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Howell totes scriptures around with him at DNC

Published: Wednesday, Sept. 5 2012 11:33 p.m. MDT

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SLMG
Murtoa Australia, Victoria

JP71

Ogden, UT

@Wonder

LDS leaders have gone out of their way to be neutral. There are no members of the 1st Presidency and the 12 that are Democrats. Being an LDS Democrat is like watching a movie and saying that it was a great movie except for the bad parts.

I do not believe any of us know which political party any of the 1st Presidency or the 12 are affiliated with and it is actually none of our business. We probably will not know until after their deaths as was the case with President Faust when in the talks given at his funeral that he belonged to the Democratic Party. It is best to keep our religion and politics seperate and that is the reason the Church stands on neutral ground.

Straitpath
PROVO, UT

Mr. Howell says there are two good men running for President. I won't argue that, although I would like to. The question then becomes which is the better man? I am really interested in the comment that Democrat Mormons are merely trying to be defiant. I think that could be partially true of the hard line Democrats I know. One couple said they joined the Democrat party because they wanted to change if from within, but I think they are more the type to just try to be different.

common sense in Idaho
Pocatello, id

Just for the record as an independent voter I know members of the church that are both Republican and Democrat. Good people, active in the church and carrying temple recommends. As Elder Faust has said when good people run against each other then we win either way. Like it or not Obama is a good God fearing family man as well as is Romney. From that perspective we win
either way. Many Democrats and Republicans do not agree with everything in their party's platform but they are members of their respective party because they agree with the general party philosophy.

Let us please put it to rest that one cannot be a Democrat and a Mormon. Enough already.

1Observer
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Well Scott, was the "mormon moment" when they removed God from their platform or when they put Him back in? Was the moment when the delegates voted to support gay marriage? Or was the moment when the delgates voted to support abortion under any circumstance? I think the whole "mormon moment" thing is just more pandering by the Democrats to get votes, lacks substance and typifies the current Democratic tactic of telling people what they want to hear without delivering actual results. (That part might actually go for Republicans, too.) As for me, I was a fan of hope and change four years ago, now I'm just hoping for a change from this failed leadership.

Idahoan Spartan
East Lansing, MI

I am grateful to be a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. The teaching and principles taught in the church have made me a better person. I am not grateful for the shunning that I receive, by some members, when they find out that I am a democrat. I don't take this viewpoint because I am an apostate or trying to rebel. I would prefer to fit in and not be the outsider in many conversations that occur at Church functions or out with church friends. It can be awkward when people call you a baby killer or Un-American when they find out that you support President Obama. I know I am neither of these things! I see many virtues in the Republican leaders and platform. I look at Governor Romney and see an extremely smart, accomplished, and hard working candidate, but I see that in President Obama also. Right now I agree more with the Democrat vision of this Nation's future. I could support a republican President, but right now I can't. This is my belief and it is okay for me to be a Mormon.

JP71
Ogden, UT

@LDS Liberal

You’re talking about President Faust who joined a much different Democratic Party. I know that there are currently no members of the 1st Presidency and 12 that are Democrats.

It is a myth to say that we can separate politics and religion. Politics is the tool that steers society in a good direction or a bad direction. The Church has given us the option to choose without telling us what to do. Do not mistake neutrality for apathy. Choices have consequences. The Democratic Party supports abortion, it is pro-homosexuality, it does not support Israel, and it does not want God in their platform. As a member of the LDS Church I do not support or affiliate with groups or organizations that promote these causes.

gharmons
Helendale, CA

The Democrats' idea of compassionate service is to tax people more so that the government can give more to the poor. That may not be the view of all Mormon Democrats, but it is of Harry Reid and of some who have written in the blogs. While the government has a role in helping the poor,providing a safety net, it should not be the major player. Far more families were intact before Johnson's Great Society made it more profitable for fathers to leave the home and for children to be born out of wedlock. So much for compassion.
Why is it that liberals donate far less to charities than do conservatives? Because liberals believe in higher taxation and letting the government take care of the needy.
Then there is the Democratic Party's opposition to any restrictions on abortion, their support of same-sex marriage, their antipathy towards Israel—and much more. 'Nuff said.

coloradopilot
Centennial, CO

LDS Liberal *
A third part of the host of heaven were fooled also and they stood face to face with the Savior and Heavenly Father, and you think a small minority of church members who trust Barack Obama and Harry Reid are right and the others are wrong? Democrats think confiscating money through taxation to "help" the needy is good yet the Church and the Gospel is founded on Common Consent and voluntary service. You can argue all you want about the Democratic Party's position on abortion being more in line with the Church's position but I have to believe that Heavenly Father would side with the "extreme" Republican position and not want to have ANY abortions.
Rationalize all you want, but there really aren't shades of gray when it comes to right and wrong.

BobKjar
Humble, TX

Being a Mormon and a Democrat is a contradiction in terms. Our good Mormon Democrats should read the party platform and the efforts the Democrats are taking to remove God from our lives along with Isreal. Didn't the LDS Church fight against Gay marriage? Yet its acknowledgement is part of the party platform.

coleman51
Orem, UT

When you combine Mormonism with the current Democratic Party, it becomes an oxymoron. No active Latter-Day Saint holding a temple recommend would be part of a Party that is the antithesis of everything we as Latter-Day Saints believe in. I have seen several of my Democratic friends who are active Latter-Day Saints cross over and become Republicans. I suspect that others who are honest will do the same.

RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

From the comments on this thread I have one thing to say. I see a heck of a lot of future judgement from god coming. "Judge not lest ye be judged". There are a heck of a lot of judges on this thread who haven't a clue.

Rifleman
Salt Lake City, Utah

Re: RanchHand Huntsville, UT
"There are a heck of a lot of judges on this thread who haven't a clue."

Isn't is judgmental to accuse someone of being judgmental? There are decent people who belong to both political parties, and neither party has the copyright to the higher road that is less traveled.

It's the old "pot calling the kettle black" thing.

RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

@Rifleman;

Have you read this thread? Mormons essentially calling Mormons who are Dems "sinners", "unworthy", etc.

Tsk, tsk, tsk.

andyjaggy
American Fork, UT

I'm LDS. I'm a Democrat. I guess you all better call up my bishop and start trying to get me ex-communicated.

NeilT
Clearfield, UT

Among promiment Mormom dems, President McKay, Pres. Tannner, Elder Bruce R. McConckie, Pres Faust, Pres. Hugh B. Brown, Elder Jensen and Echohawk of the 70. Congressman Wayne Owens who served as a mission president. COngressman Gunn McKay who did a superb job of representing Utah in congress. There was a Utah democratic legislator that recently resigned to serve as a mission president. It was Senator Moss who was responsible for eliminating tobacco advertising from television. How many so called god fearing Republicans have been caught up in moral scandals. And yes dems to. Just because you have issues with the party platform doesn't give you the right to demonize those who belong to Democratic party. I am not a democratic myself. I would never say some of the things that have posted on here about mormon dems. Way to judgemental.

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