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Published: Monday, Sept. 17 2012 7:35 p.m. MDT

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VegasUte
Las Vegas, NV

Also - Ducky: Here is what I originally wrote: "and the BYU coaches CORRECTLY gave them second chances because they were and are good people who are worthy of redemption."

The purpose of what I wrote was to point out that this kind of thing happens at BOTH programs, whether you like it or not, whether you accept it or not. It happens at ALL schools! You are the one who turned it negative against the other school. What I wrote was never intended to be a Utah vs byU thing. I clearly stated that the byU coaches "CORRECTLY" gave the kids second chances. That was not a negative dig at byU, that was a positive reinforcement. I am sorry to everyone else that I got caught up in your negativity.

If you took the time to try to read what people say rather than turn their words into your personal crusade, maybe you could learn something.

Now, I think it is time you start turning your mind toward trying to come up with a byU player who will be drafted in the NFL ahead of all Utah players, just like you did last year. Whatever happened to Fangupo anyway??

DaRwIn
Salt Lake City, UT

I am a BYU fan, I do not look down upon others, I do not believe in doing such. To place "classic "ute" fan behavior" at the end of you post clearly shows what your true reasons for commenting are. You sir are a very contentious individual. I would look inward instead of outward. You have people on here that are encouraging a young man that is trying to become a better person. And all you do is attack them for doing such. It is disappointing seeing someone do that. I hope you the best, but please this self righteous attitude is sickening.
This young man is an example to others that have messed up in there life and are trying to turn their lives around. Forgiveness is preached, but it is not followed as much as it should be.
"He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone." John 8:7

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Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@vegasute

Nice try leaving out the more relevent part of your post. I'll remind everyone.

"I personally know several BYU players who made "mistakes" (yes - at that age they ARE mistakes), some much worse than Seni's,"

Thaqt is a direct quote from your post, YOU said that. YOu are saying that you personally know SEVERAL BYU players that committed acts worse than pointing a gun at people, threatening to kill them, and stealing from them. And this is exactly the sort of ute homer post I am talking about. This kid committed a heinous crime, one that still affects innocent people to this day. And you are claiming "SEVERAL" BYU players have done worse. Yet even without naming any names you refuse to give us even one example of a BYU player that has done something "worse". Heck you haven't even given us an example of one that did something even half as bad.

So put up. Let's see it. I want to know what "several BYU players" have done that is worse.

You can't, because it isn't true.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@darwin

Reading comprehension is important darwin. I haven't "attacked" this guy at all. Far from it. I have aknowledged the heinous crime he committed, is it your contention that we should ignore that fact and continue to heap unwarranted praise on him?

I see somekidsmom's posts as very powerful testaments to what truly occured and the long term ramifications of it. As I've said numerous times, and you are apparently incapable of comprehending, but I am glad this guy is attempting to be better, but he does not deserve praise, he does not deserve an apology, he does not deserve anything other than for the rest of us to keep a very careful watch on him for a very long time. If he ever does become a man of character we will know but it doesn't happen overnight and it is not wrong to point out that he basicly not only got off scot free but that he was actually rewarded.

I find the insinuations on here that he is somehow owed something by the rest of us troubling, and I find the unwillingness to admit the heinousness of his crimes very disturbing.

FaifeauSam
Lehi, UT

During conference this year President Dieter F. Uchtdorf spoke about how we shouldn’t judge others and how we have no right to do so, only the Lord has that authority, and the one line that really stood out to me was the “Don’t judge me because my sins are different to yours”

FaifeauSam
Lehi, UT

Ducky, what he really "deserves" is for ALL of us to leave him alone and not be dragged through the mud day after day. How many young people have committed suicide because people won't leave them alone and allowed them to get on with their lives? I think somewhere it says something about "As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he." This indicates to me that if people continue to bring up the past, each sinner will continue to think about what he/she did. We don't know but that a psychiatrist is working with him to help him see the error of his ways. Been there, done that and it helps.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@FaifeauSam

I would probably agree with you if not for the fact that I didn't bring it up. It was printed in a newspaper for all to read and commnet on. I probably never would have said anything at all about it except that it is a story in a newspaper put out for the perusal of all.

This story was publicized, attention was brought to the situation, very public attention. Then people started making comments about the situation, many of them before I ever did. And many of those comments were simply wrong, heaping praise on a guy that committed a very serious crime and other than some public attention apparently got off scot free.

But I'll say it one more time and perhaps some of you will get this. I am GLAD he is seemingly trying to become a better person. I am GLAD he claims that he feels remorse. I am GLAD that he has an opportunity to improve himself and I am GLAD he apparently has a support system.

I will not pretend he is heroic, great, or deserving of an apology. I will simply hope he is truly trying to be better.

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