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BYU football: BYU's senior quarterbacks have won 10 of last 11 vs. Utah

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  • MiP Iowa City, IA
    Sept. 16, 2012 2:22 p.m.

    "Beating a bad team is ALWAYS MUCH BETTER than losing to a bad team."
    -Swoop

    And dude, since BYU fans like you call Utah such a bad team, then Utah beating BYU on a regular basis must really hurt.

    Get over it.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 13, 2012 12:36 p.m.

    Howard S.

    @Snack PAC: "And Utah didn't LOSE to BYU... so what's your point?"

    The point, obviously, is that Utah DID lose at home to Colorado - the 10-loss, 107th ranked team that hadn't won a road game in four years.

    Beating a bad team is ALWAYS MUCH BETTER than losing to a bad team.

    Utah fans like to beat their chests about beating good teams, but they also like to pretend that Utah's losses to bad teams never happened.

    Unfortunately for U, the rest of the country doesn't ignore Utah's bad losses like the Utes wish they would.

    Kyle, in only 7 years, has already lost to as many 10-loss teams, as BYU has, IN THEIR ENTIRE HISTORY.

  • byufan1993 Provo, , UT
    Sept. 13, 2012 8:17 a.m.

    Cougars1

    I salute you. :)

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    Sept. 13, 2012 7:51 a.m.

    Howard,
    You just proved what every Cougar fan has been saying all along. Utah fans use the byu game as the measurement of success. I didn't compare Colorado's defense to Idaho's or NMS; you did. Maybe you should be making the comparison to PAC teams, but you won't because your only measure of success for last year is that Utah beat BYU. That's why Utah will never go to the Rose Bowl. As long as you beat BYU, your happy.

  • Prep Fanatic Los Angeles, CA
    Sept. 13, 2012 6:50 a.m.

    Utah's offense better be able to score points. This is not the same team that Utah faced a year ago in Provo. Gone is the devided team that was trying to find it's identity and a quarterback to play for. Heaps is gone, and it's now Riley's team. Riley Nelson is a senior and a true leader, and a very fiery competitor. Yes, I would go so far as to say that Riley is a better quarterback than Chucky Keaton, and this BYU team has way more talented offensive players than Utah State. with that being said BYU will score on Utah, and the only thing that is going to keep the Utes in the game, is to score more points than BYU. I really don't see this happening with John Hayes at the helm, and a Utah offensive line that cannot block. Utah State's defensive front controlled Utah's offensive line a week ago, hense an injured Jordan Wynn. The only reason Hayes didn't get hurt, was his scrambling ablities. BYU has better linebackers and safeties than Utah State. Prediction: BYU 35 Utah 17

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Sept. 12, 2012 11:34 p.m.

    @Snack PAC

    And Utah didn't LOSE to BYU... so what's your point?

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Sept. 12, 2012 10:59 p.m.

    Howard

    The Utes didn't beat a single PAC 12 opponent with a winning record.

    The biggest difference between Colorado, Idaho, and New Mexico State...

    BYU didn't LOSE to Idaho and New Mexico State.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Sept. 12, 2012 10:37 p.m.

    @Cougars1

    Colorado was tough but certainly nothing compared to the brutality of the Idaho and NM State defenses. :)

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    Sept. 12, 2012 10:03 p.m.

    Howard,
    That was funny. At least Nelson has more experience than Doman had. Was Colorado's defense really that tough. Please don't answer that; I would hate to see you make a fool out of yourself.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Sept. 12, 2012 8:43 p.m.

    Nelson is hardly the typical BYU senior QB.

    As a senior he has started only 9 games. He is 8-1 in those starts, but he has only faced 2 BCS opponents.

    Nelson has not faced any defense as strong as Utah's... even with two second string DBs.

    Hays as a Jr. has started nine games. He is 6-3 against BCS opponents.

    Hays has certainly faced BCS defenses as strong as BYU's.

    If Hays is not better than Nelson, he is at least Nelson's equal.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Sept. 12, 2012 7:22 p.m.

    utahcountyute

    "Utah was in the hunt for a PAC 12 championship up to the last game last year."

    Sorry to burst your hyperbolic bubble, but Utah was NEVER in the hunt for a PAC 12 championship last year. The Utes only a chance at the PAC south because USC was ineligible, and even IF the Utes hadn't been humiliated by pathetic Colorado, the Utes would have been destroyed by Oregon.

    Utah already has nothing to play for.

    The Utes don't stand a chance against ASU, USC or UCLA, so the best the Utes can hope for is an upset of BYU and a slight chance of playing in a bowl.

  • DowntoBusiness Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 12, 2012 6:14 p.m.

    BYU has much bigger prospects on the schedule this year and every upcoming season than the Utes.

    Try Boise State, Notre Dame, Georgia Tech, Oregon State, Washington State. That is big time football and with BYU's ESPN partnership, National Television exposure, and top 25 rankings, BYU is better positioned to play big time football now than ever in its football history. As the Utes take their rightful place as the new found door mat of the Pac-12, who even lowly Colorado beats, they will need BYU more than ever to make them at least relevant for an in state championship. Chris and Kyle would do well to keep that in mind.

    Most Ute fans still care more about beating BYU that anything that goes on in the Pac-12, and that will continue, because it is much easier to win one game against a hated top 25 program than to amount to anything when playing a multitude of top 25 programs in the Pac-10 as one recent ESPN analyst referred to it.

    Go Cougs!

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    Sept. 12, 2012 2:26 p.m.

    scenic

    I'm actually impressed that you even mentioned the head to head. Very up-standing. How about..

    National coach of the year awards

    Kyle 1
    Bronco 0

    Points scored head to head

    Kyle 224
    Bronco 160

    Anti

    The byU game is just a tune up for our season in the PAC 12.Utah was in the hunt for a PAC 12 championship up to the last game last year. Do I think that they have a good chance to get into that position this year? No. However, it is still a possibility. The games still have to be played.

    on the other side, byU will have nothing to play for if they lose once this year. That is fact.

    Have a nice day.

  • anti BCS Anaheim, CA
    Sept. 12, 2012 1:31 p.m.

    utahcountyute

    Unfortunately for U, you don't even have to wait until this Saturday. Your season is already over.

    And you haven't even played your first "big boy" conference opponent.

    Just like last year, Utah's ONLY hope for a highlight this year, is beating BYU.

    A loss to the Cougars, and the Utes won't even qualify for a bowl game.

  • scenic view Baltimore, MD
    Sept. 12, 2012 1:23 p.m.

    Gotta laugh at the constant drum beat of "7 of 10", which is skewed by the last three years of the Crowton era.

    A more accurate measuring stick of how the two programs currently compare is the head-to-head and overall records of the current coaches.

    During the Bronco/Kyle era

    head-to-head
    Bronco 3
    Kyle 4

    Top 25
    Bronco 5
    Kyle 3

    Top 15
    Bronco 3
    Kyle 1

    Conference championships
    Bronco 2
    Kyle 1

    10+ win seasons
    Bronco 5
    Kyle 3

    Overall record
    Bronco 68-24
    Kyle 66-26

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    Sept. 12, 2012 1:05 p.m.

    Downtobus

    The fact is this. byU's season last year and every season until they get into a big boy conference, will be over after they lose one game.

    Unfortunately for byU "fans" that will be this Saturday.

    Go Utes!

  • RockOn Spanish Fork, UT
    Sept. 12, 2012 11:32 a.m.

    Note to Reilly Nelson: If you do beat Utah (and that will be tough to do), please have the following speech memorized so that if their fans pour beer on your Mom you won't deviate from the script: "It was a great win against a great team. We appreciate the hospitality and class shown by Utah. They have a great place, a great administration and great fans." Then if you beat Utah, you'll go down in history as a great QB. Hope you do.

  • Itchy Lehi, UT
    Sept. 12, 2012 11:27 a.m.

    Hopefully after this weekend the headline would need to be changed to "BYU's senior quarterbacks have won 10 of last 12 vs. Utah". Go Utes!

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    Sept. 12, 2012 10:49 a.m.

    continued

    People talk about how Utah will come out with a chip on their shoulder and some serious attitude. I think BYU will come out even more so. They've had this game circled for a year, and they'll be gunning for the Utes. I know K Whitt does a great job of prepping his guys for this game and that the Utes may somehow find a way to keep it close, or even win this game.

    I just don't see it happening, and I am more than willing to come on here and eat crow if it does. I just think Utah's doesn't have enough talent on the offensive side of the ball to get it done.

    Now, if BYU has another 7 turnover implosion, I might be singing a different tune :) However, I think Nelson goes for 300+ yards passing, BYU rushes for 100 more, and the Cougs win 35-13.

    Go Cougars!

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    Sept. 12, 2012 10:45 a.m.

    continued

    Finally, BYU's biggest weakness this year has been the O-line, specifically the interior rushing. Utah's team is basically their D-line, so that plays into Utah's strength, and is the only thing I can think of that would allow Utah to keep it close.

    Having said that, BYU's pass protection and blitz pickup has been solid the last two games, as has been running outside of the tackles. Utah's LB's are mediocre, and don't have a ton of speed, so option attacks and pitches to the outside should work fairly well, as USU showed last Friday.

    I want Riley to throw the ball. I think this perception of him being a poor passer has come from the media and the idea that he's just a "scrambler". When he gets his feet set, he can deliver the ball. He's also accurate on roll-outs. He was on pace for almost 500 yards passing against Weber St (I know, I know, Weber's an FCS school, but still, 250 yards passing in a half is pretty solid).

    I think Riley goes for 300+ yards and Cougs wins 35-13.

  • DowntoBusiness Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 12, 2012 10:41 a.m.

    The Utes better hope that BYU is not as eager to turn their backs on the Utes. Because once BYU goes away, the Utes won’t even be relevant in state, let alone their new found irrelevance in the Pac-12.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    Sept. 12, 2012 10:39 a.m.

    I've said all summer that, after watching last year's game a couple of times, I don't see how BYU doesn't win by 14 or more. I'm sticking by that prediction.

    The Utes secondary wasn't all that great last year (Cody and Ross alone combined for almost 200 yards receiving last year) and without Rowe and Blechen, BYU's WR's and TE's should have a field day.

    The O Line for Utah is obviously suspect. John White IV had 46 yards rushing going in to the 4th quarter last year, then had 3 rushes for 107 yards in the 4th after BYU's D cashed it in. If he even plays this Saturday, BYU's D should be able to shut him down.

    Jon Hayes is not a very good QB. He went 12-26 against USU for 154 yards, with one solid TD drive. Their only other TD came on a gimmick play, and Hayes had about 3 passes that should've been picked off. With BYU's improved pass rush and the U's issues on O-line, I don't see Hayes throwing for more than 150 yards.

  • DowntoBusiness Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 12, 2012 10:34 a.m.

    Utah’s Season Comes Down to Rivalry Game (Again). After last season where the mighty Utes had a losing record in the Pac 12 and lost a sure bid to go to the Pac 12 championship game by losing at home to lowly Colorado, who had not won an away game in 4 years, the only bright spot of the season for the mighty Utes was beating BYU who had no quarterback at the helm and a rookie O-Coordinator who failed to recognize that early.

    The Utes should be careful about ending a rivalry game that has the potential to save their season every year for their fan base even when the Utes pull a “no show” for most of the season. Most Ute fans with their new found Pac-12 Arrogance, act like last season was a success. However, Anyone who matter’s in the National scene see the Utes first season in the Pac-12 as one of the most disappointing collaspses of a football program in history, given the stakes for a potential Rose Bowl birth.

  • Southern Utah Cougar Cedar City, UT
    Sept. 12, 2012 10:28 a.m.

    @ Braxton

    I totally agree the Riley is not as good as those other quarterbacks, even as a Cougar fan. What I meant by same breed is that they are both mobile, atheltic, running QBs. In the USU game the Utes had a hard time handling Keeton's mobility, either from the option or his throwing outside the pocket.

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    Sept. 12, 2012 9:58 a.m.

    I would say that "20 rows" into the stands would be pushing it:)

    Love those crazy stats that really don't mean a thing too. 7 out of 10 and 292 to 187 in points scored over the last 10 years of the rivalry says everything. That is a difference of over 100 points! Now that 's a stat to remember.

    Go Utes!

  • Braxton ogden, ut
    Sept. 12, 2012 9:49 a.m.

    @southern Utah Couger,

    Not so fast. Riley is no way even close to the same caliber or breed as Chuckie Keaton. The ranking of QB's in state would be

    1 Keaton USU
    2 Sorenson SUU
    3 Hayes, UTAH
    4 tie between Hoke, Weber and Nelson BYU

  • Southern Utah Cougar Cedar City, UT
    Sept. 12, 2012 9:14 a.m.

    Re: fan of all sports.

    Reasons I think BYU will win
    1. BYU's top 10 defense vs Utah's weak offensive line
    2. Byu will be highly motivated. Last year's blow out loss has been playing in the locker room all week.
    3. Utah still has their special teams that blew the game last week.
    4. Like the article says that last time BYU had a senior QB start vs Utah they won.
    5. Riley is the same breed of quarter back that beat you last week, with better options around him.

  • Still Blue after all these years Kaysville, UT
    Sept. 12, 2012 9:11 a.m.

    Off topic but have you seen that Notre Dame is joining ACC in all sports except football but agreed to play 5 ACC opponents per year in football? that could mean trouble for the BYU/ND series.

  • Cinci Man FT MITCHELL, KY
    Sept. 12, 2012 8:41 a.m.

    Riley. We wish you the best of success. I strongly hope you don't call for the QB draw. How many QB's get injured during a tackle? I think it is safe to say that ALL injured QB's do so when being tackled and we don't need that risk when there are so many good alternatives you have. Gone are the days of the Anae predictable 4 plays. I think you improve with each game and like you said, I hope that the last seven years bring good fortunes your way. I hope your offensive line comes to the game ready to play hard every down. You just may need them. Good luck COUGS!

  • Whoa Nellie American Fork, UT
    Sept. 12, 2012 8:04 a.m.

    Wow, Utah football has come a long, long way for someone from BYU to use the words, "very good, quality opponent" when referencing Utah.

    indycrimson, if you want to read about fantasy football go to the Trib.

  • fan of all sports Heber City, UT
    Sept. 12, 2012 7:59 a.m.

    Nelson will be the next Kevin F., I believe Utah wins for the following reasons:

    1. Utah's great defensive line against BYU'S weak offensive line. Lark better be ready he will play.
    2. Utah will be highly motivated. Loss at Utah State and comments from Van Noy and Hoffman.
    3. BYU still has most of their defense that quit last year in Provo, if things start going bad they will quit again.
    4. The laast time Utah had so many injuries. The reserves led by Brett Ratliff smoked BYU. John White's repalcement, if he doesn't play, runs wild.
    5. Jon Hayes is better than Jordan Wynn.

    It will be close for awhile but turnovers from BYU will once again be the difference. Utah 27 BYU 14.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 12, 2012 7:33 a.m.

    Hay, we never loose, it's just the refs and ourselfs.

  • BYUalum South Jordan, UT
    Sept. 12, 2012 6:58 a.m.

    You're in good company, Riley Nelson. 10 out of 11. With Max Hall (graduate assistant working with the QBs) and OC Brandon Doman to guide you, we have full confidence that you will give it your all. From the looks of last week, we also have Lark and Hill in the wings! I'm sure that determination as well as poise will wrap around our Cougs as they take the field. See BLUE and see victory!

    Go BYU! Go Cougars!

  • Braxton ogden, ut
    Sept. 12, 2012 4:25 a.m.

    One thing is for sure......Riley was truly plugged in to divine inspiration to transfer to BYU because had he stayed at Utah State he would be side lined behind Chuckie Keaton. Good luck against Utah and I do hope the game is exciting and fun for all.

  • indycrimson Franklin, IN
    Sept. 12, 2012 1:15 a.m.

    Interesting statistic! Can you write a few more articles this week?? Like...ummmm, how many games BYU has won, at Utah, in the month of September,, with a senior QB? Or...how many games BYU has won when playing at night and when the date falls on an even date! Or how many games BYU has won when the game is played on a day that has an R in it?

    Or you could just write an article about Utah cuz they lead the series:
    55-34-4...60% winning percentage
    Or that in the most recent 10 games, Utah is
    7-3...70% winning percentage

    Oh wait, the Cougar fans need another strange superstition to noodle around...

    Keep writing for this perenial national champion, Heisman producer fan base!!! They love this stuff...

    Thanks Jeff...