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Published: Monday, Sept. 17 2012 12:00 a.m. MDT

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Twin Lights
Louisville, KY

To "doubt a little of [our] own infallibility, and to make manifest our unanimity" is the great political task of our generation.

Kent C. DeForrest
Provo, UT

Excellent quotation of Ben Franklin. Too bad he's not around today to talk some sense into our "representatives" in Washington.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Excellent letter.

This hopefully should silence the Consututionalist Tea-partiers who keep insisting the Constutution - as written 225 years ago - was Perfect.

The Founders as quoted, knew they were merely laying the "Foundation" inwhich to build a new Nation upon. [hint; that's why they are called "Founding Fathers", get it - i.e., Foundation?...Not builders or Creators...Founders.]

BTW -- Happy Constitution Day everyone!

Flashback
Kearns, UT

LDS Liberal, that is why they also made it hard to amend, unlike the constant blizzard of Executive Orders currently coming out of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue that attempt to erode the constitution by fiat of one man, and not the citizens of 50 states.

silo
Sandy, UT

@Flashback
"..unlike the constant blizzard of Executive Orders currently coming out of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue..."

Wow Flashback, you genuinely sound outraged about the number of executive orders from Obama. And your outrage would be so much more convincing if you presented even the slightest effort to be objective in your claims. Unfortunately, since you have no interest in baselining your outrage against actual FACTS, you simply come across as another whiny, partisan mouthpiece.

For the record, Obama has issued 136 executive orders to date. By comparison, Bush issued 290+, Clinton issued 360+, Bush Sr. issued 166 and Reagan issued 381.

In fact, Obama has used executive orders fewer times than ANY president in the last century but don't let that distract from your outrage.

spring street
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

@flashback
"the constant blizzard of Executive Orders currently coming out of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue that attempt to erode the constitution by fiat of one man, and not the citizens of 50 states."

lets examain this claim;

In four years Obama has signed 26 executive orders.

George W in his 8 years in office signed 290, which means Obama would have to sign ex orders at 1o times the rate he has during his first presidency to match W

Bush senior in his ONE term signed 290 or at a rate 11 times Obama.

Reagan in his eight years signed 400 Ex orders. Obama would have to sign ex orders at 14 times the rate he has in his first term.

So lets talk about this idea about a blizzard.

spring street
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Bush senior signed 165 in his one term, sorry

spring street
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

I had to go back and look at the numbers because they seemed so far out of sorts and Obama has actually signed 154 ex orders in his first term still placing him at dead last among the last five presidents, hardily a blizzard.

boxerdog915
Clearfield, UT

1: this opinion piece is about this great document. 2: The Constitution was created to control government so they could't control the people. Why so many ex orders in the first place? Seems to me no matter what president is in office, all these ex orders are in violation of this great document because it is proving they aren't controlled at all and because they keep signing ex orders, I think they like it that way.

Hank Pym
SLC, UT

The COTUS is a very fluid & dare I progressive document?

Queuing Mike R & John C Spring in 5, 4,...

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Flashback
Kearns, UT
LDS Liberal, that is why they also made it hard to amend, unlike the constant blizzard of Executive Orders currently coming out of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue that attempt to erode the constitution by fiat of one man, and not the citizens of 50 states.

2:50 p.m. Sept. 17, 2012

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I found 19 resolutions that the present Congress proposed for "balanced budget amendments." Fourteen of these House and Senate resolutions were presented by and the Flag Desecration amendment,
the Christian amendment,
the Human Life amendment,
the School Prayer amendment,
the Pledge of Allegiance amendment,
Equal Opportunity to Govern [the Arnold Schwarzenegger for President] amendment,
repeal the 17th amendment amendment,
Federal Marriage amendment,
repeal the 22nd amendment amendment,

I could go on and on....

The point is this;
For those who SAY they are the ones protecting the Constitution,
The Republicans are constantanly trying to CHANGE the Constitution.

I'm GLAD those Founders made it so hard to change -- it's to protect it from the lunatics on the Right who keep trying to save it by destroying it.

Hypocrites!

the truth
Holladay, UT

@LDS Liberal

There is NOTHING wrong with trying to change the constitution, as long as it is done by proper method,

it has a built in mechanism for change made difficult on purpose,

the change must be superlatively agreed on.

It shouldn't be changed on whim but with deliberate consideration by everyone and every state.

It has become a very real problem when so many have gone around the constitution via executive orders, weakening or stretching the interpretation to gain powers and rights not intended or to take away freedoms ans liberties, using the courts to "make" law, and so forth.

the constitution was created to create a limited government not a limited people where most all governing was to be done at the local or state level not the federal level where power is best left.

The federal government was only to be strong enough to keep the states united.

The first line states "of the people and by the people", NOT by federal decree.

BTW, 'slavery' isn't in the constitution, while a compromise was reached to limit the southern slave states representation, and thus influence. Slavery, limited women rights are not in the constitution

djc
Stansbury Park, Ut

The word slave may not be in the Constitution, but the word free is used to designate people who aren't counted as "free people" or "Indians". Seems like a very Scalia interpretation to me.

There are a group of changes to the Constitution, they are called amendments. Once the Constitution has been amended, it changes. The 13th amendment mentions slavery and outlaws it.

There are some other changes to the Constitution that seem to be conveniently ignored by most of our home-grown constitutional experts.

Executive orders for the most part have more to do with the internal operation of the Executive department than anything else. The first was signed by George Washington three months into his term.

Snopes.com has some interesting reading about executive orders and the garbage that floats in the internet about them and the President. Most of the garbage is false and smells accordingly, but is consistent with a concerted effort to make this a one-term presidency.

No lie is too big. Any lie repeated often enough will be believed by a significant portion of the population. The big lie is the best lie.

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