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Published: Monday, Sept. 17 2012 7:35 p.m. MDT

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Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@gdog

That's great, we all love a redemption story, we all wish redemption for all. But saying I am judging this because he is a ute is ridiculous. There is no dispute of this crime, he admits it. He has obviously been given leniancy and actually rewarded simply because he is a football player that was wanted at a school. That fact isn't in dispute either.

Reality is what it is gdog, people do things and they deserve to have consequences for doing them. It would appear that his consequences are no greater than public exposure. He did no jail time, he paid no restitution, and he was actually awarded a scholarship to college. My pooint is that is not what generally occurs to people that commit crimes like he committed. My guess is that every armed robber in history would love to trade him consequences. That aside, calling him a "great kid" and "deserving of an apology" are what got me irritated. I don't care where he goes to scholl those are ridiculous statements.

gdog3finally
West Jordan, Utah

Duckhunter

Did I say that Seni deserves an apology or is a great kid? Where? I don't have a take on what punishment should have taken place. I won't compliment the relative judge here either, other than he joined in on the outcome that Seni benefits from. A certain repsect for that exists, but I can't have my cake and eat it to when I fault a judge somewhere for some ruling.

Some of what you have a problem with in my previous comments were directed at you, but some were meant to be general except that you were on of top my @duckhunter address.

I will say that you have been much more readable the last month and a half for me. What does that say? I don't know.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

I didn't say you said that, but it was said. Here it is.

"StGtoSLC

SALT LAKE CITY, UT

I hope SI does a followup story at the end of his college career and apologizes for how they made him look nationally in their article. Probably won't, though, as pieces like this don't get as many reads as bad news and exposes."

Like I said I love a redemption story as much as the next guy but the guy doesn't deserve an apology for goodness sake. He committed a very serious crime, he pointed a gun at people, threatened their lives and stole their property. And for all of that I would say he has come out of it without much in the way of punishment and plenty in the way of undeserved opportunity. I'm glad he is making the most of it and I am glad he seems to have some remorse but some of the comments on here almost seem to portray him as heroic and somewhat of a victim. Nothing can be further from the truth. He has been given opportunities few people ever get despite his criminal behavior.

Mormon Ute
Kaysville, UT

Duckhunter,

My compassion for this young man has nothing to do with him being a Ute player, but I know you won't believe that because that's just the way you are. Also, from what has been reported in the media about the robbery the kid didn't touch the gun, the older relative did. He just went along. In most courts of law that makes him an accessory not the primary in the crime. Add to that he was a juvenile with no prior criminal record and a very good student. The courts take all of these things into account, but obviously you don't. In juvenile cases the courts also take into account the kids support structure and whether or not he has good people willing to help him get on and stay on the right path. Duckhunter, you are just always looking for ways to put down the Utes program and players.

somekidsmom
south jordan, UT

@mormon ute

Seni was the one that brandished the gun. Not only that, but he threatened the boys with death. I believe he said, "I better not hear about this on the news, or I'll come back and kill you." Have any of you ever have someone point a gun at your head? I wonder if anyone thinks about how the victims are dealing with that traumatic event? I agree with the other people viewing this not as a mistake, but for the crime that it was. Everyone deserves second chances, but he didn't really have to pay for the crime. He didn't pay restitution to my son at least, or do any time. He has had some traumatic events in his life with the death of his nephew, I agree. But does anyone really think about how the crime he committed affected the victims or their families? We lived in fear for a very long time after this occurred. It's interesting to see how many people are so upbeat about him and his life.

my point of view
south jordan, ut

@somekidsmom
Thanks for pointing out what so many in the South Jordan community know. I'm all for second chances when "mistakes" are made, but give me a break, robbery with a gun isn't a mistake, it's a choice!! I've made plenty of mistakes in my life, however none of them included armed robbery. I feel for the victims and sympathize with you and your family for how fearful you must have felt at this time. I truly hope that Seni has turned his life around, I really do. I do know however that there have been others who have been DISMISSED from the Bingham football team for transgressions that are nowhere near what Seni has done (let's not forget the "Code of Ethics" that Dave Peck is proud of). It can be dressed up anyway they want, but the reality is, if Seni hadn't been a football superstar, nobody including his coaches would have gone to bat for him. Also, having a student at Bingham who had classes with Seni last year (Sr year), tales of him being an excellent student are grossly exaggerated to say the least! My support is for you "somekidsmom".

Dutchman
Murray, UT

Duckhunter,

For you to claim that you do not care where the kid goes to school is ridiculous. You are abviously obsessesd with the University of Utah otherwise you would not be posting comments on Utah matters every single day. As I stated, over the course of more than a year you have very plainly opined that the students at the U are an inferior bunch and couldn't cut it at BYU either morally or academically. Those are you stated points of view. So, in your mind you are thinking Seni fits right in with a student body you caste as inferior. Did you personally investigate Seni's case? Do you know every single fact? It seems as though many professional law enforcement and court people have and they come to a diferent conclusion than you.

DaRwIn
Salt Lake City, UT

Duckhunter,
I normally agree with your posts, I like seeing someone that isn't afraid to share their opinion. But your remarks on this acticle and how you treat the comments of others with very judgmental statements is very showing of your true character. Your extremist comments are disgraceful at times and it makes me ashamed to be cheering for the same team as you. I'm sorry that when you were a teenager you never made a single mistake in your life. It quotes him as sayin that he was so down that he would do anything that his cousin said, if you have never been that low than you can't speak on whether it was a mistake or not. From a psychological point of view he was not in his right state mind (depression, especially in this case can do that) which led him to commit this crime this MISTAKE. It was a mistake, he admitted it! Mistake: a wrong action or statement proceeding from faulty judgment. It was a mistake as defined by the Merriam-Webster dictionary. Please provide the source for your inadequate knowledge of the usage of the word "mistake".

DaRwIn
Salt Lake City, UT

Duckhunter,
I normally agree with your posts, I like seeing someone that isn't afraid to share their opinion. But your remarks on this acticle and how you treat the comments of others with very judgmental statements is very showing of your true character. Your extremist comments are disgraceful at times and it makes me ashamed to be cheering for the same team as you. I'm sorry that when you were a teenager you never made a single mistake in your life. It quotes him as sayin that he was so down that he would do anything that his cousin said, if you have never been that low than you ant speak on whether it was a mistake or not. From a psychological point of view he was not in his right state mind (depression, especially in this case can do that) which led him to commit this crime this MISTAKE. It was a mistake, he admitted it! Mistake: a wrong action or statement proceeding from faulty judgment. It was a mistake as defined by the Marriem-Webster dictionary. Please provide the source for your inadequate knowledge of the usage of the word "mistake"

Monk
Pleasant Grove, UT

Wow. Just looking back on the comments on this article. I read it a few days ago, thought about it since and checked back just now. @Duckhunter, you spent a lot of time going after this kid's portrayal in this article. Seems a tad wasteful, maybe?
Seni made a mistake that was a crime. He had his day in court. The judge considered the whole case. He received a punishment and is fulfilling it. Where is the problem? There is a reason we refer to it as the "corrections" system. Seni, with the help of the courts, is working on correcting a mistake he made. His mistake also happens to be classified as a crime. He has a record befitting of the mistake he made. That won't go away. It's his to deal with.
The U of U is not the corrections system. They probably would be fine without Seni on the team. (No offense intended.) But, they chose to give him a chance. If it works out for him, then they are proven right. If not, they made a mistake.
Call off the dogs, dude. Your argument isn't very strong.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@monk

What's my "argument"? As usual people like yourself are arguing against something that doesn't exist. I've stated multiple times that my issue here is not the university of utah or even that he is playing for them, my issue is with the people here trying to pretend he is a "great kid" and that he is "owed an apology". "Great kids" do not do what he did, he does not deserve that title, and no one "owes him an apology".

What needs to happen here is that those of you minimizing the serious of his crime, not mistake, CRIME, need to apologize to people like somekidsmom whose son had a gun pointed at him by seni and threatened with his life while being robbed. You need to quit trying to pretend that this is just a "great kid" that "made a mistake" and aknoweldge that short of rape or murder he committed a crime that is about as bad as anything can possibly be.

Once again I'm glad he seems remorseful and is trying to improve but heaping praise on him and minimizing his crime is ridiculous. That is what I'm criticizing.

somekidsmom
south jordan, UT

After the armed robbery occurred, we were afraid of retaliation for reporting the crime. We covered our windows which are visible from the street while we watched tv at night trying to avoid being seen and a victim of a drive by shooting for a long time. When my son moved out on his own, I was in constant worry of him being ambushed on his way home from work at night and being killed. I really don't think any of you can grasp the gravity of the situation. Or the fallout of being a victim of a violent crime. Seni did have his day in court, but the record will not follow him since he was charged as a juvenile. The only way people know about this is from the SI article. The article was trying to make a point of athletes getting away with violent crimes. It showed Seni as well as other athletes. It is not an isolated incident. It is a growing problem that needs to be addressed. As far as Seni turning his life around? He's just going to school and playing ball- not too hard when you have a full ride scholarship?

DaRwIn
Salt Lake City, UT

In no sense of the word "mistake" is it referring to him not committing a crime as you have stated multiple times. Isn't committing any type of crime a mistake? Because I've never heard of a crime that wasn't deemed to have been a mistake by that person. It certainly wasn't a perfect decision, hence it makes it a "mistake". Your skewed judgement of the meaning of the word mistake is troublesome at best. It was indeed a crime, a mistake, a mis-judgement, a very bad act. What he DID was absolutely wrong, but he went before a judge and he served his penalty which was handed down to him by the United State Judicial System.
Forgiveness is key in any type of process. I am sorry for those effected by the actions of Seni. He is trying to make things right and become a better person. It doesn't change what he DID. The people saying that he is a "great kid" are saying so because right now that is what he is striving to be, encouragement is key.
One action does not shape character, character is built over a life time.

UT Sports
Salt Lake City, UT

To rectify past blunders is impossible, but we might profit by the experience of them.
- GEORGE WASHINGTON, letter to Fielding Lewis, Jul. 6, 1780

When you make a mistake, don't look back at it long. Take the reason of the thing into your mind and then look forward. Mistakes are lessons of wisdom. The past cannot be changed. The future is yet in your power.
- Hugh White (1773 - 1840)

If you have made mistakes, even serious ones, there is always another chance for you. What we call failure is not the falling down but the staying down.
- Mary Pickford (1893 - 1979)

Mistakes, crimes they are both referring to the same thing in this sense. It is the ability of one to grow from that mistake or crime that truly shows character, heart, intelligence. If there is nothing learned than the crime will always remain a crime and never a mistake. We are all human, all vulnerable to making mistakes, committing crimes, being less than what we wish we were. The way we grow and the way we approach these weaknesses is who we really are. I for one applaud Seni on growing from his imperfections!

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@darwin

You're right character is built over a lifetime. He needs to spend his lifetime doing just that. One year later is not long enough. Character is not restored at this time, period.

I'm very interested to know if you give the same allowance to all of the other armed robbers out there? Are they all "great kids" that just made a "mistake"? Should we let them all off the hook with no jailtime, no restitution, no real punishment at all and then give them all college scholarships, call them "great kids" and declare that they should be apologized to? Or do we just do that for the ones that can play a sport? For that matter what should anyone apologize to him for in the first place? What has been done to him that requires an apology? Should we apologize for letting him go unpunished and then rewarded with a scholarship? I can see how hard that must be for him to cope with.

VegasUte
Las Vegas, NV

Ducky - you can believe what YOU want to believe. I don't have to justify myself to you. I know what I KNOW, if I outlined the incidents of the people I personally KNOW, you would just call me a liar anyway, so don't worry about it.

Seni is an example of a good kid put in a bad situation who makes a mistake, atones for the mistake and is given a second chance. It is a shame that there are people who are piling on simply because of the program he plays for. If he was at the Y, the people that are piling on him right now would be praising him. On the other hand, there would be people piling on him that are now praising him.

Shameful that a great individual story of redemption is polluted by a persons hate for the program he plays for.

Congratulations Seni. Keep up the good work.

Monk
Pleasant Grove, UT

@Duckhunter. Ok, you think he isn't a great kid. I disagree. He made a huge mistake that was also a crime. Great kids that I know have done the same, and recovered. He is still relatively young. He is trying to correct his mistake/crime.
At the time the original story came out when Seni was still in high school, the portrayal in the local media and SI painted a picture of a hardened thug gangbanger blood and/or crip. That wasn't the case - it was totally untrue. He was a kid in a low place, who desperately needed some counseling or mental health help, and didn't get it. The occurred while he was struggling. That is why Amy says he is owed an apology. If someone did the same to you, I would say that you were owed an apology.
The message from most others here to you is still the same - be more charitable in your judgement of others. You have spent a lot of time going after this boy. - Back off, brother. He was a teenager when this happened. He will be accountable, but not to you. Drop it already.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@vegasute

In otherwords you don't know of 1 single BYU player that did anything "worse" than armed robbery. You know the only things really "worse" are rape and murder. So what you are telling us is that you know "multiple" BYU athletes that committed either rape or murder. But without even naming any names you cannot tell us of one instance, not one. In otherwords what you are claiming is completely 100% false.

Also seni was not "put in a bad situation". seni by choice took a gun, pointed it at people, stole their property, and then threatened to comeback and kill them if they told on him. He hasn't "atoned" at all. He was not punished in anyway, in fact he was rewarded with a scholarship and then received an apologetic write up in the paper claiming he is a "great kid". Then a bunch of utah "fans" like yourself tried to pretend it wasn't his fault, he deserves an apology, and anyone that points out that he is at fault and doesn't deserve an apology and that he basicly got off scott free and was rewarded to boot, are maligned. Classic ute"fan" behavior.

VegasUte
Las Vegas, NV

Ducky - you spin how you want to spin. That is what you do best. I won't play along to appease you. You can put words in my mouth all you want.

BTW - I did not say Seni was not at fault, I am saying he deserves a second chance and he deserves a shot at redemption. The "bad situation" I was referring to was the death of his nephew and his thinking it was his fault. I stand by my statement that it is shameful "that a great individual story of redemption is polluted by a persons hate for the program he plays for."

I do feel bad for the mother of the boy that was wronged in the robbery. For her I do have empathy. I am not sure I would feel the same way that I feel now if I had been in the same situation. Her anger is based on the fact that her son and family was hurt and wronged by Seni, not by the uniform Seni wears on Saturday.

VegasUte
Las Vegas, NV

@ Ducky: "I highly doubt the university of utah would have taken him as a student"

"Also this has nothing to do with BYU or the rivalry"

Then why did you bring it up first? You're stepping on your own tongue. Typical byU "fan" behavior.

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