
Love the cougars but I have to put this loss mainly on the backs of the coaches.
The 2 bad decisions during this game: playing an injured Riley Nelson and going
for 2 instead of pushing it to overtime. The defense was great and Hill played
exceptional for the time he was in. Let's get the house in order, give
Riley some rest, and get ready for Hawai'i next week.
Riley/Hill reminds me of Riley/HeapsRiley struggles and they throw
Heaps in too soon. He does ok for a while but is too young and loses confidence.
They they go right back to Riley.They are going to do the same thing
with Hill... just wait.
I'd like to get an answer from one of the 6 remaining Y fans: What does
this game do to Riley's Heisman chances?
werYou can't lay that on the O line. The defense can always
bring more guys than the offense can block--simple numbers. You can't
stretch the field on the goal line, so the defense has lots of blitz options.
The best O line in the country isn't gonna prevent a run thru in that
situation. It's just up to the QB to make the read quickly and get the
ball out.Everything that happened first with Heaps and now with
Nelson was completely predictable. Lark was always the best option and Y fans
have no one to blame but Doman, who has to be the worst judge of QB play in the
country. Hill has Lark type skills and makes sense now, if Mendenhall is
willing to commit yet another injustice to Lark. I wish Hill the best of luck
and predict he'll do well, but this coaching staff should be ashamed with
its treatment of Lark. The kid deserves a medal.
Think how the entire Defense must fill. To be out there busting your back side
and doing so well, only to have the coach's lose the game for you because
they want to play a guy who has "guts" but is injured or is just playing
terrible. IMHO, these past two losses fall completely on the coaches. First,
they let the Utes get into their heads and preform like a Jr High team. Then
last night the pages of the whole play book must have been stuck together
because we had only two or three plays and had NO imagination whatsoever.These kids are serious about playing and so why can't we get some
coaches that are serious about winning and bringing these kids along with
success. Bronco is a wonderful Defensive coach, but he is no Headcoach. Doman is
just not an OC. Sorry, but you would think that he would have learned from last
Riley is toast. His legacy is cemented in place. He will be soon forgotten.
Unfortunately, it is as much Doman's fault as anyones. With his
predictable play calling and lack of imagination not to mention hesitancy to
test a defense over the top, he put Nelson in a no win situation. Sure Nelson
threw the passes but Doman's play calling is at least equally to blame for
Nelson's utter failure the past 2 games.
Was the recruiting of Riley worth having the NCAA change a rule, just to get
2-pt conversion, ok, maybe I could see that. I mean didn't BYU kickers
miss 4 FG in SLC? I can see that they wouldn't exactly give you a lot of
confidence going into OT. But why not go for the on-sides kick? What happened?
BYU's defense didn't give up, why did BYU's coaches?Accountability? Yeah, this coaching staff should be accountable.
I'd like to ask Brave Sir Robin one question: Why is it I read about 100X
more about "Riley's Heisman chances" from snide Ute trolls than
from actual BYU fans? The vast, VAST majority of Y fans sees Nelson for what he
is . . a gritty but limited Tebow lite-lite.Here's the
difference between you and me: When Wynn struggled with injury and play, I felt
bad for him and always rooted for him to come back and do well. I'm glad
Hays is getting his chance and hope he makes the most of it, though I root for
the Y. And though it's not remotely a universal truth, I think this
attitude kind of defines two fan bases: Ute fans get more pleasure out of seeing
the Y lose than they do watching their own team win. Y fans root for their team
and are only mildly interested in Utah outside of the rivalry game.Though, full disclosure, I did giggle like a schoolgirl after the Colorado
game last year. Nobody's perfect.
Looking ahead... more big games in the other goy's house thanks to
Independent scheduling, and a good chance those teams playing in Provo will not
take place. Mr Gilmer of ESPN is a most practical and honest color man. BYU, in
spite of two bitter pills in a row, is still a BIG TIME name in sports. It can
probably dictate its terms and save the Big East while maintaining its cherished
TV rights. So far, "exposure" has not been what BYU hoped it would be.
The Big East will ofcourse chane its name or deignate East/West Divisions.We
must not judge conferences by any one year. Pitt and Syracuse are old money
names living in genteel poverty at present. But Central Florida and South
Florida are BIG schools with a bright future.Houston and SMU can easily return
to past glories. ( Rice once ruled the great Southwest) Vision beats
today's edition of the news.
I don't know about Lark - he has only played one quarter, but looked OK.
Not great. Hill seems to be the next anointed one. Might as well let him play.
Nelson is probably done.Frankly, I think Doman is the problem. Heaps
looked all-world under Robert Anae. Under Doman, Heaps got worse every game.Maybe Doman's trying to protect Nelson, but his play calling is
certainly not what you would expect in a close, tight game. But again, whomever
is calling the plays, the players have to execute. Nelson could not execute his
plays. So why did they keep him in the game so long?Well, let Hill
play and see how he develops. Meanwhile, look for a new OC.
This is hilarious! You Y fans were so high on Heaps a few years ago, saying he
was the next Detmer, he was on watch lists and was soooo much better than any QB
that Utah had ever had. After the blowoutlast year, you were all calling for a
replacement, and the next "it" guy of your team was Riley Nelson, now he
struggles and you guys jump off his band wagon and onto the Hill kids. I'm
going to predict that after the Hill kid struggles, that this same thing happens
to him. Saying that U fans did the same thing about Wynn is
laughable, most of us supported him and his comeback, until it was more than
apparent that his shoulder was still not repaired. I do fault the U coaches for
staying with him too long, but at least there was a medical reason that he
faltered so badly, Riley is just a head case.
I'm tired of hearing about Nelson playing poorly because he's not
100%. A 100% healthy Riley Nelson is still a fumble/int waiting to happen. A
100% healthy Riley Nelson still can't throw an accurate ball beyond 15
yards or stretch a defense. A 100% healthy Riley Nelson still makes bad
decisions. A 100% healthy Riley Nelson rarely sees beyond his primary receiver.
Riley Nelson healthy or not, has not won a game of any significance, since he
became the starter. He has however contributed to losses in significant games
far more than one player should.
One of the great customs of football happens when a player is injured on the
field. The game stops and fans from both sides wait for the injured
player to get up. When he does the crowed cheers in unison. It is a shared
moment when fans of all sides agree that an injury is bigger than the moment and
they join together in support of the injured player who has dedicated himself to
the game.For true lovers of the game this custom continues off the
field as well. When a man is injured enough to be limited, sidelined or career
ending we stop our cheering against him and join together in our hopes that he
recovers to full strength.We do run out on the field and kick him
while he is down. We all wish him a speedy and full recovery. Hope for his
future and thank him for his performance and contribution to the game we love.
This is true sportsmanship and class. We engage in the practice
because we know that no matter who the young man plays for that his health and
safety is above the game.