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Published: Sunday, Sept. 16 2012 12:34 a.m. MDT

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sportsfanforlife
salt lake city, UT

@duckhunter

HAHA! even aggie fans are telling you the talent gap is showing hahahaha.

"But please tell me where was this so called "talent gap" apparent to you? Was it the utah wr's? They performed far worse than the BYU wr's"

uhhh up until that fluke 47 yard play on 4th and 13 utahs wr's were outperforming yours. but dont let that fact get in your way of making hilariously stupid comments time and time again.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@aportsfanforlife

YOu realize utah could easily wind up with a losing record this year don't you? That isn't just some BYU fan pipe dream, that is cold hard reality. It was a 3 point win and BYU missed as field goal to tie the game. utah never once drove the ball the length of the field for a score, not once. Their scores came on 3 short fields and a botched snap they picked up and ran in.

I can certainly understand you wanting to get your licks in on BYU fans but when you charge someone with making "stupid comments" you probably ought to look in the mirror.

1aggie
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

@ Duckhunter

I know that yes you put the blame on the coaches. But why just the coaches? Are the BYU players so immature that they can't motivate themselves for an in-state rivalry game? And shouldn't the people who hired (and keep paying) the bad coaches have some blame too?

Regarding the talent gap, let's examine some objective facts. Utah was playing without their original starting QB, without their star RB, and without their star safety. BYU had all their "stars". Yet Utah won. Other objective facts indicating a talent gap may exist:
Utah has 22 current alums in the NFL, BYU has 7 (ha ha... yes 7).
Utah has won 7 of the last 10 encounters and the last 3 in a row.

I assume BYU will not be "up" for the Utah State rivalry game because, according to your logic, said players are not capable of motivating themselves and Bronco doesn't do it. So Utah State should handily beat BYU.

CrimsonUte
Pocatello, ID

This is becoming an annual refrain, even from the sports writers. "Utah didn't beat BYU, the Cougars beat themselves!" Give me a break. Both teams had good plays. Both teams made major mistakes. Both teams had bone-headed penalties.

The bottom line is BYU had three tries to put the game into overtime at the end and couldn't do it. Utah won the game.

Anyone who says one team dominated over the other, or one team made more a ton more mistakes than the other, or one team self-destructed, is disillusioned and completely biased.

Jazzsmack
Holladay, UT

The fact is there is very little "talent" difference between BYU and Utah,

the big difference is coaching and coordinating.

the BYU offensive line coach is just bad,
the line has talent but they are wer bad last year and now this year,
it's coaching,

BYU must be passing team to have any offensive success, by atleast ration of 60/40
they must average atleast 12 yards a pass for real offensive success
that is coordinator problem , BYU is not an option team nor a running team even inspite of having an occasional really good running back

as a coach Bronco is great defensive cootdinator when not running the garbage he ran a new mexico.

but the offense has never been motivated or inspired.

and they have the wrong quarterback (a bad coaching decision). Lark should have been the QB last year and be the QB this year

BYU fans are tired of low scoring offenses, losing to the best teams, and especially losing to the U or only just barely beating them sometime (they haven't had a dominant win in over a decade and a half), and no BCS bowl game ever.

1aggie
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

@Jazzsmack

"The fact is there is very little "talent" difference between BYU and Utah, the big difference is coaching and coordinating".

I think "talent gap" much more plausibly explains the 22 current Ute NFL players to 7 Cougs.

We saw how a healthy Utah team performs against BYU last year. This year we saw that a hurt team can still beat a healthy BYU team.

cowboy99
South Jordan, UT

The only talent gap I saw was BYU's being a lot better that Utah's with the exception of the defensive line.

What I saw was a better team playing scared. Scared of what?! What's going on in the team meetings that makes them play so scared!? How come the coaches can't prepare them better?

The U's offensive line is really bad. BYU got a lot of pressure and sacks and they don't ever do that not even against Weber State. BYU's o-line is really bad at run blocking but do an ok job at pass-pro but Utah's can't do anything.

Overall BYU is a talented team with ZERO attitude and will continue to pump out 10-3 seasons.

BYU will win out the rest of their games except will lose to Notre Dame cause they will play scared and Notre Dame looks pretty good this year. They will also lose to Georgia Tech because Bronco has a history of being baffled by the triple option.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@1aggie

Past players now in the nfl is irrelevent to the players that currently constitute these teams. 3 point games are indicative of close overall talent levels although not the only factor. Anyone watching the game saw that BYU's defense was extremely fast and very good. The FACT that utah never put together a sustained scoring drive indicates that BYU's defense was vstly superior to utah's offense. The FACT that BYU had several sustained drives against utah's defense is prrof that there is no talent gap there.

What BYU seems to lack is confidence and fire. I'm not sure why that is but I tend to attributethat to coaching and the attitude the coaching staff takes toward game preparation. I am a football coach and in my opinion utah's staff does a much better job of preparing their team emotionally than BYU's staff does. This gives utah a decided edge.

In the years utah has better talent that edge results in decisive victories. When BYU has better talent the games are close but BYU generally wins. When the talent is even that is utah's edge and they win, like this year.

CougFaninTX
Frisco, TX

Neither team looked very impressive. If both teams continue to play like that, Utah will be lucky to get a bowl bid and BYU will not make my 8-4, worse case scenario. (I picked them to go 10-2, but 8-4 was worse case scenario.) I congratulate the Utes on the victory. Star was amazing. I really thought we'd be able to neutralize him like the Aggies did.

Were the refs replacement refs? They were awful for both teams.

What was wrong with Nelson? Not only was it the worst game I have ever seen him play, but his charisma / leadership was gone by half time. I watched him from the third row last year in the Armed Forces game, and I knew we were going to pull out a game winning drive. He was motivating his team on the sidelines. Against the Utes, his head was hung in defeat when the score was 7-7. BYU's offensive line was terrible.

Nelson's 4th and forever throw to Hoffman and the drama at the end, made it an exciting game. Two out of three years, we lose because of a field goal.

utahcountyute
Cedar Hills, UT

ducky

No Blechen,
No Rowe,
No John White, No problem.

The Utes best talent at critical positions were on the sidelines and they still beat the "talent" laden cougs. "Realize" that!

Go Utes! ASU is next.

1aggie
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

@Duckhunter

If you want to do a minute by minute talent analysis I suppose it's your prerogative, but that is clearly not what I was talking about in my original post when I said "the "talent gap" is beginning to become apparent ... and I expect will become more apparent in the next few years." Utah was holding out two of its biggest stars though and had they stepped onto the field I suppose it would have blown up your analysis. But clearly I was talking with longer perspective.

I am reminded of the story of the blind men and the elephant. You are like the blind man holding the tail of the elephant and asserting that elephants are like snakes while avoiding all evidence to the contrary. This explains why you will not answer my questions to you.

For somebody with perspective and a long-term view, I can see that except for a 20-year aberration (when BYU had one of the best coaches ever) BYU has always lost three quarters of its games with Utah. It was always that way and it is that way now. The Brethren (many whom are Utes) are comfortable with that.

Flashback
Kearns, UT

BYU's defense did fine, except on the long TD pass. The offense was uninspired. Doman's play calling really stunk. He kept running that option play that did exactly nothing. BYU obviously didn't plan this game well. Bronco will make all the CEO talk about not executing, etc. I'm frankly sick and tired of hearing that. I want to hear Bronco say that it was his fault due to not emotionally preparing his team for the game. Game preparation involves more than X's and O's.

Doman appears to have the same problem his predecessor did. Go conservative in a big game. Utah had too good of a defensive line for Nelson to try to live in the pocket. Should have put in more misdirection plays, roll outs, and plays that are designed to freeze up a line like Utah has. Again it appears that Doman needs some schooling on being an offensive coordinator.

Nelson does it best when he's on the Jazz. Should have utilized #21 more.

1aggie
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

I would like to replace the word "are" in my last post with the words "seem to be". There's an important difference and I did not mean to say that I know what they think.

Provo4Life
PROVO, UT

The biggest mistake was inserting Riley Nelson into the game and promoting him to the status of legend. He is a below average qb with a lot of determination. That means nothing in football! His ball is so wobbly, it really is crazy. Doman was a horrible play caller. If you are going to run the option, use a bigger, stronger, faster qb that can throw ie, Hill. Also, start Williams at tailback. Anyone that thinks Alisa is a quality option doesn't know football. Alisa is slow, slow, slow. A temporary fix for last year, but top talent should play. That is why bronco will never take us (BYU) to a BCS game or compete nationally because he plays on merit rather than skill. 8-4, just like I predicted.

DevilishUte
Tempe, AZ

"The biggest mistake was inserting Riley Nelson into the game and promoting him to the status of legend."

High comedy! The same thing happened last year with Hypes!

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@1aggie

Oh if we all had your wisdom. I think what is apparent here is that you are simply a "fan" and have no real knowledge of football or talent. You see when a person is actually capable of making true analysis of what occured in a game and why it occured then they are able to have actual coherent opinions. When all one is capable of doing is claiming "20 year abberations" or "the brethren are fine with it" one exposes oneself as not really knowing anything. That is just commentary pitifully designed to elicit an emotioanl response.

Real analysis is this.

utah never once sustained a scoring drive. BYU did. utah gave up more yards defensively and more points defensively. utah scored less points offensivel and gained less yards offensively. This would indicate BYU's talent, now and for the future, you know LONG PERSPECTIVE, is equal to if not greater than utah's.

utah won, good for them they should be happy about it, but things happen and studying why they did is best left to thinkers. You should just spend your time celebrating.

DevilishUte
Tempe, AZ

Duhkunter

"Regarding the talent gap, let's examine some objective facts. Utah was playing without their original starting QB, without their star RB, and without their star safety. BYU had all their "stars". Yet Utah won. Other objective facts indicating a talent gap may exist:
Utah has 22 current alums in the NFL, BYU has 7 (ha ha... yes 7).
Utah has won 7 of the last 10 encounters and the last 3 in a row.

I assume BYU will not be "up" for the Utah State rivalry game because, according to your logic, said players are not capable of motivating themselves and Bronco doesn't do it. So Utah State should handily beat BYU."

aggie 1 had some facts wrong. It's not one starting safety, it's 2, both of whom were Freshmen All-Americans and instead of 7 of the last 10 it's really 8 out of the last 11. Despite all of these starters missing from the game, Utah still won. Unfortunately for you, when I correct his inaccuracies, his case becomes even more compelling. Please respond to this post and quit avoiding it like you have for the past several exchanges.

dnay
Salt Lake City, UT

It's funny how proud the Utah fans are after this victory. If it were the other way around I wouldn't say anything knowing that I didn't win the game but happened to come out ahead. Your proud of a win after the gifts you were given and you still almost lost, actually if that had been reversed BYU wouldn't have just won that game, it would have been a 2 touchdown victory, and if it wasn't I'd been embarrassed not coming on here saying how great we are. It's amazing you guys talk about this like they controlled the game from start to finish, your blind to the fact you got lucky to win. I didn't brag up how great BYU was when the Cougars beat Tulsa last year. It was a victory I was happy, but I also realized we could have as easily lost to a team that we should have beat further. You all claim to be realistic and say it how it is, but you can't see this game for what it was a game you were very fortunate to win PERIOD!

DevilishUte
Tempe, AZ

dnay,

You have proven yourself to be a true BYU fan. Using the "if" to explain away a loss.....

"If this" or "if that." I love it. Count how many "ifs" you used in your comment. Ha!

Utah did not have its starting QB, star RB, and 2 starting safeties and still won. I am especially pleased with the clear trend being established - 8 of the last 11 and 3 in a row.

1aggie
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

@ Duckhunter
Thank you for your entertaining display of insecurity. I do not coach lttle league (or whatever) football like you, but I have an excellent facility for numbers and statistics which (I refer you to the book "Moneyball") can be very valuable.

A law of coaching, investing and many other disciplines is not to extrapolate too many conclusions from one game/investment/etc. as you do in your "real analysis". My analysis, which draws on many games and trends (e.g., all the ex-Ute NFL players) is not only more valid, but has gone unanswwered by you, along with my original question of why you only blame Bronco for BYU's inept results.

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