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Published: Friday, Sept. 7 2012 12:00 a.m. MDT

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embarrassed Utahn!
Salt Lake City, UT

Yet there are people who are convinced that Mr. Job Creator Romney has all the answers, even though the fact is that Romney's party is responsible for the economic struggles we are now facing.

You are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts. Keep spinning, waste your vote, and enjoy President Obama's next term.

Makid
Kearns, UT

The Republicans were against the many plans to reduce the deficit. All because Obama wanted a 10 to 1 ratio of cuts to increases all to lower the deficit. The Republicans also didn't want any cuts to defense spending. They only wanted cuts to the social programs and programs they don't like.

We can speculate all day about what would have happened if the Republicans had been willing to actually lower the deficit but unfortunately we will never know what benefits the country could have seen if the party of "No" had actually cared about reducing the deficit instead of doing what they could to try to make Obama a 1 term president.

Baron Scarpia
Logan, UT

Yes, we clearly need a new congress!

Time Magazine had an article recently that outlined the post-2008 GOP congressional strategy centered on opposing anything initiated by Obama so that he would not have any bipartisan victories. It is a chilling article that reveals how the GOP has selfishly put its interests in "winning" in 2012 at the expense of allowing Obama to initiate fixes to the nation's economy.

Bailouts under Bush enjoyed wide bipartisan support. Under Obama, such intiatives were framed as "socialism." Stimulus under Bush were supported as "tax relief." Under Obama, stimulus was described as "evil Keynesian eocnomics" and "adding to the deficit" (created by Bush no less).

I congratulate the GOP on its excellent storytelling and narratives to sway the public. It has, however, cost America a faster resolution to our problems.

Obama is destined to win re-election. The American people will expect more bipartisanship over the next four years as Obama will not have to think about another election for himself and will likely be tougher mess with.

Darrel
Eagle Mountain, UT

We must have listened to different speaches. I thought that President Clinton did a fantastic job of making a case for four more years. I thought he did a fantastic job of addressing the other campaigns ideas. It was in my opinion, the best speach of either convention.

Esquire
Springville, UT

I have been asking for five years, Mr. Romney, give me at least one serious, concrete, detailed proposal. It has never come. Give me a reason. Nothing except he is not Obama. Did you know that a mere eight days, yes eight days, after Obama took the oath of office, Romney was criticizing him for not turning around the economy. Romney doesn't stand for America, he stands only for himself. And this letter is about personal attacks, and not one word of substance. Must be from a Republican.

pragmatistferlife
salt lake city, utah

Who has no new solutions? Romneys' plan is simply reduce taxes (corporate, and personal), reduce regulations on businesses, and cut government spending programs. Whether you believe in this program or not you can't seriously think there is anything new here at all. It's the Republican formula for good times, and it's there formula for bad times. Circumstances matter however. Tell me with 3.8 million jobs posted and going unfilled because people with the appropriate skills can't be found, and 23 million unemployed, how does it make sense to want to cut education spending including tuition support?

Last night the President committed to tax reform, entitlement reform, investment in new industries, investment in education, and social equlity. Sorry but those are new ideas compared to the last 28 years of Repbulican rule.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

Every person in America is $16,600 poorer because of Obama. That's the amount of debt that he has put on EACH OF US. That is a debt that must be paid. It will take decades for me to repay that debt because with less than $50 a month in "extra" income, there is nothing to use to pay a debt that Obama has heaped on us.

He doesn't care that that he has put us under the burden to pay for his folly. He still visits the golf course several times a week. He still perfects his bowling game in his private bowling alley several times a week. He still plays cards on Air Force One and scolds anyone who does not pay strict attention to the card game. That is what he does. That is who he is.

Empty promises have destroyed my family's ability to function financially. Empty promises have destroyed my customers, who can't sell their products to people who have no money to spend.

Obama has destroyed the economy. A lie is a lie, no matter how good the speaker.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

Romney is a wooden, cold speaker with no plan.

Ernest T. Bass
Bountiful, UT

Neither party has a plan and neither party will have a plan until they stop being purchased by corporations, big banks and Wall Street.
That said, dems aren't owned by those entities nearly as much as the repubs are so vote dem.

Hemlock
Salt Lake City, UT

It's called All hat and no cattle.

Nonconlib
Happy Valley, UT

No, Mike, not because of Obama. We are poorer because of the system we have embraced since the 1880s, in which corporations rule and funnel all the wealth to the top. It is a system that, after decades of lawsuits, finally bought enough Supreme Court justices to declare corporations "persons," with all the rights of individuals under the 14th Amendment and other parts of the Constitution. This system grows through debt accumulation. First, corporate and consumer debt, and then, when the consumers are maxed out, through government debt—government being the consumer of last resort.

The system reached a limit of sorts in September 2008. Because we have not reformed the system, we are left with the logical result of its imperatives: debt. And if Romney wins in 2012, the system will eat him alive as it has eaten Obama. Of course, he's bent on feeding it, not taming or reforming it, so he will likely enjoy being devoured.

"You can't make a silk purse out of a pig's ear." No, but the letter writer somehow managed to make a pig's ear out of a silk purse. Quite a trick.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

Every person in America is $16,600 poorer because of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

I am sure that is somehow different. Can your $50 extra dollars pay for that?

Kent C. DeForrest
Provo, UT

"Obama has destroyed the economy." Wow, what a fantasy. I happen to remember what things were like when Obama took office. We were looking over the precipice, waiting to take a flying leap. Wall Street had just tried to commit hara-kiri, banks weren't lending, businesses were shedding jobs like a dog losing its winter coat, the auto industry was about to give up the ghost, and the housing market was a train wreck. So, Mike Richards, which part of this did Obama destroy?

You're right, he's not perfect. Certainly not if you look at his work through the black-tinted glasses of the toxic GOP. But I'd give him pretty high marks on a lot of things, particularly considering the fact that he has had to deal with an opposition party that has one goal—destroying him—a goal GOP leaders weren't shy about declaring in public.

If you look at where most of that $16,600 comes from, though, it is from Bush's two wars and Bush's tax cuts. So, please, don't take it so personal that someone from the other party won an election.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

Okay children, let's do our math assignment. Here's the story problem for today. Obama increased the deficit by $5.5 TRILLION dollars since he has been in office. (That has nothing to do with "Bush's war"; that is strictly the money that Obama spent since taking office.) There are about 330,000,000 Americans. How much does EVERY American owe because of OBAMA's spending? $5.5 TRILLION / 330 MILLION = $16,666 per citizen.

Obama added that to the $10 TRILLION that already existed before he took office. He has increased the deficit by 1/3rd in less than four years. The deficit started with Washington in 1789, It took 219 years for the deficit to grow to $10 trillion and only 3.5 years under Obama for it to grow another $5.5 trillion.

Give Obama credit. He has spent money faster than any other person in history. He has laid a bill on each faster than any other President in history. He OWNS that debt. He spent it. No on forced him to do it. He did it on his own.

Kent C. DeForrest
Provo, UT

Uncle! You're right, Mike. Obama did this all by himself. Congress had nothing to do with it. Especially not the House, where any attempt to actually pay for even our necessary expenses with real tax dollars instead of funny money (debt) is out of the question.

No, let's just cut $1.2 trillion from the budget and see how many jobs go down the drain. This will make the Great Recession look like a picnic, especially since the Tea Party won't allow another government infusion of cash to stop the bleeding.

It's rather simple-minded to blame one person for a problem that all of us, even Republicans, are responsible for in one way or another. Only when we all stop behaving as children will we be able to deal with our debt problem. And it is OUR problem, not Obama's.

Makid
Kearns, UT

What increases has Obama put forth? Obamacare? Paid for with taxes in itself. It will actually increase revenue and lower the deficit.

Stimulus of 2008? That was passed before he took office and was done under Bush. Tarp? Passed under Bush. There was the $800 Billion stimulus that included $450 Billion in tax cuts.

To see what he actually has done, we need to look at what he has done since taking office. At the same time, we have to also look at what the republicans have stopped. Such as the numerous plans to reduce the deficit through a 10 to 1 cuts to increase. Obama even agreed to a full 1 Trillion in cuts a year including to entitlements such as Social Security and Medicare all he wanted was a small increase in revenues. The Democrats embraced this plan and the Republicans balked.

So before anyone says it is Obama's fault, look at who stopped the reductions to the deficit and then complains about it. The same group of people...and they say don't look at us, it's Obama's fault.

Eric Samuelsen
Provo, UT

Okay, Mike Richards, so let's look at the numbers.
The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan involved continuing commitments. It would have been completely irresponsible for the President to just end those wars immediately after taking office.
The Medicare expansion was a continuing commitment. And it was a good idea, all except for the 'not funding it' part.
The Bush tax cuts, he could have immediately ended. But no way was he getting that through Congress.
And with the economy in free-fall, tax revenues were way down. Not his fault either, right?
The GM bailout, in addition to being completely constitutional, also made money.
Obamacare is completely funded.
That leaves the stimulus bill. Which saved millions of jobs, and ended the free-fall.
I know what Republicans wanted. Immediate austerity, like Cameron did in Great Britain. Immediate budget cuts. And we've seen how well that worked in Britain. It's proven to be a complete catastrophe.
So, sorry, your 'Obama was fiscally irresponsible' narrative is not supported by facts.

Ford DeTreese
Provo, UT

Ya know, I think I've finally figured out Mike Richards. He must be a liberal who posts these incredibly far-right comments to show just how irrational conservative rhetoric really is. There's really no other explanation. Clever, Mike, very clever.

Rifleman
Salt Lake City, Utah

Re: embarrassed Utahn! Salt Lake City, UT
"Keep spinning, waste your vote, and enjoy President Obama's next term."

Time to dust of Bill Clinton's slogan that goes: "It's the economy, stupid".
The phase "He who laughs last, laughs best" will apply this November 6th.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

Mike,

A trillion dollars of debt is a trillion dollars of debt.

The debt doesn't care where it came from. It costs the same regardless.

We need to scrutinize ALL Deficit spending. Not just the spending we dont like, or that which was done under a different president.

But the partisans on the Right only complain about the lefts spending, and vice versa.

You say that Obamas 5.5 Trillion had nothing to do with Bush's war. Hardly true. We are spending quite a bit still in Iraq and Afghanistan.

And ending those wars is getting the wrath of the right.

Again, I am not defending Obama, but rest assured, he had lots of help spending that money. And a bunch of those that helped have a big R by their names.

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