Howell totes scriptures around with him at DNC
Among promiment Mormom dems, President McKay, Pres. Tannner, Elder Bruce R.
McConckie, Pres Faust, Pres. Hugh B. Brown, Elder Jensen and Echohawk of the
70. Congressman Wayne Owens who served as a mission president. COngressman
Gunn McKay who did a superb job of representing Utah in congress. There was a
Utah democratic legislator that recently resigned to serve as a mission
president. It was Senator Moss who was responsible for eliminating tobacco
advertising from television. How many so called god fearing Republicans have
been caught up in moral scandals. And yes dems to. Just because you have issues
with the party platform doesn't give you the right to demonize those who
belong to Democratic party. I am not a democratic myself. I would never say
some of the things that have posted on here about mormon dems. Way to
I'm LDS. I'm a Democrat. I guess you all better call up my bishop and
start trying to get me ex-communicated.
@Rifleman;Have you read this thread? Mormons essentially calling
Mormons who are Dems "sinners", "unworthy", etc. Tsk, tsk, tsk.
Re: RanchHand Huntsville, UT"There are a heck of a lot of judges on
this thread who haven't a clue."Isn't is judgmental to
accuse someone of being judgmental? There are decent people who belong to both
political parties, and neither party has the copyright to the higher road that
is less traveled.It's the old "pot calling the kettle
From the comments on this thread I have one thing to say. I see a heck of a lot
of future judgement from god coming. "Judge not lest ye be judged".
There are a heck of a lot of judges on this thread who haven't a clue.
When you combine Mormonism with the current Democratic Party, it becomes an
oxymoron. No active Latter-Day Saint holding a temple recommend would be part of
a Party that is the antithesis of everything we as Latter-Day Saints believe in.
I have seen several of my Democratic friends who are active Latter-Day Saints
cross over and become Republicans. I suspect that others who are honest will do
Being a Mormon and a Democrat is a contradiction in terms. Our good Mormon
Democrats should read the party platform and the efforts the Democrats are
taking to remove God from our lives along with Isreal. Didn't the LDS
Church fight against Gay marriage? Yet its acknowledgement is part of the party
LDS Liberal *A third part of the host of heaven were fooled also and they
stood face to face with the Savior and Heavenly Father, and you think a small
minority of church members who trust Barack Obama and Harry Reid are right and
the others are wrong? Democrats think confiscating money through taxation to
"help" the needy is good yet the Church and the Gospel is founded on
Common Consent and voluntary service. You can argue all you want about the
Democratic Party's position on abortion being more in line with the
Church's position but I have to believe that Heavenly Father would side
with the "extreme" Republican position and not want to have ANY
abortions. Rationalize all you want, but there really aren't shades
of gray when it comes to right and wrong.
The Democrats' idea of compassionate service is to tax people more so that
the government can give more to the poor. That may not be the view of all
Mormon Democrats, but it is of Harry Reid and of some who have written in the
blogs. While the government has a role in helping the poor,providing a safety
net, it should not be the major player. Far more families were intact before
Johnson's Great Society made it more profitable for fathers to leave the
home and for children to be born out of wedlock. So much for compassion. Why is it that liberals donate far less to charities than do conservatives?
Because liberals believe in higher taxation and letting the government take care
of the needy.Then there is the Democratic Party's opposition to any
restrictions on abortion, their support of same-sex marriage, their antipathy
towards Israel—and much more. 'Nuff said.
@LDS LiberalYou’re talking about President Faust who joined a
much different Democratic Party. I know that there are currently no members of
the 1st Presidency and 12 that are Democrats. It is a myth to say
that we can separate politics and religion. Politics is the tool that steers
society in a good direction or a bad direction. The Church has given us the
option to choose without telling us what to do. Do not mistake neutrality for
apathy. Choices have consequences. The Democratic Party supports abortion, it
is pro-homosexuality, it does not support Israel, and it does not want God in
their platform. As a member of the LDS Church I do not support or affiliate
with groups or organizations that promote these causes.
I am grateful to be a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
The teaching and principles taught in the church have made me a better person.
I am not grateful for the shunning that I receive, by some members, when they
find out that I am a democrat. I don't take this viewpoint because I am an
apostate or trying to rebel. I would prefer to fit in and not be the outsider
in many conversations that occur at Church functions or out with church friends.
It can be awkward when people call you a baby killer or Un-American when they
find out that you support President Obama. I know I am neither of these things!
I see many virtues in the Republican leaders and platform. I look at Governor
Romney and see an extremely smart, accomplished, and hard working candidate, but
I see that in President Obama also. Right now I agree more with the Democrat
vision of this Nation's future. I could support a republican President,
but right now I can't. This is my belief and it is okay for me to be a
Well Scott, was the "mormon moment" when they removed God from their
platform or when they put Him back in? Was the moment when the delegates voted
to support gay marriage? Or was the moment when the delgates voted to support
abortion under any circumstance? I think the whole "mormon moment"
thing is just more pandering by the Democrats to get votes, lacks substance and
typifies the current Democratic tactic of telling people what they want to hear
without delivering actual results. (That part might actually go for
Republicans, too.) As for me, I was a fan of hope and change four years ago,
now I'm just hoping for a change from this failed leadership.
Just for the record as an independent voter I know members of the church that
are both Republican and Democrat. Good people, active in the church and
carrying temple recommends. As Elder Faust has said when good people run
against each other then we win either way. Like it or not Obama is a good God
fearing family man as well as is Romney. From that perspective we wineither way. Many Democrats and Republicans do not agree with everything in
their party's platform but they are members of their respective party
because they agree with the general party philosophy. Let us please
put it to rest that one cannot be a Democrat and a Mormon. Enough already.
Mr. Howell says there are two good men running for President. I won't
argue that, although I would like to. The question then becomes which is the
better man? I am really interested in the comment that Democrat Mormons are
merely trying to be defiant. I think that could be partially true of the hard
line Democrats I know. One couple said they joined the Democrat party because
they wanted to change if from within, but I think they are more the type to just
try to be different.
JP71Ogden, UT@WonderLDS leaders have gone
out of their way to be neutral. There are no members of the 1st Presidency and
the 12 that are Democrats. Being an LDS Democrat is like watching a movie and
saying that it was a great movie except for the bad parts.I do not
believe any of us know which political party any of the 1st Presidency or the 12
are affiliated with and it is actually none of our business. We probably will
not know until after their deaths as was the case with President Faust when in
the talks given at his funeral that he belonged to the Democratic Party. It is
best to keep our religion and politics seperate and that is the reason the
Church stands on neutral ground.
Don't confuse your culture and your religion, they are two different
things. Your culture may be narrow and constricted but your religion is wide and
takes in many different kinds of people. Heavenly Father does not belong to any
political party, he does not need to be in any platform, he loves all his
children and wants you to do the same. One of the things I've noticed is
that people have selective eyesight when reading the Scriptures otherwise how
could they ignore Helaman 4:12 or Helaman 7:21 or 2Nephi 20:2? That's just
a sampling but many read the Book of Mormon without seeing and understanding the
words. Read his words and understand his desires and think about who you are
voting for and why.
AggieloveCache county, USAI truly believe Mormon dems,
choose that party, just to be defiant.Thats it, and that's all.As a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, having
been born in the church and a life long member of the Democratic Party I can
assure anyone I did not become a Democrat out of defiance but by choice. I know
many Mormon Democrat that are Democrats but not out of defiance, we all decided
for ourselves. Defiant of who or what?Regardless of what party I vote for
that does not change my standing in the church, I still hold a current Temple
Recommend.Free Agency allows me to make choices and to keep my religion
and politics seperate.
Well said, Dave D & LDS Liberal.President James E. Faust was
also a Democrat, and in fact was a campaign chairman for (Democratic) Senator
Frank Moss, and was also a Utah Democratic Party chairman prior to becoming a
General Authority.Elder Jensen stressed in the interview that it
would be very healthy for the Church if the common misconception that one cannot
be a good Mormon and a Democrat could be obliterated. Elder Jensen also said,
"There is a feeling that even nationally as a church, it's not in our
best interest to be known as a one-party church."President Faust
also emphasized this when he said, "It is in the interest of the Church to
have a two-party system . . . . Both locally and nationally, the interest of the
Church and its members are served when we have two good men or women running on
each ticket, and then no matter who is elected, we win."
From another DN headline today, referencing the DNC convention: "Democrats
Flummoxed over God, Jerusalem verbiage in party platform". This sounds
like a party thats just full of Mormon moments!
JP71Ogden, UTThere are no members of the 1st Presidency and
the 12 that are Democrats. 9:13 a.m. Sept. 6, 2012============
And HOW do you know that?I want to call your bluff.I think you are just making things up now.To start wioth, I
know of one member of the LDS 1st presidency who not only NOT a Republican [as you have assumed and imply], He's not even American, in
fact - he is a citizen of Germany [a Socialist nation] and is my favorite
of ALL the current General Authorities.And I've got more news
for you, One of them was President of the Utah Democratic Party, and yet
another was - gasp! - Canadian!In fact, currently there are dozens
of GAs and millions of other GOOD card-carrying Latter-Day Saints from
Socialist, Marxist and Communist countries, i.e. Japan, England, Australia,
France, Italy, Hong Kong, El Salvador, Russia, ect. to name just a few. I grow ever so tired of this false stereotype that All Mormons are from
Utah, American, and therfore must be Repubican!No wonder the Church
has had to spend $ Millions on those "I'm a Mormon" spots!
@JP71,I am simply quoting the actual stance of the Church on the matter.
When I see people like Elder Marlin K. Jensen, or Elder Larry Echo Hawk, I
wonder how anyone can doubt that there are indeed faithful Mormons with
politically liberal views. You can find all the reasons you would like to not
include Mormon democrats as "True" Mormons, but we are a global church,
and are collectively far more liberal than you might think. I hope that you can
be more inclusive of those who do not agree with you politically. After all, we
are all brothers and sisters.
The conservative or Republican "groupthink" which I have seen among
Mormons is not any worse than the liberal Democratic groupthink which I
encountered some years earlier among Unitarians.
A Mormon person can live the Church's teachings and be an independent or a
Republican, but cannot be a democrat and subscribe to the democrat party values.
Secularism, abortion, handouts for nothing, restrictions on freedom of
religion are just a few. We hold the constitution sacred - too many democrats
including Obama and Pelosi do not. Harry Reid leads the Democrat party in the
Senate and he stood on the Senate floor and called Mitt Romney a liar - hardly
within the values of our Church. The democrat party and Mormonism are
currently not compatible.
@OneAmerican,50%? HA! From the tax record Mitt released, we know
he paid 14% and some big corporations like GE paid nothing and some Oil
Industries we actually gave them tax dollars. Whereas working people pay a
higher percentage of taxes. Yeah, that's what King Benjamin wanted--LOL!
He served his people. Our government serves its people--or should--tax
subsidies to Big Oil don't serve me, but helping the least among us or
helping the hands that hang down is not a bad thing--even if it's done
through taxes to promote the General Welfare (preamble to the Constitution).Mark 12:41-44 Giving out of abundance is good, but those who give which
takes away from their necessities give more according to the Savior. Remember
the rich man who could not follow the Savior because he valued his wealth more
than following the Savior and helping his fellow man? That is where many people
are today.They are called entitlements because we pay into them
every paycheck: Social Security, Unemployment Insurance, Medicaid,
Medicare--absolutely right I am entitled to it. Don't let the GOP steal it
and give it to Wall Street.
A couple more points and my 4 comments are up – And just
recently and locally The LDS church has been soft on illegal immigration
and has publically endorsed gay rights in housing (which the GOP defiantly
shotdown).Who’s being extreme?Who’s rejecting the
Prophets and Apostles?Who’s following the brethren?Who's
more in harmony?Part of the great Pride cycle is not being able to
admit when you are wrong....
@Dave DIf you were looking for a club to join and one club said we
do these things but we also support abortion, we are pro-homosexuality, we
don’t support Israel, and we don’t want anything to do with God.
Then you went to another club and they said we do these things and we are
against abortion, we believe that a family with a father and mother is
important, we support Israel, and we believe that God is an important part of
what we do. As member of the LDS Church you would think this would be a no
brainer which club you would join. When talking about picking
through issue in a political party we are not talking about fiscal spending or
about the size of government. We are talking about issues that are at the very
core of LDS doctrine and that the LDS Church believes will bring down society.
See The Family: A Proclamation to the World.
Let's read the LDS policy and compare platforms;The Church
allows for possible exceptions for its MEMBERS when:- Pregnancy results
from rape or incest, or- A physician determines that the life or health of
the mother is in serious jeopardy, or- A physician determines that the
fetus has severe defects that will not allow the baby to survive.-
...should be considered only after consulting with local church leaders.-------- The Democratic platform states: "Abortion is an
intensely personal decision between a woman, her family, her doctor and her
clergy; there is no place for politicians or government to get in the
way."The Republican platform seeks passage of a constitutional
amendment that would extend legal rights to the unborn, essentially banning ALL
abortions with NO exceptions -- even in the cases of Rape, Incest, Life
and Health of the Woman, and viability of the fetus.[running diametrically
opposed to LDS policy]. Conclusion:The Democratic platform is
more in harmony with LDS policy than the extremist GOP platform.and
FYI - The LDS Church has not favored or opposed legislative proposals
...concerning abortion [i.e., is politically neutral].
@JWBWhat I find interesting is that Romney is running from his
parties platform claiming that its stance on abortion and other issues do not
reflect his own views. For some reason he did not have the leadership skills to
get his platform to reflect the views of their presidential candidate but when
their was a problem with the democratic platform Obama was able to step in and
get them to change it. Do we really want Romney in office trying to bring
parties together when he cannot even bring his own party together to support
@ Cats -- Because I've heard some Tea Party members say that they
don't believe in abortion for any reason, including rape or incest, I think
it's clear that no person can claim they are a Tea Party member unless they
agree with that opinion 100%. (Just like you think because I'm a Democrat
I have to agree with everything you've ever heard any Democrat say.)
Elder Marlin K. Jensen of the Seventy was sent by the Church to do an interview
with the Salt Lake Tribune in 1998 to dispel the myth that one cannot be a good
member of the Church and a democrat. Here is what a Church leader said:"We would probably hope that they wouldn't abandon a party
necessarily because it has a philosophy or two that may not square with
Mormonism. Because, as I say, [parties] in their philosophies ebb and flow,"
Jensen said."You know, the Republicans came very close last time
to bringing a pro-abortion plank into their platform. That was maybe the biggest
battle of their [1996 national] convention," he said. "Which shows that
if you're a pure ideologue, eventually you're going to have trouble in
either party.""Everyone who is a good Latter-day Saint is
going to have to pick and choose a little bit regardless of the party that
they're in and that may be required a lot more in the future than it has
been in the past. But I think there's room for that and the gospel leaves
us lots of latitude."
Dear One American: You are right. The Book of Mormons defines 50% taxation as
Dear Wildcat: Your statement is absurd. Tea Party members have no right to
cast a vote based on abortion? Where would you get something like that?
I'd also like to know where you got the information that most Tea Party
members agree with Akin. What study or poll are you quoting? I don't
think you have ANYTHING to base that on.The Tea Party, as an
organization (or organizations--there are many) is about fiscal and
constitutional issues. It is NOT about social issues. These groups DO NOT
address social issues in any form. The members of these groups have their own
personal views about a lot of social issues and will take these into account
when casting their own personal votes. However, The Tea Party, as an
organization, is solely about fiscal and constitutional issues.These
are just the facts and not based on ANY speculation whatsoever.
@Mojules -- It tells me that some Democrats wanted to take the language out of
the platform, but that it ended up going back in. That's all it tells me.
Are you trying to say that every single Republican in the entire country agrees
with every single principle of the gospel? Of course not. So don't expect
the same thing from the Democrats.
The difference between King Benjamin's type of charity and and democrat
"charity" is that King Benjamin said he had worked to support himself
rather than to tax people to support him (implying to do otherwise would be
inappropriate). He also did not advocate taking forcibly through taxation from
one group of people to care for other people. To justify democrat tax the rich
to reward those who refuse to work or cannot work by citing King Benjamin is to
take King Benjamin extremely out of context. Charity can only come voluntarily
from a giving heart, not through forced servitude implemented by the government.
Democrats want to tax the tar out of people to provide "entitlements"
which is a bad deal for both the "giver" and the receiver. Democrats
support (Obama's idea) of reducing or eliminating tax deductions for
charitable giving. The Book of Mormon talks of the "heavy burden" of a
50% "tax"; today, many Americans pay more than 50% of their income in
taxes. Forced charity is not charity, it is involuntary servitude. It only
serves to breed contempt in the hearts of the taxed and an entitlement attitude
in the recipient. (i.e. OWS)
It is the party's responsibility to attract voters; not vice versa.They work for me - not me for them.If there is a belief that one
cannot be a Democrat and a good Mormon at the same time; it is the Democratic
party's problem to fix it, not the LDS church's. If there are things
in the platform that drive Mormons into the arms of Republican; it is the
Democratic parties fault (and the Republicans to favor to embrace). Scott
Howell should be commended for taking on that challenge in his role as POLITICAL
FIGURE.After all; the exact reverses tended to be true prior to
world war two.
@CatsYeah, but most of the Tea Party members support Todd
Akin's comments. If the Tea Party is truly dedicated to only fiscal
issues, they should not cast a vote on any social issues like abortion.It's comments like Maskmarv that give me hope. It is alright to have
differences or disagreements politically, but to suggest either side can't
be a good LDS member because of their political affiliation is just plain wrong
and sickening.It seems that a good deal of the conservative posters
want everyone to think the same and do the same...I didn't choose that plan
before, which is why I am here right now, and I won't choose it now.LDS Democrats are here to stay and will only get stronger when such hate
and ignorance is spouted against them. To the other respectful GOP LDS, I hope
that both parties will work to make government work at both Federal and State
level. It will take both parties to do it. It is not a zero sum game like the
Tea Party makes it. We can all press on and go forward together--we have to.God bless us all!
They might have "Mormon" moments, but seems that they wanted to kick God
out of the party. What does that tell you?
@Maskmarv -- Exactly. The church has said that there are good points in both
political parties (and, I might add, bad points in both parties). I'd like
to know how any of you know what political party any General Authority belongs
to. Have they ever announced that information? I've never heard anything
about what party they belong to, other than Marlin K. Jensen, who specifically
said he was a Democrat a few years ago when a bunch of members were trying to do
what many of you are doing now -- saying the only party you could belong to as a
member of the church is the Republican Party. If you don't believe me,
google it and also take a look at the mormon.org question and answer page. I
imagine the Church will soon send out another, yes another, statement telling
its members the same thing, because the message just doesn't seem to get
As a moderate LDS republican there are things in the current Republican platform
I don't agree with, and I think are out of step with church doctrine. So
for all those saying you can't be democrat and a faithful member because of
their platform...might want to think before casting more stones. I don't
agree with Mr. Howell's politics and he doesn't have my vote; but I do
agree with his statement that we can have civil political conversations as
church members and we should leave those conversations outside of the walls of
our church buildings.I'm glad Mr. Howell is proudly proclaiming
Dear Wildcat: The position you state on abortion has NOTHING to do with the Tea
Party. The Tea Party is about fiscal responsibility and adherance to the
Constitutuion. The Tea Party has NOTHING to do with abortion policy or other
social policy. It's this kind of misinformation that leads to
all kinds of misunderstandings.
@WonderLDS leaders have gone out of their way to be neutral. There
are no members of the 1st Presidency and the 12 that are Democrats. Being an
LDS Democrat is like watching a movie and saying that it was a great movie
except for the bad parts.
Dear Wonder: The Church is BRILLIANT at PR and has an eye toward the survival
of the Church under any circumstances. The Church states there is truth to be
found in all political parties...That is true. However, the Church doesn't
say there is and EQUAL amount of truth to be found in all political parties.
Clearly some parties have very little "truth" and we've seen a lot
of evidence of that this week.I think Scott Howell is obviously a
good man and I'm glad he was able to represent the Church at the Dem
Convention. But, I still don't know what these LDS people are doing there.
I fear they have fallen among the Godless and don't seem to see it. The
platform fight over God and Jerusalem make that pretty clear.Dear
Aggielove: I think you make a good point about LDS Dems doing it out of
defiance. I have personally known those who do it for that reason.
I do not see how any faithful LDS person can support a GOP/Tea Party Budget that
asks those with abundance to give less and those working poor to pay more out of
their needs.See Mark 12:41-44See, it cuts both ways. I
appreciate the good conservative LDS trying to "steady the arc" because
the Lord's anointed (prophet and apostles) have failed in their
estimation.The First Presidency repeatedly says the Church is
neutral and that good can be found in both parties. They didn't go further
and say LDS Democrats are less or LDS Tea Party are less. If they needed to,
they would have said it.Harry Reid's abortion stance is exactly
in line with what Grammy3 said (exceptions in cases of rape, incest, and health
of the mother). The Tea Party actually went on to invent a forcible rape
definition and believes that the female body can't get pregnant under
forcible rape. Just because the extreme wing believes that, will I lump all LDS
GOP members in believing that? No!UtahBlueDevil is right...change
comes within the party. Moderates please take back your party from the Tea
"omni scent": Here's a quote from the Democratic Party's 2012
platform: "The President and the Democratic Party believe that women have a
right to control their reproductive choices...President Obama and Democrats will
continue to stand up to Republican efforts to defund Planned Parenthood health
centers...The Democratic Party strongly and unequivocally supports Roe v. Wade
and a woman’s right to make decisions regarding her pregnancy, including a
safe and legal abortion... We oppose any and all efforts to weaken or undermine
that right....there is no place for politicians or government to get in the way
[of abortions]." So no governmental controls at all on abortion (i.e., allow
abortions for any reason at any time). That means "on demand"
abortions.The Democratic platform has things that go against
teachings of the LDS Church - they support the ERA (look what church leaders
said about it in the 70s), same-sex marriage, and more.There is much
to laud about the Democrat platform but no restrictions on abortions? Same-sex
marriage? That does not match with LDS Church teachings about moral issues.
Missionaries with firm principles sent to toil amongst the heathen are to be
admired for their zeal and optimism.However, people who voluntarily
associate with those insisting on holding deplorable views should be judged by
the friends they keep.I see most Utah Democrats as falling in the
latter category, not the former. And, when some (like Jim Matheson) try to fool
the electorate by refusing to attend their party's convention so they
won't be seen with hard core liberals like Obama, Pelosi, Reid, and
Clinton, that confirms that they are slick politicians, not principled Utahns.
Some of the people who post at DN believe that you can't be a Democrat and
a Mormon. LDS church leaders do not share that view point and have gone out of
their way to tell their members that that is not the case. Apparently some
posters believe that they know more about how the Church should be run than
their leaders do.
Since this article is about the Church and the DNC with people such as Scott
Howell, who is running against Senator Hatch, it is interesting that their
party's Platform didn't include anything about God until the
Republicans and radio/TV talk hosts kept on hounding the DNC about that issue.
That is a basic document of their beliefs and future of our country. The
discourse on that is forgotten in this article. The Tea Party and their
religious right has had a similar approach with the Church of Jesus Christ of
Latter-day Saints but distinct differences. The loss in South Carolina for Mitt
Romney was a blast from the evangelicals against the Church. As the
name of the Church indicates that Christ and God are the leaders of the Church
through a Prophet, such as in the olden days. The right to life and other
issues are an integral part of the Church and it's members. You cannot
divorce those beliefs for a political gain. The DNC is a Hollywood
type of approach along with the community organizing movement to get to the
emotions of people. What the preacher of those speeches is doing is emotional.
I truly believe Mormon dems, choose that party, just to be defiant.Thats
it, and that's all.
Hooray for Scott Howell! As a life long conservative, this was amusing! My
impressions were: First, this guy has no idea how out of step he is with
Democratic values these days; Two, wow, he unashamedly is putting his religion
front and center; Third, he really might make a difference with that party;
Fourth, he suffers from delusion; Fifth, no matter who is leading this nation,
it still is going to come down to whether it is right to compel people to be
charitable and compassionate (Socialism will not work; Capitalism must have
within its adherents compassion and charity to make a better world). So, at
least Scott Howell is doing something that everyone should be doing, trying to
bring truth to the table! Way to go! As someone that usually only reserves
disdain and contempt for any political party that doesn't support the
constitution and our God-given rights, he offers a small reprive!
This is a nice sentiment but with the new Democratic platform that supports
abortion, homosexuality, no longer recognizes Jerusalem as the capital of
Israel, and has eliminated any mention of God from the platform statement I do
not see how any faithful LDS person can support the Democratic Party.
Grammy3: your opinion on abortion actually puts you more in line with the
democrat platform over the republican platform. I dln't know of anyone that
advocates "abortion on demand" as I've heard other posters on these
forums say, like it is something you get at a drive thru. However, it is these
cases like rape, incest, and life in danger that need it. Many on the republican
side say no exceptions. It gets tricky for things like rape: does it need
to be a forcible rape? Would you need a conviction for the rapist in order to
get the3 procedure? If so, we would need to speed up our courts (how long did it
take Brian David Mitchell to get convicted)How about we make the procedure
legal, but do what we can to provent it by promoting adoption, teaching
comprehensive sex education in schools, improving the situation for the poor so
they can afford to raise kids, not cutting sCHIP and otherhealth plans for kids
so that they can be healthy after birth, etc.Anyhow, let's stop using
this as a reason to attack the democrats.
I know this is going to get the standard set of comments that members who are
Democrats should be ex'ed and all.... and that is fine. The people of
make those comments see the world in a very narrow light.But how do
you change policy you don't like? If you agree with a particular platform
of a group you mostly agree with, you do it from within. The more people inside
the democratic party disagree with abortion, the more likely that platform will
be minimalized. I get some don't believe the PEW Research numbers about
Democrats who don't support abortion, to the numbers of LDS people
affiliated either liberal or moderate. But you don't have to look far
to see that over 40% of Utahns claim neither party, particularly because of this
all or nothing mentality the extremes on both sides of the political spectrum
have forced on their parties.We do need to take our country back.
But it is from the parties is who we need to take it back from. Enough
extremism on both sides. It is ok to have conservative democrats, and moderate
republicans, and Mormons who are both.
Scott Howell is a decent, good man, and there are a lot of decent, good Mormons
that belong to the Democratic Party. His problem however is that there just
aren't enough of them in Utah to get him elected. The Democrats don't
share the same values as the majority of Utahns.
scott,nice try. your democratic platform doesn't cut it with most
Utahns and certainly not with most mormons. until the dems change what they
espouse they will continue to be defeated in utah. And this comes from a person
raised as a dem. It is a much different party than it used to be.
I just have a really big problem with the Mormon Democrats because of the issue
on abortion. How can you stand being involved with those who want to kill
innocent babies is beyond me. I believe that abortion is o.k. when the
mother's health is at risk and the choice has to be for the mother over
saving the baby when other children need their mother. Rape also I feel is a
reason for abortion but other than that I can not understand how you can have
that as part of your platform. Abortion is murder no matter how far along the
pregnancy is. There are plenty of people out there who would love to adopt a
baby so to me it is just selfish on the part of the women who want this.