Re: Wonder Provo, UT"Obama 2012!"Most economists agree
that we are headed for another downturn in our economy. They just can't
agree on whether it will be a recession ..... or a depression.Winners produce results. Losers look to blame someone else.
Exactly right worf. Vote for Bush policies once (well twice), shame on him.
Vote for the same policies again in 2012, shame on me. Obama 2012!
If you don't work, you don't eat----John Smith, 1605Our
country may have enough beggars and wimps to re-elect Obama.
The Deseret News is so adept at presenting one side only that the entire state
of Utah is going to be shocked when Obama wins going away...
And tell me, are the jobless, poor who are living on government dole going to
pay off the debt Bush and Obama have strapped onto this nation? Bush
wasn't good for the economy, but Obama isn't good anything American
except his family.
Everything is George Bushes fault and Obama has turned things around. Voting
for Romney would bring back those old Bush policies which got us into this mess.
Voting for Obama is a move forward.A fool is someone who believes a
lie. Kick me once and shame on you. Kick me twice and shame on me.
Unemployment dropped from 8.3% to 8.1%. I want a montage of Romney saying,
"10-1/2% isn't good enough," "10% isn't good enough,"
"9-1/2% isn't good enough," "9% isn't good enough,"
"8-1/2% isn't good enough," "8% isn't good enough"...
If this isn't the right direction, then what is?
OK - I'll play along....When was the last time a 1st term
Democratic President, With the a tanked economy, Growing deficiet,
stagnant GDP, high une-mployment, and raising Oil
prices?....Jimmy Carter - 1979Ronald Reagan won 44 of
the 50 States, 489 vs. 89 of the Electoral College votes (wtih only 270
needed to win) Romney just needed to show-up to repeat history.And he's loosing right now, Obama 332, Romney 206This shouldn't be happening, but THAT'S how bad he is.
Re: UtahCentrist Salt Lake City, UT"When are Republican's going
to man up for THEIR failures?"Winners produce results while
losers look for someone else to blame. Obama has had 3 1/2 years to show some
results. Since he can't cut it the time has come to elect someone who
proved with the 2002 Winter Olympics that he knows how to get the job done ....
without making excuses.
e:MountanmanWhat of Bush's "Ownership Society?" From the "Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission" report: Widespread failures in financial regulation and supervision proved
devastating to the stability of the nation’s financial markets.Dramatic failures of corporate governance and risk management at many
systemically important financial institutions were a key cause of this
crisis.A combination of excessive borrowing, risky investments, and
lack of transparency put the financial system on a collision course with
crisis.The government was ill prepared for the crisis, and its
inconsistent response added to the uncertainty and panic in the financial
markets.There was a systemic breakdown in accountability and
ethics.Lenders made loans that they knew borrowers could not afford and
that could cause massive losses to investors in mortgage securities....They knew
a significant percentage of the sampled loans did not meet their own
underwriting standards or those of the originators. Nonetheless, they sold those
securities to investors.Collapsing mortgage-lending standards and
the mortgage securitization pipeline lit and spread the flame of contagion and
crisis.Over-the-counter derivatives contributed significantly to
this crisis.The failures of credit rating agencies were essential
cogs in the wheel of financial destruction.
One year ago, Obama laid out a series of policies to spur job growth called the
American Jobs Act. The American Jobs Act included investment in
infrastructure, tax credits to encourage employment and consumer spending and
help for state and local budgets to prevent further layoffs of firefighters, law
enforcement and teachers. Moody’s Analytics estimated the
American Jobs Act would create 1.9 million jobs and add two percent to gross
domestic product.The Economic Policy Institute estimated it would
create 2.6 million jobs and protect an addition 1.6 million existing jobs.Macroeconomic Advisers predicted it would create 2.1 million jobs and
boost GDP by 1.5 percent.Goldman Sachs estimated it would add 1.5
percent to GDP.So what happened? We all know the answer.
It went nowhere in Congress.
For those of you insisting that it was GWB that caused our economic collapse, as
a former banker, let me try to educate you. It was actually the federal
government meddling in the housing market with sub-prime mortgages issued to
people who had no hope of servicing their loans initiated during the Clinton
years. Of course when hundreds of billions in bad mortgages were never repaid,
banks ended up holding all this government induced credit as toxic assets.
Bottom line, the federal government caused our economy to bust and Bill Clinton
was much more complicit than GWB. Then there were the billions in UAW pension
funds that automakers had no hope of paying, thus the bailouts to the UAW and
the banks! Ergo here we are today. If we refuse to accept the cause, how can we
ever fix it?
Romney wants to return to the policies that caused the economy to trainwreck
while his friends in the Congress block all jobs legislation.
Given his broad-drawn proposals, Romney would make things much worse. He
appears to want to go back to the policies of the prior administration -- the
policies that caused the problem in the first place. No thanks.
Well mitt must have been creating a lot of jobs, with all the tax breaks
he's been given, so perhaps he can list his accomplishments in the
last 4 years. Yeah, he's been collecting money from other
wealthy people who want more tax breaks and less oversight and no environmental
regulation this is mitt's platform. Oh yeah he's been hiding his
wealth all over the world to keep those jealous hoards from the sin of envy.
Centrist,actually it was barney frank (D) Mass that is responsible for the
housing bubble that tanked the economy.
@patriot"Obama voters don't work anyway so unemployment and
jobs reports don't apply to them."Patriot, sometimes I wish
you'd keep your comments to yourself.
empty rhetoric did not win you the last election what makes you think it is
going to work this time?
I find it interesting that the general stereotype of republican capitalists is
that they are looking out of the "good ole boys" and that they just want
to make the rich richer, and yet the areas in which the democratic party has the
most power and influence are often the areas where the largest disparity between
the poor and the rich...for example New York...Chicago...mere
coincidence?...maybe. If the American people believe the economy can recover
overnight they are delusional, but it's also fair to say that Obama has
failed make improvements that justify the amount of money he spent. @UtahCentrist: The comment you're quoting is probably meant to be
a satirical comment. The idea is that Obama and democrats tend to target the
poor (not always true, but often true). Democratic voting people often support
increased welfare and other social programs to help the poor...one reason they
might support those is because they receive benefit from them. Was the comment
prejudiced?...maybe not as much as you think. A true centrist would have found
it funnier and would have been less critical, presumably because he understands
both sides. Take it easy and laugh.
"When is Obama going to "man up" and take responsibility for his
failures?"When are Republican's going to man up for THEIR
failures? The economy crashed under their watch.You can't
position yourself as a solution to a problem if you do not acknowledge your own
part in the initial problem. Republican's are trying to create a time warp
where it was Obama, and not Bush, who was the steward of the economy when it
went belly up.Republican's are trying to pin every and all
economic problem on Obama, even those that started before he was elected and
have never once admitted that their ideas may have contributed to the crash in
the first place. Talk about not "manning up."
Bill Clinton's campaign slogan was "It's the economy, stupid".
When is Obama going to "man up" and take responsibility for his
failures? Probably easier for him to blame the Republicans and the alignment of
the stars against him.
"Obama voters don't work anyway so unemployment and jobs reports
don't apply to them."It's hilarious, the lies people
tell themselves to justify their prejudices...
To the democrats the most important thing about a leader is the feelings they
get when listening to them read from the teleprompter and smile and wave at
them. That alone is their science and well thought out plan in selecting a
leader. As long as there is tingling up the leg and talk about tolerance and
acceptance (unless your opinion doesn't match theirs).The fact
is more people are out of work. Yes jobs have been created. Millions of them.
But, when you lose 4 jobs for every job created. That is a net loss. Same thing
with the auto bailout. They lost money and are losing billions from it. He was
going to save all of the money from war to pay down the debt. The problem is we
were borrowing to pay for the war to begin with. He has continued the same
borrowing and run up our debt.When your car isn't working well
and you take it to the mechanic and it runs worse after he has repaired it, and
you take it back and he tells you let's try adding this part to it and see
what happens.Wejust need more time...
Romney needs to turn up the heat; but the turning point will be the debates when
it becomes obvious that Romney is not the evil being Obama has been trying to
portray him as (because Obama cannot run on his owe record - he must negate the
Obama voters don't work anyway so unemployment and jobs reports don't
apply to them.