to Beenzo:Insert foot here....Please stay off the blogs
with your Herriman is the best and Top 5 team. WIn something important (Region
Title, State Championship) before talking.How dare you say Herrimans
program is better than Timpviews (5 State Tiltes last 10 years), Highland (state
Champs) Logan (state Champs) etc. Enough.
@mykaljordanKSL had Dixie as #2... The result of a coaches poll.
Hurricane, JD, and SpFrk are clearly better than the rest
@HSFAN - good work, nice research@BigBenzo1. Suspicions
allayed. 2. Riverton could not surprise Bingham. Herriman's
triumphant tie in regulation with the punchless Silverwolves turns out not to be
much of a trophy loss3. Skyline just cracked the 4A's top four.
BigBenzo88 Skyline 24-Herriman 23. Bingham 42-Riverton 16. Welcome to the big
boys league. Thats 2 Wing-T teams you guys lost to, by 1 point each? Suspect?
Good luck winning your region.
Because I am from the area and because of all the banter between Riverton and
Herriman I watched that game on TV. What I saw was two very mediocre teams who
could be beaten by several of the better 3A schools including Hurricane, Juan
Diego, Dixie, and Desert Hills. I think Juan Diego is the most underrated
school so far. These rankings are merely opinion, the same as all of us so they
really don't matter but, they do give us some fun things with which to
amuse ourselves before the playoffs and shouldn't be taken seriously.
Herriman lost to Riverton who got shut out 23-0 by Syracuse, who is 3 in 5A,
Riverton also lost to Alta who just lost to Jordan... That is why Herriman fell
so far... They lost to a 5A team that has lost twice... Logan, Box Elder and
other schools have lost only once and to some of the best teams in the state...
East is undefeated... Even Roy's only loss is against Box Elder another
great team who has only lost once... Herriman being 14, 15, or 16 doesn't
mean that they aren't one of the better teams, but when you lose a game to
an average team, you will drop in the rankings and it takes some great wins to
advance... Look at Syracuse... A team ahead of them, Alta, lost last week and
Syracuse didn't pass them (They lost to Jordan, not a bad loss)... Bingham
has lost and Northridge, 5-0 is behind them because they haven't beaten one
of the better teams... That is just how rankings go. In the end, the best team
is the team that wins the state championship, not who has the best deseretnews
top 25 ranking.
@Tiger06Hurricane vs Juan Diego Always has and always will make for
GREAT Watching....good luck to your Tigers this year..Maybe well be
blessed to see the match up of the Eagle vs Tiger..JD FAN
@mykalijordanYa, you missed a good game, but not JD vs Hurricane. I
would be upset if I missed a game of Hurricane vs JD! Always a nail biter!
Beeno makes me laugh."please give me props and Herriman...my self
esteem needs it."Who cares Beeno. It's early still. But I
can say I have seen Herrmann this year. Power running game. Good team. But
Eastajd Logan and Timpview would beat you 15 points minimum. You couldn't
stop those powerful offenses and their defenses are all good. Bountiful and WX I would put even with you. WX is good. Bntfl has a good
defense. They have another kid at QB so I don't think they are as strong.
But Herriman would be 5th in my book....So relax with the H is as
good as every else. Save it for the field Beeneee
@Tiger06Thanks, I thought maybe I missed 1 of my sons games.LOLJD FAN
@mykalijordanDixie was ranked number 2 in KSL's Coaches poll
before the game last friday. I don't think they have been higher than
number 3 in DesNew's and Trib's rankings. Hope that clears it up for
@Whiteshoes - I believe Herriman has closed the gap from last year on Logan and
a lot of other teams. Last years game was closer than the score would
suggest...the final score should have been 42-21. We didn't lose anyone
from our team...Logan lost the 4A MVP. Herriman is competitive with any 4A
team...including East...and by that I mean we could beat any team in 4A and if
we did lose...it would be by 2 touchdowns or less.@ProudBigBrother -
I am not dreaming of any level of respect. I say respect the team, not the
history of the school. Teams that should get respect this year are East, Jordan
and Lone Peak...because they went deep into the playoffs and return a lot of
players from those teams. There really is no legitimate reason to respect Alta
or Bingham any more than any other team.@HSFAN & @Bench - my
point exactly.All I am saying to everyone is that Herriman is on the
level with every Elite team in 4A, 5A and all of Utah. I think only East and
possibly Jordan have separated themselves away from Herriman and the rest of the
@Zonazone,when did hurricane beat the #2 team in 3A? Did I miss
something ?JD FAN
Whiteshoes- Last year? I am a Riverton fan, but I have followed Herriman because
of all the Riverton kids that were at HHS. I actually went up to Logan to watch
the playoff game. I had never seen Nelson in person. He was amazing, but
seriously they were throwing deep with a few minutes left. If I am not mistaken
Nelson threw a 50 yrd bomb for their last TD with maybe 2 min left up by 3 TDs.
Herriman had put in a bunch of Sophs to get them a chance to play in a varsity
game. I think the Herriman coaches were basically preparing for this
year. Last year, they played as many juniors as possible. Riverton did the same
thing in 09, where the Seniors were not shown any loyalty. I think there was
some of that at Herriman last year. If it was even close, they went with the
Junior to prepare for this year. They have a lot of experience and Logan lost
some key players, so Yes... they may have closed the gap at least a little.
Harry Man needs to relax, it's just high school football for us kids, not
frustrated parents. Get REal!
So BigBenzo88 has a point. Typically 5A beats 4A head to head about 2/3 of the
time. This year is the exception. 4A has the edge head to head, I think it is
15-23. There is one thing that jumps out however. Out of those 23 wins for 4A
over 5A, 12 are against teams with a combined record of 0-24 with 2 others
against 1-4 Taylorsville. I think their 1 win was the first one in a decade and
it was a 3 pt win over a 0-5 3A team, Delta. 4 wins against AF, CH and 2 over
Lehi, all with losing records. I think there are only 3 wins over 5A teams with
winning records are Bountiful and TV beating LP and Timpanogos over PG. On the flip side of the 15 5A wins, 7 are against teams with winning
records. 4 are against teams that are 4-1. PG over Provo is the only 5A win over
a win-less team.One other thing, with Star's brother now
playing at Bingham, I would expect them to hammer Riverton again.
High school football is the best. Each week there are surprises and some
@Zona Zone--I agree with the drop because a 3A team has to be unbeatable in 3A
to be top 10 overall, even if Hurricane or Dixie could beat some of the ranked
4A/5A teams. The real travesty is Stansbury... undefeated against 5 teams with 4
combined wins. Dixie>>Stansbury.
Hurricane should not have dropped after beating the No. 2 team in 3A.
That's some Wasatch Front bias right there.
I love that everyone hates Alta (and Bingham, for that matter). It means that
they receive the respect, fear and reputation that BigBenzo88 can only dream of.
Maybe Herriman will earn it, someday :) Go Hawks!I am looking
forward to seeing how the season plays out. I can't wait to see what
happens in the Syracuse vs N-Ridge game! Those two are powerful teams that are
slipping under the radar right now. Watch your backs, everyone!Jordan is
definitely the team to beat! But without a real ending to the East game, I
don't know that anyone else will come close. But honestly, since Alta fell
short, I would pick Syracuse to upset the Diggers.Bingham seems to have
worked out their pre-season offensive issues, so they will be tough. I doubt
they lose again in regular season, but they will only beat Riverton by 10 points
tops. Riverton has a pretty effective defense and a good running game.The fact is, we are only half way through the regular season, so there are
plenty of stories to be written and worths to be proven. All teams are still
improving. Gotta love High School football!
Well see if the Brighton boys can handle the HAWKS and turn then from number one
in 5A to now 0-2 in region play. Good Luck this week! Herriman! Get off your high horses. Your time will come! But until
you even get to the TURF dont say a word and respect what other schools have
Done.Still feel, Logan vs East is agood 4A game.5A wil
be jordan vs someone! ha JUST LOOKED at 2011 brackets, Region 1 played
region region 3Region 2 played region 4In 2010Region 1 played
region 4region 2 played region 3So that leaves us with Region
1 playing Region 2Region 3 playing Region 4Oh my goodness!!!!!LP, PG, Riverton can play with I believe, Brighton, Alta and Jordan!
(Maybe not win but give scares to)Should be some great first round
@Sampson - I agree with you in that East is the best of the 4A and probably the
state. However, I simply don't see a distinction between Herriman and
Logan, Timpview, Bountiful, Woods Cross, Mountain Crest, Roy, Box Elder,
Timpanogos, Maple Mountain, Olympus or Orem. I think Herriman can compete with
any of these teams.My problem is the penalty we are receiving for
losing by 1 point in OT to a 5A team at a neutral site. We fell from 5th in the
state to 19th after the Riverton loss and have been climbing up ever since. Wins against Skyline and Olympus will help Herriman's cause.
Hopefully Orem can beat or be competitive with Timpanogos, Timpview and Maple
Mountain and earn a playoff berth. Hopefully Riverton can beat or be
competitive with Bingham, Lone Peak and Pleasant Grove and earn a playoff berth.
Hopefully Highland can beat or be competitive with Bountiful, Woods Cross and
East and earn a playoff berth. Hopefully Copper Hills can beat or be
competitive with Jordan, Alta and Brighton and earn a playoff berth.I believe the next 2 weeks will help determine Herriman's rank a little
Logan 56 Herriman 22Granted, that was last year. I admire Benzo's
fanatic support, but Logan still looks good this year. Do you really think that
Herriman has closed the gap to being even?
@BigBenzo88Herriman is getting better, no doubt. But there are
several teams that are doing as well or better which could give the Mustangs
fits.Logan (4-1) and East(4-0) look very, very good. Timpview
(4-1), Bountiful (4-1) and Woods Cross (4-1) are just a step behind those two.
After those, the next level includes Mt. Crest, Roy, Box Elder, Timpanogos,
Maple Mountain, and maybe Olympus or Orem.The next twp weeks might
tell us more about Herriman. Skyline is decent but not great while Olympus has
played a tough preseason (Sky View, N-ridge, Alta).
Not sure I can agree with Brighton (#8) jumping two spots with a narrow 1-point
win over PG. Sure, they are 5A...but that performance was bad. PG (#23) got
manhandled by Timpanogos (#18) much worse than that. Hurricane fell two spots
after beating highly ranked Dixie. Logan deserves to jump in the
rankings--they continue to steamroll opponents. Does everyone realize that the
Grizzlies have scored 27, 33, 35, 38, and 54 points in their games? Their
opponents hardly are getting blown out. I look forward to an East/Logan
@braydan32 - I wouldn't necessarily group Logan and Timpview with East. I
think Logan is a good team but are not as good as last year and Timpview I have
been suspect of since last year. I believe East is the only team in 4A that is
clearly better than Herriman. Bountiful, Woods Cross, Logan, Timpview and
Mountain Crest are on the same level as Herriman and I don't think any team
can beat Herriman by 2+ TDs.Herriman has the ability to move the
ball and score points...as evidenced by being the #2 team in Utah in points.
Now, if our offense makes mistakes like we made against Riverton (5 turnovers in
the Red Zone and Gray Zone) then we will have problems. But...when the offense
is cranking...we can move and score or any team...East, Logan, Timpview
included.Hey...I get it...I probably think that Herriman is better
than they are...but I also think most people think Herriman is worse than they
really are. As Parry is a Farce stated...things will be answered and played out
as the season and playoffs play out.
I honestly think Herriman is good, but not great. They're just not on the
same level as East, Logan and Timpview. I truly believe these 3 teams would beat
herriman by 2 td's or more. But hey what do I know? I can't wait for
the 4a playoffs this year!
@Parry is a Farce - I get it that there is a belief that 5A is better than
4A...but I think recently...4A is showing that it is on the same level as 5A. I
agree that getting 1, 2, 3 and even 4 wins in late October/early November will
be the final ranking.@UTOutlaw - Most of Herriman's games were
scheduled as 2 year Home-Home contracts back in 2011. So not a lot we could do.
We replaced Timpanogos with Highland (which now looks like Timpanogos would
have been better) and tried to replace Copper Hills with Alta or Jordan and
tried to replace Clearfield with Davis...but it didn't work out. I think
Herriman can easily win 2 games in the playoffs and possibly 3 and I would be
surprised if they won a 4th. Herriman can score points...so there are teams
that can beat them...but I don't think there is anyone in 4A that will
"throttle" Herriman.@Gunner - Yeah...if Bingham beats
Riverton by 21+ points...that would help with determining their strength. Any
if they win by less than 21 or lose...you are OK with me remaining suspect???
So when Bingham beats Riverton by 3 TD's this week, the same team that beat
your mighty Mustangs, will they still be suspect in your mind?
Benzo,Of course Herriman will win their region. They are the only team
with a winning record. You aren't getting a ton of respect yet because you
really haven't played anyone. The combined record of your opponents is
13-12. Your remaining opponents are 7-17 right now. I know that will change
but schedule a tougher preseason and the respect will come. I can see the
Mustangs making it to the semi-finals because of the easy side of the bracket
but getting throttled by East there.
I'm glad to see Herriman moved from #16 up to #15. However...this still
means that they are only the 7th best 4A team...at least according to this poll.
I am still suspect about a few of these teams....Bingham, Timpview, Lone Peak
and Mountain Crest come to mind.Since we are at the halfway point of
the regular season, I guess only time will tell...but I believe Herriman is a
Top 10 team in Utah and definitely one of the 5 best in 4A. I don't know
if Herriman's rank can ever overcome the lost to Riverton...but I believe
that Riverton will surprise some teams in their region.Look for
Herriman to win Region 7 and turn heads in the playoffs.