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Published: Thursday, Sept. 13 2012 5:00 a.m. MDT

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A Scientist
Provo, UT

It is very common for even well-educated LDS thinkers is to blame the so-called Great Apostasy on the adoption by early Christians of Greek philosophy (see Richard Hopkins pseudo-scholarly "How Greek Philosophy Corrupted the Christian Concept of God").

This conference continues the corruption of LDS "theology" by contemporary philosophy. The more LDS "scholars" attempt to do apologetics, the more tangled Mormon "theology" becomes.

The "faith" of the LDS apologists bears no resemblance to the faith of common LDS members or its leaders.

Verdad
Orem, UT

"A Scientist" is strangely confident about what this conference does, since, obviously, the conference hasn't happened yet. I strongly suspect that several of the papers that will be presented during it are still incomplete, even unwritten, and I'm pretty confident that all, or nearly all, remain unread by "A Scientist."

How seriously would/should anybody take me if I were to suddenly break forth tomorrow with analysis of how the victory of the Kansas City Chiefs in the 2015 Superbowl continues prior trends in the National Football League.

Craig Clark
Boulder, CO

The thousand year record Book of Mormon has striking parallels with classical antiquity, mainly Biblical. The OT’s Book of Judges is echoed in the BOM’s own reign of judges as a precursor to monarchy, Alma’s evangelical zeal reminiscent of Paul’s, the mission of Jesus to ancient America, and the collapse of the Nephite civilization during the same general time frame as the fall of Rome.

Thus the Book of Mormon gives America an antiquity that eerily parallels the Mediterranean world in classical civilization. That of course serves arguments for both Book of Mormon historicity and classical antiquity as a creative model for Joseph Smith.

sharrona
layton, UT

RE: Craig Clark, the Book of Mormon gives America an antiquity that eerily parallels the Mediterranean world in classical civilization. That of course serves arguments for both Book of Mormon historicity and classical antiquity as a creative model for Joseph Smith. True,

In 3 Nephi 13:12, (Jesus)“And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil”(abstract).
LDS scholar William Hamblin. The evil one [ho poneros]. (John 17:15). This phrase is often understood by modern Christians as a prayer for protection from evil in an Abstract sense. But in its first century context, (ho poneros) meant the Evil One=Satan.

In Mt 6:13 NIV, The correct translation is “ deliver us from the evil one”(Satan). Also verse 13,the doxology in 3Nephi is not found in earlier and better manuscripts of the Matthew 6:13 doxology.
Did Jesus teach the Nephites an abstract prayer? Or did JS copy the poor KJV translation and later manuscripts

Craig Clark
Boulder, CO

"....two papers will reflect upon the all-important question of divine grace and its role in our hoped-for salvation...."

Joseph Smith wrote, “We believe that through the atonement of Christ all mankind may be saved by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the gospel.

Joseph tried to fuse two inherently contradictary idas in this article of faith, the Protestant emphasis on grace with sanctifying ordinances which are central in Catholic dogma. The Mormon belief became that every man will be judged according to his own works but makes both ordinances and atonement essential.

The recurring theme in Jesus’ teachings is that the Kingdom of God is here. That’s what he came to proclaim more than anything else. The conflicting doctrines of salvation that became the basis for the Christianity that followed might very well have astonished him.

sharrona
layton, UT

Re: Craig Clark, the all-important question of divine *grace and its role in our hoped-for salvation...."

For by *grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which “God prepared beforehand “that we should walk in them.(Ephesians 2: 8-10)
*grace ( charis, G. 5485,unmerited gift, 2a.)
he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit,(Titus 3:5 NIV).

It does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on God’s mercy.(Romans 9:16 NIV)

"faith without works is dead" (James 2:20)’ A man is justified(declared righteous before God)by faith alone, but not faith that is alone. Genuine will produce good deeds” Martin Luther.

… what does the LORD(YHWH) require of you, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God(Micah 6:8)

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