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Published: Tuesday, Sept. 18 2012 12:00 a.m. MDT

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cjb
Bountiful, UT

I do not have a very high opinion of the 'prophet' Mohamed. Not because of some amateurish video that detractors have made of him, but because of the way his followers behave.

His teachings have resulted in very bad behavior of the people that follow him. This tells me he himself and his teachings are not very good.

Hellooo
Salt Lake City, UT

The only problem Kathleen is the uprisings are not about the film. This is especially true in Libya's terrorist attack on the embassy. Please, do you really believe that suddenly on 9/11 the Arab world woke up realized that a film about their great Muslim prophet had been placed on the internet in July and began rioting around the world?

Pete1215
Lafayette, IN

When a bunch of arabic speaking protesters are holding up signs written in English, one has to wonder who is behind the protests.

Darrel
Eagle Mountain, UT

"I do not have a very high opinion of the 'prophet' Mohamed. Not because of some amateurish video that detractors have made of him, but because of the way his followers behave.

His teachings have resulted in very bad behavior of the people that follow him. This tells me he himself and his teachings are not very good."
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The exact same thing could be said about Christ and his followers.
1) Crusades
2) Spanish Inquisition

His teaching have been used to justify war, his teachings have been used to justify hatred of the Jews. His teachings have been, and are, used to block advances in science. His teachings are used to deny fellow Americans the same rights others enjoy.

If we are to judge a group of people for not living up to the standards of their religion, we must first look at ourselves. Ours teaches a standard of perfection, to which none of us can ever hope to live up to.

Mukkake
Salt Lake City, UT

Darrel:
[The exact same thing could be said about Christ and his followers.
1) Crusades
2) Spanish Inquisition

His teaching have been used to justify war, his teachings have been used to justify hatred of the Jews. His teachings have been, and are, used to block advances in science. His teachings are used to deny fellow Americans the same rights others enjoy.]

But the Prophet Muhammad personally fought wars in his lifetime. He conquered Mecca. The 100 years after Muhammad's death involved Muslim holy wars across the Middle East, North Africa, Spain, France, etc.

Jesus didn't fight any wars in his lifetime and nor did his direct disciples. It wasn't until about 300 years later that Constantine, who wasn't baptized until his death bed, used Christianity for his wars.

Islam has perpetuated far more wars than Christianity, Communism, or any other ideology.

wrz
Salt Lake City, UT

"One lowlife creates an anti-Islam film..."

As near as I could tell watching the film's trailer, the film depicted the religion and life-style fairly accurately.

As for 'lowlife' creators as you call them, in America we can speak whatever we want... called freedom of speech. These 'creators' were only exercising their First Amendment rights. If you don't like what they create, then just avert your eyes. But you can't rightly call them 'lowlife' for what they created.

"And by the way, anybody can burn a Quran."

Not and live to tell about it... Look at Theo Van Gogh whom Muslims killed, and Salman Rushdie, whom they would like to find and kill.

@Darrel:

"The exact same thing could be said about Christ and his followers.
1) Crusades
2) Spanish Inquisition"

That was then, this is now.

And by the way, Christ did not lead or approve of that conduct... In fact, He taught to love one another.

Miss Piggie
Salt Lake City, UT

The sign reads :Islam is not about killing innocent people..."

True. What they means is, Islam is about killing guilty people, the infidel... people guilty of dissing their prophet, Muhammad.

Darrel
Eagle Mountain, UT

@Mukake and wrz

By our own interpretations I agree, however, they were used to justify these horrible acts.

"But the Prophet Muhammad personally fought wars in his lifetime. He conquered Mecca. The 100 years after Muhammad's death involved Muslim holy wars across the Middle East, North Africa, Spain, France, etc."

Someone should read the Book of Numbers, how do you think the Israelites came in possession of the Holy Land? A War commanded by God's prophet, Moses. To accuse one guy of something your guy did...takes brass. King Saul was commanded to kill everything living thing in a kingdom, but was rebuked because he saved a few cows.

The biggest problem we as a nation face is ignorance, and being happy and judging others based on that ignorance. We are truly more alike than we are different, but we let our differences separate us, divide us and our fears to rule us.

wrz
Salt Lake City, UT

@Darrel:

"Someone should read the Book of Numbers..."

As I said, that was then, this is now. We live in the 21 century not 3000 years ago or even 1400 years ago. Apparently Muslims are caught in a time warp. They need to put away those ancient customs and habits of man-slaughter. Everyone else has... almost. Maybe they're still mad at the Macedonian, Alexander the Great.

"... how do you think the Israelites came in possession of the Holy Land?"

Perhaps you need to take that up with God... He/She directed it. Maybe it was revenge for being help captive in Egypt for eons... So what if they took it out on the wrong foe? Nobody's perfek.

"The biggest problem we as a nation face is ignorance, and being happy and judging others based on that ignorance. We are truly more alike than we are different, but we let our differences separate us, divide us and our fears to rule us.

Could you the emissary to the Muslim world, for us?

Hellooo
Salt Lake City, UT

Darrel are you suggesting Moses was Christian?

4601
Salt Lake City, UT

Sorry Darrel, you're living in the past by 7-800 years. The violence of that era has been clearly denounced and abandoned by Christian leaders. Let's hope we don't have to wait 700 years for Muslim leaders to denounce and abandon violence. Right now it seems to be pretty well tolerated. Rather than decrying their brethren, moderate Muslims spend their time rationalizing it and criticizing the rest of us for intolerance because we are frightened that a jihadist will walk into Trolley Square and start shooting.

Darrel
Eagle Mountain, UT

Of course that was then and this is now. I am in no way condoning murder or war. I was simply stating to the poster that said the Mohammed went and captured cities that our Christian heritage had done so as well. The same standard must be applied to both religions.

"Perhaps you need to take that up with God... He/She directed it. Maybe it was revenge for being help captive in Egypt for eons... So what if they took it out on the wrong foe? Nobody's perfek.(sic)"

Revenge on the canaanites for being held captive by the Egyptians? That doesn't sound like the Just Being I worship. They took it out on the wrong people, and they get a free pass? That's inhumane and barbaric, and certainly something that I have a difficult time seeing my God condone that.

:Rather than decrying their brethren, moderate Muslims spend their time rationalizing it and criticizing the rest of us for intolerance...

That fear is what is wrong with us. They are decrying it, you are just deaf to it. I heard Sean Hannity shouting down a muslim caller trying to denounce it last week.

MapleDon
Springville, UT

The only people claiming the movie (which, by the way, came out several months ago) inspired the riots in Libya are the Obama administration--oh, and the media.

The media, including the DesNews, are doing their best to cover Obama's gaffes in handling this horrible situation. So, they conveniently divert attention.

Shameful behavior by all.

Darrel
Eagle Mountain, UT

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What will it take to convince you? Are you willing to willing to apply the same standard to yourself the next time an FLDS polygamist makes the news (assuming you are LDS)?

For a people that claim to be so misunderstood, and accuse the media of misrepresenting our Church, we ought to be willing to extend an ear of understanding, mutual cooperation and respect. Not judge an entire group of people based of the actions of a radical few. What if all Christians were judged by the actions Westboro Baptist Church? What if all Americans were judged by actions of Timothy McVeigh? What if all Mormons were judged by the actions of Warren Jeffs?

Mr. Bean
Salt Lake City, UT

"One lowlife creates an anti-Islam film..."

I think what you're trying to tell us is... that part of Shariah Law against denigrating the Muslim deity is now effectively appended to and modifies our Constitution's freedom of speech 1st Amendment.

twells
Ogden, UT

Opinions are like Congressment that pass bills without reading them. The history of the Middle East is very long and complex. Those that want power will always use whatever is avaliable to promote the end game. It is hard for Americans to understand a ideology that does not resemble anything we are used to. The bottom line is there are those in the world that want to destablize governments only to fill the void with something worse. There was never an Arab Spring for Democracy-this is incompatiable with the teachings of the Koran. Islam is a Theocracy. If all the people out there have a dislike for "Christian conservatisim" they had better really study what the Muslim world would like to see happen-Sharia Law. The American Constitution can not exist with Sharia Law. Let's all study the Koran and find out what is really behind the Muslim teaching and stop guessing. It is clear if you read.

RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

@cjb
I do not have a very high opinion of the 'son of god' Jesus. Because of the way his followers behave along with stupid videos they make.

His teachings have resulted in very bad behavior of the people that follow him. This tells me he himself and his teachings are not very good.

See how easily that could apply to Christians?

If we're to judge a religion's founders on the behavior of it's followers, then we'll have to condemn pretty much every religion out there (except perhaps Buddhism, and I'll even question that).

patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

This is so dumb.What Mitt said was right on the line. Perfectly said and the timing was perfect as well. Mitt said we can't keep apologizing ... and we CAN'T!!! If you apologize to 7th century barbarians you look weak and dumb and Obama managed to accomplish both!

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

Patriot - Obama didn't apologize... end of story there.

I actually read an interesting piece on this yesterday. One thing we here in the States don't understand is that many of these people in the middle east do not live in an environment where "freedom of speech" is a known topic. As the piece identified, these people don't have that right. Everything that hit the air, is published, or finds its way to press is done so solely under the supervision and approval of their respective governments.

Therefor, the idea that an independent film maker can create something like this movie, and show it, and publish it, is something that is not even a possibility in their world. Therefor the idea the idea that the US government didn't sanction this film is something don't understand, because that could not happen in their world. Therefor, when they see stuff like this published, they assume (wrongfully so) that it was done with the approval of the government.

You have to step out of our own culture sometimes to get the context of these events. Not saying it is right... but it explains the context of these events.

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