"Beating a bad team is ALWAYS MUCH BETTER than losing to a bad team."-SwoopAnd dude, since BYU fans like you call Utah such a bad team,
then Utah beating BYU on a regular basis must really hurt. Get over
Howard S.@Snack PAC: "And Utah didn't LOSE to BYU... so
what's your point?"The point, obviously, is that Utah DID
lose at home to Colorado - the 10-loss, 107th ranked team that hadn't won a
road game in four years.Beating a bad team is ALWAYS MUCH BETTER
than losing to a bad team.Utah fans like to beat their chests about
beating good teams, but they also like to pretend that Utah's losses to bad
teams never happened.Unfortunately for U, the rest of the country
doesn't ignore Utah's bad losses like the Utes wish they would.Kyle, in only 7 years, has already lost to as many 10-loss teams, as BYU
has, IN THEIR ENTIRE HISTORY.
Cougars1I salute you. :)
Howard,You just proved what every Cougar fan has been saying all along.
Utah fans use the byu game as the measurement of success. I didn't compare
Colorado's defense to Idaho's or NMS; you did. Maybe you should be
making the comparison to PAC teams, but you won't because your only measure
of success for last year is that Utah beat BYU. That's why Utah will never
go to the Rose Bowl. As long as you beat BYU, your happy.
Utah's offense better be able to score points. This is not the same team
that Utah faced a year ago in Provo. Gone is the devided team that was trying to
find it's identity and a quarterback to play for. Heaps is gone, and
it's now Riley's team. Riley Nelson is a senior and a true leader, and
a very fiery competitor. Yes, I would go so far as to say that Riley is a better
quarterback than Chucky Keaton, and this BYU team has way more talented
offensive players than Utah State. with that being said BYU will score on Utah,
and the only thing that is going to keep the Utes in the game, is to score more
points than BYU. I really don't see this happening with John Hayes at the
helm, and a Utah offensive line that cannot block. Utah State's defensive
front controlled Utah's offensive line a week ago, hense an injured Jordan
Wynn. The only reason Hayes didn't get hurt, was his scrambling ablities.
BYU has better linebackers and safeties than Utah State. Prediction: BYU 35 Utah
@Snack PACAnd Utah didn't LOSE to BYU... so what's your
HowardThe Utes didn't beat a single PAC 12 opponent with a
winning record.The biggest difference between Colorado, Idaho, and
New Mexico State...BYU didn't LOSE to Idaho and New Mexico
@Cougars1Colorado was tough but certainly nothing compared to the
brutality of the Idaho and NM State defenses. :)
Howard,That was funny. At least Nelson has more experience than Doman had.
Was Colorado's defense really that tough. Please don't answer that; I
would hate to see you make a fool out of yourself.
Nelson is hardly the typical BYU senior QB.As a senior he has
started only 9 games. He is 8-1 in those starts, but he has only faced 2 BCS
opponents.Nelson has not faced any defense as strong as
Utah's... even with two second string DBs.Hays as a Jr. has
started nine games. He is 6-3 against BCS opponents.Hays has
certainly faced BCS defenses as strong as BYU's.If Hays is not
better than Nelson, he is at least Nelson's equal.
utahcountyute"Utah was in the hunt for a PAC 12 championship up
to the last game last year."Sorry to burst your hyperbolic
bubble, but Utah was NEVER in the hunt for a PAC 12 championship last year. The
Utes only a chance at the PAC south because USC was ineligible, and even IF the
Utes hadn't been humiliated by pathetic Colorado, the Utes would have been
destroyed by Oregon.Utah already has nothing to play for. The Utes don't stand a chance against ASU, USC or UCLA, so the best the
Utes can hope for is an upset of BYU and a slight chance of playing in a bowl.
BYU has much bigger prospects on the schedule this year and every upcoming
season than the Utes. Try Boise State, Notre Dame, Georgia Tech,
Oregon State, Washington State. That is big time football and with BYU's
ESPN partnership, National Television exposure, and top 25 rankings, BYU is
better positioned to play big time football now than ever in its football
history. As the Utes take their rightful place as the new found door mat of the
Pac-12, who even lowly Colorado beats, they will need BYU more than ever to make
them at least relevant for an in state championship. Chris and Kyle would do
well to keep that in mind. Most Ute fans still care more about
beating BYU that anything that goes on in the Pac-12, and that will continue,
because it is much easier to win one game against a hated top 25 program than to
amount to anything when playing a multitude of top 25 programs in the Pac-10 as
one recent ESPN analyst referred to it.Go Cougs!
scenicI'm actually impressed that you even mentioned the head
to head. Very up-standing. How about..National coach of the year
awardsKyle 1 Bronco 0Points scored head to
headKyle 224Bronco 160AntiThe byU
game is just a tune up for our season in the PAC 12.Utah was in the hunt for a
PAC 12 championship up to the last game last year. Do I think that they have a
good chance to get into that position this year? No. However, it is still a
possibility. The games still have to be played. on the other side,
byU will have nothing to play for if they lose once this year. That is fact.Have a nice day.
utahcountyuteUnfortunately for U, you don't even have to wait
until this Saturday. Your season is already over.And you
haven't even played your first "big boy" conference opponent.Just like last year, Utah's ONLY hope for a highlight this year, is
beating BYU.A loss to the Cougars, and the Utes won't even
qualify for a bowl game.
Gotta laugh at the constant drum beat of "7 of 10", which is skewed by
the last three years of the Crowton era.A more accurate measuring
stick of how the two programs currently compare is the head-to-head and overall
records of the current coaches.During the Bronco/Kyle erahead-to-headBronco 3Kyle 4Top 25Bronco 5Kyle 3Top 15Bronco 3Kyle 1Conference
championshipsBronco 2Kyle 110+ win seasonsBronco
5Kyle 3Overall recordBronco 68-24Kyle 66-26
DowntobusThe fact is this. byU's season last year and every
season until they get into a big boy conference, will be over after they lose
one game. Unfortunately for byU "fans" that will be this
Note to Reilly Nelson: If you do beat Utah (and that will be tough to do),
please have the following speech memorized so that if their fans pour beer on
your Mom you won't deviate from the script: "It was a great win against
a great team. We appreciate the hospitality and class shown by Utah. They have a
great place, a great administration and great fans." Then if you beat Utah,
you'll go down in history as a great QB. Hope you do.
Hopefully after this weekend the headline would need to be changed to
"BYU's senior quarterbacks have won 10 of last 12 vs. Utah". Go
continuedPeople talk about how Utah will come out with a chip on
their shoulder and some serious attitude. I think BYU will come out even more
so. They've had this game circled for a year, and they'll be gunning
for the Utes. I know K Whitt does a great job of prepping his guys for this
game and that the Utes may somehow find a way to keep it close, or even win this
game.I just don't see it happening, and I am more than willing
to come on here and eat crow if it does. I just think Utah's doesn't
have enough talent on the offensive side of the ball to get it done.Now, if BYU has another 7 turnover implosion, I might be singing a different
tune :) However, I think Nelson goes for 300+ yards passing, BYU rushes for 100
more, and the Cougs win 35-13.Go Cougars!
continuedFinally, BYU's biggest weakness this year has been the
O-line, specifically the interior rushing. Utah's team is basically their
D-line, so that plays into Utah's strength, and is the only thing I can
think of that would allow Utah to keep it close.Having said that,
BYU's pass protection and blitz pickup has been solid the last two games,
as has been running outside of the tackles. Utah's LB's are mediocre,
and don't have a ton of speed, so option attacks and pitches to the outside
should work fairly well, as USU showed last Friday.I want Riley to
throw the ball. I think this perception of him being a poor passer has come
from the media and the idea that he's just a "scrambler". When he
gets his feet set, he can deliver the ball. He's also accurate on
roll-outs. He was on pace for almost 500 yards passing against Weber St (I
know, I know, Weber's an FCS school, but still, 250 yards passing in a half
is pretty solid).I think Riley goes for 300+ yards and Cougs wins
The Utes better hope that BYU is not as eager to turn their backs on the Utes.
Because once BYU goes away, the Utes won’t even be relevant in state, let
alone their new found irrelevance in the Pac-12.
I've said all summer that, after watching last year's game a couple of
times, I don't see how BYU doesn't win by 14 or more. I'm
sticking by that prediction.The Utes secondary wasn't all that
great last year (Cody and Ross alone combined for almost 200 yards receiving
last year) and without Rowe and Blechen, BYU's WR's and TE's
should have a field day.The O Line for Utah is obviously suspect.
John White IV had 46 yards rushing going in to the 4th quarter last year, then
had 3 rushes for 107 yards in the 4th after BYU's D cashed it in. If he
even plays this Saturday, BYU's D should be able to shut him down.Jon Hayes is not a very good QB. He went 12-26 against USU for 154 yards,
with one solid TD drive. Their only other TD came on a gimmick play, and Hayes
had about 3 passes that should've been picked off. With BYU's
improved pass rush and the U's issues on O-line, I don't see Hayes
throwing for more than 150 yards.
Utah’s Season Comes Down to Rivalry Game (Again). After last season where
the mighty Utes had a losing record in the Pac 12 and lost a sure bid to go to
the Pac 12 championship game by losing at home to lowly Colorado, who had not
won an away game in 4 years, the only bright spot of the season for the mighty
Utes was beating BYU who had no quarterback at the helm and a rookie
O-Coordinator who failed to recognize that early. The Utes should be
careful about ending a rivalry game that has the potential to save their season
every year for their fan base even when the Utes pull a “no show”
for most of the season. Most Ute fans with their new found Pac-12 Arrogance, act
like last season was a success. However, Anyone who matter’s in the
National scene see the Utes first season in the Pac-12 as one of the most
disappointing collaspses of a football program in history, given the stakes for
a potential Rose Bowl birth.
@ BraxtonI totally agree the Riley is not as good as those other
quarterbacks, even as a Cougar fan. What I meant by same breed is that they are
both mobile, atheltic, running QBs. In the USU game the Utes had a hard time
handling Keeton's mobility, either from the option or his throwing outside
I would say that "20 rows" into the stands would be pushing it:)Love those crazy stats that really don't mean a thing too. 7 out of
10 and 292 to 187 in points scored over the last 10 years of the rivalry says
everything. That is a difference of over 100 points! Now that 's a stat to
@southern Utah Couger,Not so fast. Riley is no way even close to
the same caliber or breed as Chuckie Keaton. The ranking of QB's in state
would be1 Keaton USU2 Sorenson SUU3 Hayes, UTAH4
tie between Hoke, Weber and Nelson BYU
Re: fan of all sports.Reasons I think BYU will win1.
BYU's top 10 defense vs Utah's weak offensive line2. Byu will be
highly motivated. Last year's blow out loss has been playing in the locker
room all week.3. Utah still has their special teams that blew the game
last week.4. Like the article says that last time BYU had a senior QB
start vs Utah they won.5. Riley is the same breed of quarter back that
beat you last week, with better options around him.
Off topic but have you seen that Notre Dame is joining ACC in all sports except
football but agreed to play 5 ACC opponents per year in football? that could
mean trouble for the BYU/ND series.
Riley. We wish you the best of success. I strongly hope you don't call
for the QB draw. How many QB's get injured during a tackle? I think it is
safe to say that ALL injured QB's do so when being tackled and we
don't need that risk when there are so many good alternatives you have.
Gone are the days of the Anae predictable 4 plays. I think you improve with
each game and like you said, I hope that the last seven years bring good
fortunes your way. I hope your offensive line comes to the game ready to play
hard every down. You just may need them. Good luck COUGS!
Wow, Utah football has come a long, long way for someone from BYU to use the
words, "very good, quality opponent" when referencing Utah.indycrimson, if you want to read about fantasy football go to the Trib.
Nelson will be the next Kevin F., I believe Utah wins for the following
reasons:1. Utah's great defensive line against BYU'S weak
offensive line. Lark better be ready he will play.2. Utah will be highly
motivated. Loss at Utah State and comments from Van Noy and Hoffman.3. BYU
still has most of their defense that quit last year in Provo, if things start
going bad they will quit again.4. The laast time Utah had so many
injuries. The reserves led by Brett Ratliff smoked BYU. John White's
repalcement, if he doesn't play, runs wild.5. Jon Hayes is better
than Jordan Wynn.It will be close for awhile but turnovers from BYU
will once again be the difference. Utah 27 BYU 14.
Hay, we never loose, it's just the refs and ourselfs.
You're in good company, Riley Nelson. 10 out of 11. With Max Hall (graduate
assistant working with the QBs) and OC Brandon Doman to guide you, we have full
confidence that you will give it your all. From the looks of last week, we also
have Lark and Hill in the wings! I'm sure that determination as well as
poise will wrap around our Cougs as they take the field. See BLUE and see
victory! Go BYU! Go Cougars!
One thing is for sure......Riley was truly plugged in to divine inspiration to
transfer to BYU because had he stayed at Utah State he would be side lined
behind Chuckie Keaton. Good luck against Utah and I do hope the game is
exciting and fun for all.
Interesting statistic! Can you write a few more articles this week??
Like...ummmm, how many games BYU has won, at Utah, in the month of September,,
with a senior QB? Or...how many games BYU has won when playing at night and
when the date falls on an even date! Or how many games BYU has won when the
game is played on a day that has an R in it?Or you could just write
an article about Utah cuz they lead the series:55-34-4...60% winning
percentageOr that in the most recent 10 games, Utah is7-3...70%
winning percentageOh wait, the Cougar fans need another strange
superstition to noodle around...Keep writing for this perenial
national champion, Heisman producer fan base!!! They love this stuff...Thanks Jeff...