I can't wait to see what the libertarians will come up with to defend the
candidate they hoped they would never have to defend. Were all the other
Republican contenders really worse than this loose cannon?
So, Romney changes his message depending on which news outlet he's speaking
to? That sounds like intellectual dishonesty. I would say the same thing is
true of Obama, but Fox News never even invites him to speak, so we may never
know! The media is biased, so are the candidates, and they all will say
whatever they need to get the power. We need a moderate candidate who can speak
his/her mind no matter who the audience is.
Yes ... now that he has won the GOP nomination, he can let his true self (well,
maybe part of it) come out for the world to see.Flip-flop Mitt for
President?I don't think so.
I hope all of you screaming heartless tea partiers get bit by your pet rattle
snakes. It won't kill you but you can get a good look at your $100,000
hospital bill. And don't go to the hospital unless you have all of the
Does anyone doubt that, if you could offer Romney the presidency in return for
keeping Obamacare, Roe v. Wade, and increasing taxes on the those making over $1
Million+ Romney would take the deal in a second? So the policy
issues are just a bunch of baloney he needs to say to win over subgroups of
chumps, ignorant, rubber-stamp Republican voters. The stuff about loving his
parents and kids was real. The problem was that the realness of his love for his
immediate family highlighted his cynicism and phoniness on his Country, his
Wealth, and admiration of his Father.
It doesn't matter so much if its called Obamacare or Romney care.The
important thing is that decent health care be available toall people.
The DN should have included where this article came from to be balanced and
fair. If you don't know where the article came from a DN writer, the
various news outlets or the editor, it is potentially biased toward a side you
don't know. Thanks.
I think Romney needs to see a Doctor for his pre-existing
condition....Etchasketchalitis or flipfloporosis.
This partisan divide has to give way. We have a 50/50 nation and the
Legislative Branch reflects that split. Gridlock is preventing the changes qwe
need to recover from the Great Recession.Two things are needed in
America: TIME (it will take additional years) and COMPROMISE (Democrats
and Republicans nationwide must elect and expect their representatives
(President, Senator, Congressperson) to work hard to compromise. Neither party has a moral edge. They are both equally commendable and with
fault, as are all of us. let's cheer for unification, compromise and
They call him Flipper, Flipper--Faster than lightning. No one you see changes
political stances like he.Oh Mittens, to quote Diamond Joe Quimby on
The Simpsons, "Very well, if that is the way winds are blowing, let it not
be said that I don't also blow.""A well-lubricated
Weather Vane" --John Huntsman Jr. So True!
I think it is funny that everyone is saying that Romney said that
"Obamacare" was "ALL bad." I'm pretty sure if you thought
he said that he was talking about disagreeing with the plan as a whole. However,
since "Obamacare" was formed after "Romneycare" I think it would
be pretty foolish of anyone to think that Romney would ever disagree with the
entire reform if he implemented parts of it himself in Massachusetts. You people
are just looking for a fight and you are portraying yourselves as very ignorant
to the very recent past. How can your statements be validated?
The campaign has already pulled this back saying that Romney is against any ban
on discriminating based on pre-existing conditions. They claim that the free
market would take care of it (nonsense, free markets sure as heck weren't
taking care of it before Obamacare, why would they do it after?).
I think insurance is flawed in it's basic philosophy. I must admit that it
has benefited me at times. I think we should consider taking out loans on
medical bills. The reality of insurance is that we are paying a loan, for which
we intend on receiving the benefit in the future, but we do not know the
specific value of that benefit and for which we may never receive the benefit
from. This means that people have an incentive to go to the doctor for the most
absurd things (using money in the pool)to increase their personal value of their
"debt"... I honestly don't think that reforming a flawed idea is
going to fix the problem. I think the problem is better addressed with a new
philosophy and by cutting medical costs...starting with making the barrier to
entry to be a doctor significantly easier making it cheaper to become a doctor
and driving down their salaries. The public won't like that because they
think it means health care will suffer. What it really means is more health
care for more people and doctors with less debt and lower salaries.
Better be careful about tipping your hand too much, Mitt. The GOP right wing is
suffering from insomnia wondering what kind of a grab bag they've decided
to go with.I'm so glad Obama pulled out all the stops to punch
this legislation through and that the Supreme Court didn't strike it down.
The Affordable Care Act isn't what this old lefty wanted to see passed but
it was the best the President could deliver on given the stiff opposition he had
to surmount. Now we have a structure in place.
As expected, the leftist media working to control public opinion by stirring up
controversy. The fact is the media does control the thinking and beliefs of a
good chunk of the population. Their target includes those people who don't
have strong opinions or convictions and are easily swayed. If the media decided
tomorrow to back Romney, they would too.But the media doesn't
want any Republican in office. Period. And this newspaper, like other dwindling
media outlets across this nation, continues to feed to the non-thinking public
what they are to think--and that is that Romney is flip-flopping again.On the contrary. If Romney had said that there was nothing good in the entire
Obamacare program, I would have considered that a lie. And that comment alone
would, to me, have been controversial.
IMO, repeal ACA (aka obamacare); Repeal the whole thing. The Constitution does
not grant the federal government the power to make such laws. Powers not
explicitly granted the federal government are given to the state governments.
Unfortunately that has not seemed to have been a problem for the past few
administrations.If a nation-wide policy is to be introduced
don't try to pass a massive do-everything plan all at once. Introduce
small changes and test its impact. One thing that might be done first is to
open interstate competition of insurance companies. Surely Mitt, Mr.
Businessman, knows the advantage of competition to lower prices. Apparently
this is something that Barrack did not pickup on in Econ 101. But that is not
profitable for the insurance companies, and they took part in the design of ACA.
So --- What we hear NOW is that "some" parts of Obamacare
are "good"....When just weeks ago we kept hearing the line
that it was ALL bad, and ALL needed to be replaced.Guess what?Obamacare didn't change,Romney did.Flip-Flop.
In any state's legislative process, the legislature makes the bills and
passes them for the Governor to sign. In Massachusetts, with a Democrat party
led legislature, the President is using Governor Romney's name as a
political gain when talking about the health care bill that was passed.
Obamacare, however, was pushed and pulled through Congress without any hint at
all of across the aisle and even within his own party, a friendly gesture. The
President used his forces, pressures and undermining of Democrat Representatives
and Senators from getting elected due to their votes for something the people
didn't want. There are some good things in that healthcare
bill as with what the President calls Romneycare for his own political gain.
However, there are plenty of hidden things or pieces that have moral
implications, that any reasonable person would question. Even Speaker Pelosi
said that they should pass the bill so they could read it. What she really
meant is that there were changes going on to the end so if you pass it, then you
could get exactly what they had written. Prior to passing the bill it was
changing, minute by minute and not readable.Caution!
Isn't it interesting how Mr. Romney changes his stripes yet again when he
sees his standing in the race dropping. Does this man actually stand for
anything?And to those who complain that the individual mandate is an
affront to their liberty, I say balderdash! I guarantee that those individuals
who do not have insurance and lack the funds for their emergency medical care
will still expect to be cared for when they are in a car crash. When they are
diagnosed with cancer at age 28, they will expect to receive medical care and
they will decry the system if they don't get it. And in a country as rich
and as compassionate as ours, they should receive care. They seek to be
irresponsible freeloaders, gaming the system to their advantage, convinced in
their childish thoughts that they are omnipotent, that nothing bad will ever
happen to them. They need to grow up.
I'm going to campaign on repealing Obamacare, replace it with my own and
have it be the same thing, and say, Look what I did. He won't explain what
loopholes he's closing either. This guy has no plan, and keeps playing coy
hoping folks will fall for it. Maybe the debates will finally make him talk!
Mitt the flip and here comes his flop.
Whoa Mitt,This man might be after my vote after all. Cost to repeal Obamacare is $80 billion, if he can change it for less he might
be starting to think. I find myself somewhat more interested in
what else he has to say.By the way there was months of debate prior
to the passing of the current health care bill, just some refused to engage in
the debate.I look at the numbers and vote with the same and
according to the tax office in the next term Pres Obama will increase the
deficit by 800 billion and Mr. Romney will increase the decifit by 1.2 trillion.
The $80 Billion to do away with the current healthcare system is
included in the 1.2 trillion deficit Mr. Romney will incur so if he continues to
chop away at his deficit spending Mr. Romney may very well earn my vote in the
next 2 months.
Im with you Schwa.It is very easy to bash someone elses plan. Why?
Plans have details. Otherwise, it is not a plan, it is an idea.It
is easy to say "I will cut spending, fix healthcare and create jobs, lower
taxes and reduce the deficit while increasing military spending"But when those ideas turn into PLANS, then we can see HOW these things will be
accomplished.Because, if Romney can do all of those things
simultaneously, and has valid plans to do them, he would get my vote. And he could probably also walk on water.
Not to worry. The Romney campaign later clarified, for the T-party, that they
only meant those with pre-existing conditions that had no lapses in coverage.
Pendulum politics at its best.
It wasn't conservative republicans who voted for Mitt in the primaries,It was middle of the road republicans. So when Mitt said what heDid, he
IS appealing to his base.Given his past history, he is also being
true to himself and his ideals.
The header to this article is highly misleading and the content of the article
tells us nothing more than what Mitt Romney has said for months on the campaign
trail. You would almost think that the Deseret News is in the Obama camp and is
pushing for support for Obama. Misleading articles are more the norm now than
the exception. We can get obfuscation from the New York Times. We would expect
accuracy in reporting from the Deseret News. Sadly, the DN is showing a brand of
reporting that is typical of the yellow journalism that we see in the liberal
This is why we can't allow any form of Romney health care plans. The Mass
and Utah plan that Romney designed are both in trouble and criminally under the
control or state health care agency's that do not value the privacy of ones
Dr/patient rights and share all private information with every other government
and police department in the state.Previously Utah is subversive and
without consent but new Obama care ACA laws is forcing Utah doctors and health
care to have patients sign consent forms to allow government and state
agency's access to all personal and private medical information. In other
words revoking the Dr/patient privileged information laws by consent.Romney is a closet liar about health care and our rights and he plans to
institute the same program, laws, and costs to individuals in his plan. National
and socialized health care insurance must be revoked in every form and Reamonn a
free enterprise and independent service. Romney has no plans to repeal Obama
care, its already a law that can be manipulated by his ideas and tax laws.I hope Ron Paul is still in the wings for my vote.
I am still waiting for someone to explain I me how he intends to cover those
with pre-existing conditions without some sort of requirement for everyone to
have insurance or driving the cost of insurance through the roof! I still
don't think it's possible, and no commenters here have even begun to
Actually, it's not as simple as you don't have insurance you pay a
penaly. There is a multitued of exceptions erasing the penalty. Personally I
think Romney would have been far better off with I'm going to repeal
Obamacare. He's going to have a heck of a time parsing the differences
now, and while tpartiers have no one else to vote, they could very easily become
so disapointed with him they stay home.
Shimlau: Well, you are right and you are wrong. Where
you're wrong. Obamacare (for lack of a better term) is CONSTITUTIONAL
unless the Republicans don't believe in the sanctity of the Supreme Court
especially when five of the Supreme Court justices were appointed by Republican
Presidents including the Chief Justice John Roberts who gave the deciding vote.
I was taught in government class that the Supreme Court makes decisions on
matters of what is constitutional so I'll have to go with that.But you are right, it is a TAX. That apart of the Affordable Healthcare Act I
don't particularly like either.
Well, you know, it was passed and now we know what's in it! I'm sure
that there are parts that are indeed good ideas, but the way it was passed,
wasn't. Now that we have looked it over, maybe it is time to get rid of
it, or at least most of it.
@WMRfanHate to burst your bubble but the Romney team has already taken
that back with an aide of his telling the National Review that Romney does not
support the ACA's ban on discriminating against people with pre-existing
@ Wonder,So, obviously you won't go to jail if you don't have
insurance, but you ARE FORCED to pay a "fine" (or lets face it, another
tax) if you don't have insurance. How is that constitutional? It is so
unAmerican it's disgusting. No freedom to choose what one wants. Slowly but
surely a loss of freedoms.
@dumprake -- Under Obamacare you are not forced to buy insurance or go to jail.
Stop believing all the kooky emails you get. My personal philosophy: if
something you read in an email is absolutely outrageous, it most likely
isn't true. Under Obamacare you pay a penalty if you don't have
insurance, but rest assured, you won't go to jail. You also won't be
killed by a death panel or any of the other insane things you've probably
been told by people whose goal is to get you all worked up.
Here he goes again...Mitt Romney said only Mitt Romney's healthcare
program IN Massachusetts was acceptable. Mitt Romney said everything was
wrong with Obamacare.Mitt Romney said Obamacare was a disaster.He
said....Shall we take a couple of hours, and count all that Mitt Romney
continues to lie about, and change his mind on?
Actually Mitt recanted this position when being interviewed when on a
conservative website. Mitt will say anything to get elected...his has changed
his position on more issues since becoming a political animal then a chameleon
changes colors. He does this while he is disingenuous about the President's
There's a world of difference. For starters, if you don't like Mass
you can move to another state, but a national policy gives you no option--which
is the Democrats approach to everything. Secondly, Romeny's plan is not a
mandate, but it does change some things that need changing, plus several things
that Obamacare refused to include, like liability limits for doctors, and the
elimination of all the bureaucratic boards and control of healthcare. Nobody is
arguing that our healthcare could use a few improvements, but locking everybody
in a closet and forcing them to pay or go to jail is so unAmerican it is jaw
dropping. But Obama and the Democrats had no reservations about doing such a
I don't know why all the grief--parts of the health care plan are probably
good ideas and parts aren't. I can't say why saying that is a bad
thing. Until either party can actually admit the other party might have a good
idea here or there, our country is doomed to go down the tubes...
What is so offensive about Obamacare is 1) the way it was passed, 2) that there
was no serious debate or discussion, 3) that Obama did not even pretend to
include Republicans or anybody else in the discussion, and 4) the anti-America,
individual mandate that says you will buy this or we will make you a criminal,
we will fine you and make life miserable for you. No sane person with any sense
of individual liberty would ever force something like this on Americans--and it
was forced upon us. Something this big, this significant, this costly, and this
dictatorial, should ever be passed without at least a year of serious discussion
and debate. Pelosi's statement, "we must pass this so can find out
what's in it, is so absurd and so offensive, she should have been impeached
Two months left to election day. Better make my move to the center to get those
Independents - and hope the TPers don't notice.
Oh Yes. The Romney that I hoped was there is beginning to come to the forefront.
I can now enthusiastically support him. FDR had his day and now WMR can learn
from his mistakes and be an improvement. The distinctions and contrasts with the
current president cannot be taken lightly. There is a difference and if the
fanatical right wants to pout and throw tantrums (as they did when Clinton was
handed the presidency and the beginning of a robust economy) then we must
identify them as our real enemies.
another etch-a-sketch moment...but we saw this coming. afterall,
obamacare was modeled after romneycare.
Govenor Romney left his one term in office with a 35% approval rating. The
Republicans nominated a lemon and now they are trying to convince us it's
''One is to make sure that those with pre-existing conditions can get
coverage.""And even in Massachusetts when I was governor,
our plan there deals with pre-existing conditions and with young people."Yes Mr Romney, These things were made possible BECAUSE you instituted an
Insurance Mandate.Without the mandate, people will not purchase
coverage UNTIL they get sick. Healthy people and young people will not pay into
the insurance pool.It is really a fairly simple concept.
It's simple, he will just get rid of all the ficticious lies surrounding
the ACA as soon as he renames it as his own.He can have exactly the
same plan under the guise that democrat bad, republican good.He's allready done it. Romney care in Mass IS the same thing. And the
individual mandate WAS the reoublicans idea in the first place.They
just won't lie about death panels and government takeovers when it's
thier plan that does exactly the same thing.
"One is to make sure that those with pre-existing conditions can get
coverage."Can someone please explain to me how Mitt Romney plans
to eliminate exclusion for those with pre-existing conditions without an
individual mandate, without a government program to do it, and without shooting
health care costs through the roof? Because I do not believe it is possible.