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Published: Friday, Sept. 21 2012 12:00 a.m. MDT

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Midvaliean
MIDVALE, UT

When I see a open carried gun, I'm not fearful, I'm kind of annoyed. If its a handgun at your waste, and you are not a cop then I am AWARE of you, and aware of my kids moreso than normal. If its a cop, then I'm aware. If you just bought your rifle at the store, and are carrying in such a manner I won't be afraid.
A handgun at your waste may or may not be loaded, the person carrying may or may not be loaded as well, lots to consider.
I move on asap. Because nothing increases your chances of being shot like being around handguns. Its true.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

2 Simple Questions

1) Is there anyplace that should be off limits to open OR concealed carry?

2) Are there ANY weapons that should not be permitted?

Maybe this will help me to understand what gun advocates, advocate.

Esquire
Springville, UT

I would be more concerned with concealed carry. You don't know what kind of nut is packing. But, why the need to carry at all? The obsession with guns is totally ludicrous.

Twin Lights
Louisville, KY

Open carry (other than to and from the range/hunting area is more about display than anything else. You want to carry? Fine. Do so concealed. Open carry (except in certain limited circumstances) tells me the carrier needs to make a statement. Concealed carry not only provides more security (you have the element of surprise) it makes everyone else more comfortable too.

NedGrimley
Brigham City, UT

I think the whole open carry thing is similar to buying a great big lifted four wheel drive pickup truck with giant rims and tires. Legal? yes. But necessary? I rather think somebody is compensating for something.

cjb
Bountiful, UT

People shouldn't need a permit to conceal carry in Utah. The constitution already covers this. Utah permits should continue to exist to allow carry in states that require a permit.

Blue
Salt Lake City, UT

NedGrimley,

You 100% nailed it.

This claim that you need open-carry so you can walk unmolested into a sporting goods store with your deer hunting rifle is pathetic.

The guys (yes, face it, this is a guy thing) who want open carry really just love the idea of showing off their... hardware.

Confident, mature people don't need to show it off.

If you've got a CCW, bully for you. Conceal it - We don't need to see it.

ugottabkidn
Sandy, UT

Drew, I find no solace in allowing you to carry around a firearm. Just because you may behave yourself is no indication that your pal will. I am reminded of the West Jordan legislator chasing a suspect with a handgun shooting it in the air like Hop Along Cassidy about 20 years ago causing more danger to his neighbors than he ever prevented.

Eric Samuelsen
Provo, UT

If I see a customer in a convenience store packing heat, I leave without making a purchase. And I question the motives and sanity of the guy with the gun.

Screwdriver
Casa Grande, AZ

If you were really concerned with your defense you would be arguing that you should be able to wear a full armor suit anywhere you want.

Men want guns to make them feel more powerfull than they are but it never satisfies so they end up with an arsenal. Scared women might buy one gun and never mention it, scared men buy 20 and never let anyone forget it.

A gun is not a defensive device. When used as one it fails because it promotes others to go get an offensive weapon of thier own. Open carry just accelerates the nonsence.

Wear a bullet proof jacket. They make new bullet proof clothing from Brazil that looks like regular clothing and costs a lot less than gun nuts are spending on thier arsenals. Oh, and your kids won't kill themselves with it accidentally.

My shotgun is great for shooting clays but terrible for keeping people from breaking in my house. That's what locks, a decent neighborhood and alarms are for. If someone actually gets in my house - I have dismally failed my family.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

A great arguments for a gun in the home

Having a gun readily available will allow me to protect myself when someone intrudes into my house intent on robbing me. I keep it in a gun safe by my bed.

I like to hunt. I have several rifles which I keep locked in a safe. They are never left unattended when not locked up.

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Great Scenario for Concealed carry

I am a gun advocate and commonly and discretely carry my weapon with me. Just in case. No one ever knows that I have it and I never needed to pull it out.

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Uncommon scenario with questionable outcome

I Carry my gun around so that I can stop mass murder when someone starts shooting in a crowd.

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More common scenarios

I got my loaded gun in the drawer by my bed for personal protection but my kid found it and shot himself or his friend. It wasn't locked because I wanted it to be ready.

I got my loaded gun in my closet for personal protection. I was hanging out with my brother in law and we got into an argument. I got my gun and shot him.

Flashback
Kearns, UT

Normally I'm for gun freedom, but in this case I'm not. Open carry scares people, and for good reason. No everyone is a good citizen. Carrying a loaded handgun at your waist in open view is my mind just stupid. Carrying a rifle into a store or hunting isn't open carry at all. You can't carry a rifle on your waist.

There is absolutely no reason that anyone needs to carry openly. I prefer concealed to keep them guessing.

NedGrimley
Brigham City, UT

Open carry in Provo, UT as a deterrent. Giggles...

boxerdog915
Clearfield, UT

@Midvaliean

"...nothing increases your chances of being shot like being around handguns. Its true."

Being prior military and currently a police officer, someone who has been around guns for years, carrying them daily, the real truth is a rifle is more dangerous than a handgun. In order for the firing pin to hit the bullet, the trigger has to be pulled, which means in needs to be in a person’s hand with their finger in the trigger guard. A rifle, simply dropping it can send a round off, depending on several things, which is too complicated to explain unless you are familiar with rifles, but most people who own guns don't do this because they know the dangers for the most part. A handgun is extremely safe when treated with safety and 98% of the people who own them have no intent to do harm with them. They simply carry them for protection. If I were you, people who carry handguns, feel at ease for you are safe. A gun on the waist of a person is an inanimate object and is no threat to anyone. This is the truth.

Twin Lights
Louisville, KY

boxerdog915,

I agree that a rifle is FAR more dangerous than a handgun but for different reasons. When both are operated correctly, the rifle is (generally speaking) much more lethal. But the short barrel handiness of the handgun (the reason we can carry them on our waist) makes them far more prone to error.

Further, I agree that the vast majority of gun owners have no intent to do harm to anyone. But in my experience, the most capable gun owners feel no need for display. Those that do feel such a need are trying to prove a point. And that is what worries me.

As to a gun being an inanimate object. Of course it is. But one created to do a very deadly job.

dwayne,

Then, if you are in some REALLY dangerous place, I suppose open carry would make sense. But, the point is the VAST majority of us do not go walking about in such dangerous circumstances.

As to whose choice it is, that is the point of this discussion, right?

Another Perspective
Bountiful, UT

It's wiser to conceal if one has a gun. This way any bad guy is less prepared.

Everyone should have a gun to protect against home invasion. Everyone should take the time and effort to store and use a gun safely.

Zabilde
Lehi, UT

It is not wiser to conceal. Many carry openly because they have not yet obtained a Concealed Firearm Permit, and thus in order to carry they must carry openly. It is 100% legal to carry openly in this state. It must be Utah unloaded which means basically two mechanical actions to fire the weapon.

You all claim it's better to surprise the criminal. Why? You've already given him the drop on you if it's hidden, and you have to uncover to draw. Open carry is a far more effective deterrence than concealed. And you should never be fearful or wary of an openly carried weapon. Criminals don't carry openly, they hide them in their pocket until ready to rob you. An openly carried weapon is one saying "I'm not a threat to you, only honest citizens carry openly".

cjb
Bountiful, UT

Re Zalibde
2:19 AM Sept 22, 2012

I support your right to open carry. Me I will continue to conceal carry. If a 'bad guy' sees a person open carry, the open carry person will be the first person they take out. The Air Force spends billions to make their airplanes stealthy. They do this because concealment provides a tactical advantage.

I wish you well, good luck.

Mike in Cedar City
Cedar City, Utah

May the Saints preserve us. The gun nuts are at it again.

Utah_1
Salt Lake City, UT

Article I, Section 6. [Right to bear arms.]
The individual right of the people to keep and bear arms for security and defense of self, family, others, property, or the state, as well as for other lawful purposes shall not be infringed; but nothing herein shall prevent the Legislature from defining the lawful use of arms.

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