Comments about ‘Letter: Open-carry laws should be permitted’

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Published: Friday, Sept. 21 2012 12:00 a.m. MDT

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Midvaliean
MIDVALE, UT

When I see a open carried gun, I'm not fearful, I'm kind of annoyed. If its a handgun at your waste, and you are not a cop then I am AWARE of you, and aware of my kids moreso than normal. If its a cop, then I'm aware. If you just bought your rifle at the store, and are carrying in such a manner I won't be afraid.
A handgun at your waste may or may not be loaded, the person carrying may or may not be loaded as well, lots to consider.
I move on asap. Because nothing increases your chances of being shot like being around handguns. Its true.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

2 Simple Questions

1) Is there anyplace that should be off limits to open OR concealed carry?

2) Are there ANY weapons that should not be permitted?

Maybe this will help me to understand what gun advocates, advocate.

Esquire
Springville, UT

I would be more concerned with concealed carry. You don't know what kind of nut is packing. But, why the need to carry at all? The obsession with guns is totally ludicrous.

Twin Lights
Louisville, KY

Open carry (other than to and from the range/hunting area is more about display than anything else. You want to carry? Fine. Do so concealed. Open carry (except in certain limited circumstances) tells me the carrier needs to make a statement. Concealed carry not only provides more security (you have the element of surprise) it makes everyone else more comfortable too.

NedGrimley
Brigham City, UT

I think the whole open carry thing is similar to buying a great big lifted four wheel drive pickup truck with giant rims and tires. Legal? yes. But necessary? I rather think somebody is compensating for something.

cjb
Bountiful, UT

People shouldn't need a permit to conceal carry in Utah. The constitution already covers this. Utah permits should continue to exist to allow carry in states that require a permit.

Blue
Salt Lake City, UT

NedGrimley,

You 100% nailed it.

This claim that you need open-carry so you can walk unmolested into a sporting goods store with your deer hunting rifle is pathetic.

The guys (yes, face it, this is a guy thing) who want open carry really just love the idea of showing off their... hardware.

Confident, mature people don't need to show it off.

If you've got a CCW, bully for you. Conceal it - We don't need to see it.

ugottabkidn
Sandy, UT

Drew, I find no solace in allowing you to carry around a firearm. Just because you may behave yourself is no indication that your pal will. I am reminded of the West Jordan legislator chasing a suspect with a handgun shooting it in the air like Hop Along Cassidy about 20 years ago causing more danger to his neighbors than he ever prevented.

Eric Samuelsen
Provo, UT

If I see a customer in a convenience store packing heat, I leave without making a purchase. And I question the motives and sanity of the guy with the gun.

Screwdriver
Casa Grande, AZ

If you were really concerned with your defense you would be arguing that you should be able to wear a full armor suit anywhere you want.

Men want guns to make them feel more powerfull than they are but it never satisfies so they end up with an arsenal. Scared women might buy one gun and never mention it, scared men buy 20 and never let anyone forget it.

A gun is not a defensive device. When used as one it fails because it promotes others to go get an offensive weapon of thier own. Open carry just accelerates the nonsence.

Wear a bullet proof jacket. They make new bullet proof clothing from Brazil that looks like regular clothing and costs a lot less than gun nuts are spending on thier arsenals. Oh, and your kids won't kill themselves with it accidentally.

My shotgun is great for shooting clays but terrible for keeping people from breaking in my house. That's what locks, a decent neighborhood and alarms are for. If someone actually gets in my house - I have dismally failed my family.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

A great arguments for a gun in the home

Having a gun readily available will allow me to protect myself when someone intrudes into my house intent on robbing me. I keep it in a gun safe by my bed.

I like to hunt. I have several rifles which I keep locked in a safe. They are never left unattended when not locked up.

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Great Scenario for Concealed carry

I am a gun advocate and commonly and discretely carry my weapon with me. Just in case. No one ever knows that I have it and I never needed to pull it out.

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Uncommon scenario with questionable outcome

I Carry my gun around so that I can stop mass murder when someone starts shooting in a crowd.

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More common scenarios

I got my loaded gun in the drawer by my bed for personal protection but my kid found it and shot himself or his friend. It wasn't locked because I wanted it to be ready.

I got my loaded gun in my closet for personal protection. I was hanging out with my brother in law and we got into an argument. I got my gun and shot him.

Flashback
Kearns, UT

Normally I'm for gun freedom, but in this case I'm not. Open carry scares people, and for good reason. No everyone is a good citizen. Carrying a loaded handgun at your waist in open view is my mind just stupid. Carrying a rifle into a store or hunting isn't open carry at all. You can't carry a rifle on your waist.

There is absolutely no reason that anyone needs to carry openly. I prefer concealed to keep them guessing.

dwayne
Provo, UT

Flashback,

There are numerous reasons why someone might choose to open carry and the number one reason is deterrence and a second but just as valid reason is they don't want to have to use their gun which a concealed weapon increases the chance of. A third, but less important reason is the chance of someone dying increases when an altercation involves a concealed weapon since a person may choose to draw it and now the criminal isn't likely to run away and risk being killed. Now it's likely to be a fight to the death scenario

Most people who choose to open carry do so because of a desire to never have to use their weapon in self-defense. There will always be a chance that someone will make armed people targets but even criminals value their lives so they are less likely to risk death if they know someone has a gun.

Seeing someone in public opening carrying shouldn't cause fear in someone unless they are brandishing it. You prefer to keep them guessing? Do you realize that increases the chance of them guessing wrong and one of you dying? That's really sick.

dwayne
Provo, UT

Twin Lights,

"You want to carry? Fine. Do so concealed. Open carry (except in certain limited circumstances) tells me the carrier needs to make a statement."

Some people are not fine with concealing a gun, being attacked because a criminal doesn't know they are armed and then having to risk drawing it and being killed by their attacker or worse murdering someone who may never have attacked them if they knew they were armed.

"Concealed carry not only provides more security (you have the element of surprise) it makes everyone else more comfortable too."

Some people prefer to not have the element of surprise because a) they don't want to be attacked or assaulted in the first place, b) they don't want to get into life and death struggles with an attacker because c) they don't want to be killed and d)they prefer not having to kill anyone and have to live with it for the rest of their lives. A concealed weapon doesn't "provide more security" instead it provides the same level of security as open carry and its the individuals choice which they prefer and not yours.

NedGrimley
Brigham City, UT

Open carry in Provo, UT as a deterrent. Giggles...

boxerdog915
Clearfield, UT

@Midvaliean

"...nothing increases your chances of being shot like being around handguns. Its true."

Being prior military and currently a police officer, someone who has been around guns for years, carrying them daily, the real truth is a rifle is more dangerous than a handgun. In order for the firing pin to hit the bullet, the trigger has to be pulled, which means in needs to be in a person’s hand with their finger in the trigger guard. A rifle, simply dropping it can send a round off, depending on several things, which is too complicated to explain unless you are familiar with rifles, but most people who own guns don't do this because they know the dangers for the most part. A handgun is extremely safe when treated with safety and 98% of the people who own them have no intent to do harm with them. They simply carry them for protection. If I were you, people who carry handguns, feel at ease for you are safe. A gun on the waist of a person is an inanimate object and is no threat to anyone. This is the truth.

Twin Lights
Louisville, KY

boxerdog915,

I agree that a rifle is FAR more dangerous than a handgun but for different reasons. When both are operated correctly, the rifle is (generally speaking) much more lethal. But the short barrel handiness of the handgun (the reason we can carry them on our waist) makes them far more prone to error.

Further, I agree that the vast majority of gun owners have no intent to do harm to anyone. But in my experience, the most capable gun owners feel no need for display. Those that do feel such a need are trying to prove a point. And that is what worries me.

As to a gun being an inanimate object. Of course it is. But one created to do a very deadly job.

dwayne,

Then, if you are in some REALLY dangerous place, I suppose open carry would make sense. But, the point is the VAST majority of us do not go walking about in such dangerous circumstances.

As to whose choice it is, that is the point of this discussion, right?

Another Perspective
Bountiful, UT

It's wiser to conceal if one has a gun. This way any bad guy is less prepared.

Everyone should have a gun to protect against home invasion. Everyone should take the time and effort to store and use a gun safely.

Zabilde
Lehi, UT

It is not wiser to conceal. Many carry openly because they have not yet obtained a Concealed Firearm Permit, and thus in order to carry they must carry openly. It is 100% legal to carry openly in this state. It must be Utah unloaded which means basically two mechanical actions to fire the weapon.

You all claim it's better to surprise the criminal. Why? You've already given him the drop on you if it's hidden, and you have to uncover to draw. Open carry is a far more effective deterrence than concealed. And you should never be fearful or wary of an openly carried weapon. Criminals don't carry openly, they hide them in their pocket until ready to rob you. An openly carried weapon is one saying "I'm not a threat to you, only honest citizens carry openly".

dwayne
Provo, UT

Twin Lights,

"Then, if you are in some REALLY dangerous place, I suppose open carry would make sense. But, the point is the VAST majority of us do not go walking about in such dangerous circumstances."

I suggest the vast majority of us go walking about in such places. Anyone that has been to Provo knows the Provo River Trail where a rape occurred in broad daylight wasn't an out of the way place but was within 40 feet of a large apartment complex and after being left for dead the victim only had to crawl 30 feet to to get help. It's also an area with high foot and bike traffic. The rape was so brazen because there was a high chance that someone would pass by at any moment yet he didn't care nor is this the only such incident.

Far to many people feel like they don't walk about in dangerous circumstances. We aren't talking about gang shootings. For example, we are talking about you being attacked, knocked out, raped and killed in Walmart's Parking lot between your car and your attackers while dozen's of people walk by unaware.

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