@ Hemlock"Mendacity is not even an issue when you are being that
buffoonish, as in Stephanie Cutter, Joe Biden, Debbie Wassermann-Schultz ad
nauseum."What about Michelle Malkin, Ann Coulter, Grover
Norquist, Steve Forbes yada yada yada
re: The Real Maverick 8:05 a.m. Sept. 11, 2012"foxnews
isn't even a news network, but an entertainment one."If I
want entertainment from fox then I'll watch the Simpsons or Family guy. Homer & Peter > Billo & pretty boy Sean
Could procuradorfiscal explain to me how an exception proves "the
LDS LiberalAre your really so naive as to think the media cannot pick and
choose "facts" to prove a "truth"?Nobody actually
"just reports" because facts, often critical facts, are left out by the
conscious choices of any reporter, and that can make a massive difference in
perception.One can prove the earth is flat if they pick their facts
selectively enough, without ever saying anything inaccurate.One cannot get
a full understanding of any situation without multiple perspectives.But thank you anyhow: You provide a mirror for me to remind myself that I need
measure my own statements or else I will be taken just as seriously as you.
Nice try LDS LibBut when your network (obamas) reports news from
their liberal perspective, that's not journalism! When they conveniently
edit, and leave out portions of information, that support thee leftist ideals,
that's not journalism! When they only show interviews from the leftist
perspective of an event, that's not journalism ! So you really can't
go on and on as though that is the TRUE standard of journalis for the rest of us
to go by. Thats called Yellow journalism, sensationalism, and media bias!
Counter IntelligenceSalt Lake City, UTFox shocks liberals because,
unlike tradition television media, they actually voice other points of view.========== That's NOT Journalism!Journalism
isn't supposed to voice their points of view - it' supposed to
REPORT.What you and Faux News call news is actually Yellow
Journalism, Sensatonalism, Talboid Journalism and Media Bias.And you
said it youself -- "unlike tradition television media, they actually voice
other points of view."unlike traditional television media who
actually just report, and try to keep their points of view to themselves?
Fox shocks liberals because, unlike tradition television media, they actually
voice other points of view.Their news is separate from their opinion and
they have liberal opinion writers on staff (Juan Williams, Ellen Ratner). Indeed
Fox writer, Sally Kohn mindlessly regurgitated Stephanie Cutter's lies
giving the Huffington Post an excuse to claim "even Fox hates Ryan"MSNBC takes the media bias to am entire new level and strips it of any
real news and silences ALL other opinions.Anyone who cannot see that
MSNBC is the most biased of all television news is simply playing ostrich
"Like Ed Schultz? "Absolutely. Throw in O'donnell and
Reverend Al.I have no desire to watch someone when I know their answer
before they say anything.But, anyone who thinks that MSNBC is any
more partisan than Fox news is delusional.Can someone on the right
tell me who is NOT considered the Lamestream Media?Who does the Right
think reports fairly?Cause it looks to me that anyone who does not
lean right is a Liberal.Any media outlet that does not stump for the GOP
is biased.Any FactChecker who calls "pants on fire" on a
Republican is in the tank for the Dems.Just looking to understand.
I think your statement "most real people?" pretty well says it all about
your ability to rationally examine the information you take in
re: liberal larryRachel makes foar more sense than Limbaugh.re: JoeBlow"MSNBC is certainly a left leaning network.
And some are "hard to stomach" left. "Like Ed Schultz?
I'll watch any/all news for info. Shortly after the opinion or
propaganda stats, I change the channel.
One of the best advise my dad gave to me was "Don't beleive anything
you hear - and only half of what you see."
Too bad the tag line "fair and balanced" is allready taken by FOX. "Obama is a communist, but you decide..... Up next, Obama plans to
take your guns, Romney is giving away free puppies, fox news, fair and
Hey, you've got fox. The entire AM band, and a bunch of stuff on shortwave
as well. MSNBC is unapologetically liberal. Don't expect an apology.
Chris Matthews, Ed Schultz and others on MSNBC are the antithesis of news. They
are not journalists, but rather flagrant campaigners for Mr. Obama. Mendacity is
not even an issue when you are being that buffoonish, as in Stephanie Cutter,
Joe Biden, Debbie Wassermann-Schultz ad nauseum.
This article says more about the the Editorial Board's fantasy in assessing
or comparing objective journalism than anything else.
Re: "Kind of hard to even have a rational discussion . . . ."I agree -- leftist dogma is so far from rational, it's hard to
assimilate, let alone understand.The "bases" of my argument,
same as that of most real people, is that truth leans neither right nor left --
it just is. It's the job of "news" outlets to report the truth with
a minimum of spin, identify their opinions as such, and leave real people to
draw appropriate conclusions from the facts.As even Walter Cronkite
eventually got old and crotchety enough to admit, "mainstream" media
have not done that job for many, many years. They have a long, long history of
telling us only the part of the story that supports their agenda, suppressing or
spinning anything that doesn't, and spouting leftist ideology as fact.FoxNews, for all its faults, is at least not tainted by that shameful
past, and comes closer than most to doing journalism's job.MSNBC, on the other hand, is stuck in, even proud of, the discredited Cronkite
whether you believe one or the other group is fair, pew research polls say that
only 29 percent believe news organizations are accurate in reporting the news.
Only 18 percent believe the media is unbiased. This is a poll of both liberals
and conservatives. What it means is most people don't believe they can get
a straight answer from the press.
@procuradorfiscalfox news tries to find ground truth? Kind of hard to even
have a rational discussion when the bases of your argument is so far from
Re: "It takes a lot of chutzpa for a conservative columnist, from the
conservative Washington Post . . . ."Conservative columnist?
Conservative Washington Post? Talk about chutzpah!The flawed basis
of liberals' incessant whine is that modern media outlets no longer embrace
or advance their warped, radical, leftist, Cronkite-esque view of the universe,
which they disingenuously define as "truth." That view rests on the
socialist propagandist's disingenuous dogma that truth has a left or right
slant, and that it's the leftist's job to ridicule, prohibit, co-opt,
or shout down anything other than that leftist slant.Truth actually
doesn't have a left/right slant.FoxNews, more so than others,
at least, typically attempts to find ground truth and report it. If they say a
poll shows "X," that a person said "Y," or that "Z"
occurred or didn't occur -- most likely, it's true. When they report
opinion, it's identified as such.The same cannot be said of
corporate MSNBC, though certain reporters may be exceptions that prove the rule.
@1conservative"I'm glad PMSNBC"What are you, a
The business model worked for Fox, so MSNBC decided that was the way to go.
@1conservative -- PMSNBC? I don't get it. What's the joke? Does it
mean macho men don't watch the channel or are you trying to say that
it's a woman's channel so it's silly and not worth listening to
The story SHOULD say: "MSNBC and FoxNews lead the way for unobjective
journalists." Both of them shill for a particular part of the political
spectrum (just like the DesNews in the print medium). That's why I
strongly advocate for people reading all sources across the political spectrum,
and then realize that there is truth and falsity in ALL of them.
Pot (kathleen parker) meet kettle (MSNBC).
1conservativeWEST VALLEY CITY, UTI'm glad PMSNBC is on cable.
============ I knew it, I knew!I just knew
there would be at least one Rush Limbaugh Ditto-head to parrot his
male-chavenistic name for it.
I am not so sure that MSNBC calls themselves "fair and balanced" like
Fox News. So who is really not objective when they claim to be.
I'm glad PMSNBC is on cable. I don't take nor want cable.The problem is even the free networks are "all in" for Obama. ABC and
NBC BOTH make sure they do a large amount of cheerleading for the Democratic
party. CBS isn't so bad. PBS, I think have begun to be a little less
left-leaning. Maybe because of the threat of de-funding?
For this newspaper to publish an opinion piece decrying political bias in news
organizations is just... well, let's just say it's the best
belly-laugh I've had in a long time.
poor little liberal victimsits tough to swallow your own medicine
foxnews isn't even a news network, but an entertainment one. Yet, many from the right take everything they hear on fox as truth. Foxnews makes MSNBC look like the most authentic and truthful media out there.
The assessment that MSNBC is not objective is fair. The assessment that Fox
News is not objective is fair. Both are largely uncritical of their side and
critical of the other. If one were to watch them both, side by side, however,
I'm still not sure the viewing public would be served. I once
thought the age of real-time information would bring real-time understanding.
It has not. It has only made the world a more confusing place. People seek out
information sources that match their preconceptions, if not misconceptions. To see how people can be manipulated by these news sources is
No rant about FOX? Funny how conservatives think everything should be reported
in favor of them.
I would have to agree with Ms Parkers assessment of MSNBC. I was also glad
that she noted "Morning Joe" as an exception. This is one show I DVR
daily.MSNBC is certainly a left leaning network. And some are
"hard to stomach" left. One must be partisan delusional to not
recognize that.What I dont understand is the people who watch Fox
News daily, and then complain about MSNBC's agenda.Anyone who
thinks Fox is fair and balanced is equally delusional. And that's OK. Just
recognize it for what it is..
It takes a lot of chutzpa for a conservative columnist, from the conservative
Washington Post, to criticize MSNBC, for being liberal! Anyone who watches
MSNBC for over 3 minutes can tell that they have a liberal slant on the news,
just like anyone who watches Fox can tell that they are a mouthpiece for the
Republican Party. It looks to me like Ms. Parker is upset because the liberals
have found a popular counter balance to the hordes of conservative talking
heads. Watch a Rachel Maddow Show, and then watch Rush, and tell me who makes