Former president implores voters to stick with Obama
re:CounterIntellIs it possible in your world for someone to recount a
negative experiences without playing the "victim" card? I don't
think people always share experiences to get sympathy, but to educate and
reveal/illustrate a different point of view/experience. How
many students attending colleges are fully informed as to what the insurance
plan does/does not cover when they enroll in school? In the dust-up to this
issue it came to light that many Catholic institutions were not even aware they
offered contraceptive coverage in their healthcare plans. As for Sandra
Fluke:Actually, Fluke was happy to entertain questions, including the one
you posed. Have you even read the statement she was going to present to
the Congressional panel? She did not talk about herself. What she wanted to
share with legislators, though was denied the opportunity, were stories of
friends and classmates who'd suffered because of Georgetown's
policies. No, the real issue is that a congressional committee held
a hearing on contraceptives and invited only males to speak on the issue and the
over-the-top disgusting attack on Fluke by Limbaugh.Women should
have a primary role in determining these policies.
@Truthseeker"It appears from the outside that
"victim-hood" is a key and highly sensitive issue for you."Well first of all; you are not my therapist. However I will tell you that I do
not have a problem with legitimate victims; I have a HUGE problem with
passive/aggression and feigned martyrdom manipulated for political purposes.
Example? Faux-choice activist Sandra Fluke going out of her way to attend a
Catholic University only to claim she is oppressed because a Catholic school is
actually Catholic: When she had thousands of other choices - but demands
everyone make hers. When Feminists celebrate, rather than condemn, that kind of
behavior; they paint themselves with a broad brush. But rather than take
responsibility; they claim to be a victim of my "everything looks like a
nail" mentality because I did the unspeakable thing and noticed the
hypocrisy. Why is it that activists who dish out hostile questions are so
faint-of-heart offended when someone dares to ask them?
To clarify, I am not referring to people like Chris Mathews or Al Sharpton. I
am not referring to Glenn Beck or Sean Hannity. I am referring to the
candidates and party leaders themselves. I am also referring to friends and
family members who send emails and make Facebook posts with the intention of
"stirring up contention". Their tone and demeanor can become very
hostile and angry with regard to disagreements in the political arena. Whatever
happened to disagreeing without being disagreeable? Clinton gave great examples
of respected Republican Senators (Bob Bennett for example) that got ran out of
town because they dared become a team player and work with people of different
opinions. It is admired to have these traits in family relationships, church
groups, work projects, etc. But like I said before, for whatever reason we
value being disrespectful jerks when in comes to politics. I am just saying I
get that mindset a lot more from the right. I get a much more civil and mature
tone from candidates, public office holders, and so forth from the left.
re:CounterIntellSenate Republicans NEVER brought a bill to the floor to be
voted on. Senate Democrats were negotiating on a bill (that was opposed by the
National Assoc. of Realtors and Home Builders) with Republicans but the measure
stalled in a committee when they couldn't come to an agreement. Around the
same time, the Republican House passed a bill which was opposed by Bush and some
Republican Senators. Democrats had a smaller majority in 2007 (than Republicans
had in 2005-2006) but they passed H.R. 1427, the GSE reform bill, by a vote of
49-15. The legislation had the support of the Bush Administration and was signed
into law.I would agree there are hostile, angry activist jerks on
both sides of the aisle. Yet, you seem to paint everybody with a broad brush
and accuse every "feminist" (or other activist) hostile to questioning.
Examples? It appears from the outside that "victim-hood" is
a key and highly sensitive issue for you. But I think you too easily accuse
people of playing victim, like TM58? Seriously? I suppose if all you have is a
hammer everything looks like a nail?
Counter Intel"Have you ever listened to Lawrence O'Donnell,
Chris Mathews, Rachael Maddow, Al Sharpton?"Yes I have, but no
more. And for that very reason. I agree with you, although while left leaning,
Mathews is not petty in my view. The others? Absolutely. But on
these boards, the pettiness is overwhelmingly on the right. Not exclusively,
but overwhelmingly. IE, Birth Cert and college transcripts and just today,
Obamas composite girlfriend?And the politicians on the right play to
that mentality far too often.And yes, Palin is an embarrassing joke.
Ask Steve Schmidt.
@Truthseeker"Why didn't Republicans, controlling all 3 branches,
bring a bill forward to address Fannie and Freddie?'They did in
2005: Democrats blocked it"Even your own accusations/harsh
judgements applied to feminists, gay activists etc. or anyone you don't
agree with reveals your own hostility. In your world if anyone notes negativity
or discomfort in situations suddenly they are claiming to be victims"It has been my experience that extremists of politically correct
movements are often worse than those they claim to despise, yet are generally
exempted from serious criticism by the media, making it worse (we all know
anyone questioning a feminist has declared war on women) So no: I don't
have much patience for those who flinch at being criticized when their own
behavior is worse; particularly when they complain "you are hostile" as
if they are not. Yes I am critical of people who passive/aggressively play
victim in order to rationalize being a perpetrator. Because in the end: They
are still perpetrators (who theoretically should know better and are therefore
worse than those they claim to oppose). Feminists and gay activists are NOT
above reproach any more than I.
We need Bill back in the White House!
e:CounterIntellUnderscoring TM58's comments about hostility
from the right are the many posts on these articles from
Republicans/conservatives such as those suggesting one can't be a good
Mormon and a Democrat. Even your own accusations/harsh judgements applied to
feminists, gay activists etc. or anyone you don't agree with reveals your
own hostility. In your world if anyone notes negativity or discomfort in
situations suddenly they are claiming to be victims. Except for 72
days, when Democrats had a filibuster-proof majority, Obama has not had a
Congress to work with. Senate Minority leader McConnell honestly and publically
stated the intent was to insure Obama's failure. Despite this, Republican
plans for healthcare were adopted, tax cuts included in the Stimulus, all the
Bush tax cuts were extended, welfare waiver requests by Republican governors
were granted etc. etc. Unfortunately, toward the end, Clinton's
compromises with Republicans went too far with respect to financial/Wall Street
regulation. Both parties contributed to the economic crisis. Why
didn't Republicans, controlling all 3 branches, bring a bill forward to
address Fannie and Freddie?
Both of Clinton's economic bubbles have now burst (the internet and
sub-prime real estate). I am tired of flashy boom bubble markets that crash. A
steady, principle based market is what I want.
Yes stick with Obama AND 9.2% unemployment next year (CBO projection) AND 16
trillion in deficits and climbing AND tax payer funded late term abortions AND
gay marriage AND small business killer tax hikes.....Yes sir, Billy
really set the place on fire. I suppose most of those cheering don't work
anyway - nor do they intend on working since Uncle Sam and his welfare program
provides their compensation. Romney said it best - the DNC is a celebration of
failure!! Oh and let's not forget about the party that boo's GOD!!
"Former president implores voters to stick with Obama" Thirty plus
years ago, when the country was in deep economic trouble, we had the former
worst president in US history, Jimmy Carter, thrown out of office by the
electorate, because he was completely inept and unqualified. Now we have nearly
the same situation again, and hopefully the electorate will be as smart as we
were in the early 80's, and throw the new worst president in US history -
BHO, out of office, so the country can move forward and begin to heal again.
Most of the country doesn't want to listen to a washed-up former president,
who is a pathological liar, and who can't get enough of listening to
himself talk, because his ego is astoundingly bigger the BHO's, tell us to
stay the course! I don't even believe Clinton, convicted, known liar,
really wants that!
"I get a lot of anger, hostility, and contention from the right that I do
not feel from the left."Then obviously you are not paying
attention. Listen to merely one statement by Debbie Wasserman-Schultz and think
tip-of-the-iceberg of hate. Or better yet: one minute of Sandra Fluke."The pettiness is so immature"Have you ever listened to
Lawrence O'Donnell, Chris Mathews, Rachael Maddow, Al Sharpton? They
personify petty. The media fawns over Michelle Obama's wardrobe and you
are all victim because someone mentions Michelle Bachman's bare arms?
They viciously pillar Palin and you are a victim because some come to here
defense?Comments like these are hard to take seriously
Bill Clinton could not save Al GoreBill Clinton could not save
Hillary(and both of those had more credibility than Obama)All Clinton did is:1) Remind voters that 90's economy was good
because Clinton did the exact opposite of what Obama did - move to the right and
co-opt the ideas of a Republican Congress (Obama has had a Democratic congress
3/4 of his term)2) Clinton left Bush with the seeds of a recession that
ended up being short because of economic expansion and the big recession never
hit until Democrats again took over Congress in 20063) The seeds of the
financial meltdown were set up in the 90's by DEMOCRAT Barney Frank's
(and his partner who worked for Fannie) treatment of Freddie mac and Fannie
Mae4) The war on women comes from massively hypocritical and hate based
feminists who tolerate harassment in the name of ideological purity and power
TM58,I share your sentiments.I believe in the fiscal
conservatism that the right talks about. I wish they were better at execution.
Or good at all.Sometimes I vote R and sometimes D.However, I find myself embarrassed to admit when I do vote R. The pettiness
is so immature.They talk birther. They talk about Michelle Obamas
wardrobe with bare arms. They talk about pelosis plane and Obamas vacations.
They fawn over Palin.Yes, I still vote R sometime, but I sure dont
want anyone to know.
Bill Clinton may not be on this year's ticket but his wife, if she really
wanted to be President, would have to have Obama win this time as eight years
with the potential of Romney would put her out of reach, if not touch of the
Presidency. Bill Clinton's speech last night was his last hoorah for
helping Hilliary get to what she wanted when he ran for President in 1992. She
has put up with alot due to her husband. There has not been very much affection
between the current President and Former President. President Obama may have
appointed Hilliary as the Secretary of State but that was to have some control
over what she did in the past 4 years as she is still a threat, to both
Presidents. Bill Clinton doesn't do anything without a reason.
He can sell you the car you already own and you will buy it. That is what he
is good at doing. He was on a roll last night in his role as paid speaker.
President Obama was there to protect his interests with a closeness at hand, if
the former President got out of hand. Power rules.
Bill Clinton is an amazing speaker. One of the most gifted politicians of our
time. No one delivered a message like that last week in Tampa. Not even close.
If it were not for term limits, the man may still be President.On
another note, the message of cooperation, civility, and compromise comes
through a lot louder and clearer from the Democrats as opposed to the
Republicans. I get a lot of anger, hostility, and contention from the right
that I do not feel from the left. I get the message from many of my friends to
the right that it is good to be a peacemaker and a good civil and decent person
with regards to family, work, community, faith, etc. However, in the realm of
politics it is alright to stew up contention and be a real jerk. For me, it is
a big turn off . I lean left for this reason more than any other.
It's too bad that Clinton isn't on the ticket. Guaranteed win with
him. Even so, his speech may be enough to put Obama over the top. The Democrats
should hide Obama/Biden and let Clinton be the front man for the campaign.
Former President is not the man of highest moral character, similar to those in
Hollywood the current President courts for publicity as a community type
organizer would. He loves the role he took last night and has
learned with the millions of dollars he has made on the speaking circuit how to
control people and their thoughts while speaking. He was successful in doing
that, once again last night. He didn't act that way when he
was denying he had an affair with one of the White House employees, while acting
as President. In movies, actors portray someone that they aren't but some
may end up taking that role in life. We go to a movie and the same person is
portraying someone completely different in that movie. We have learned to
accept people in their roles, whether make believe or real. However, if those people are trying to gain our confidence on moral and just
issues but are in sheep's clothing trying to gain our trust to then tear
our morals down, is wrong. The world is learning to make good things look bad
and bad things look good to mislead our next generation.Be cautious.
Bill Clinton at his apex. Agree or disagree with his politics, the man can
inspire and explain. I haven't seen a political speech like this for a long
time and it will do a world of good for President Obama. And, to all
you people who can't figure out the value of diplomacy and see it as
weakness or apology, it's the only answer left for America at this juncture
-- we can NOT afford another war and we can not, literally, afford to be
isolated as a nation, and diplomacy is the answer. THAT is a fact that is not
disputable. America Forward!
@pragmatistferlife"First, Clintons speech will make Republicans
rue the day they said Obama should run on his record. "Doubtful.
No matter what spin Clinton puts on it, Obama's record on the economy is
First, Clintons speech will make Republicans rue the day they said Obama should
run on his record. Clinton publicly said stated the facts they way many of us
have been doing on threads like this for months..and his speech empowers others
to openly speak the truths,Secondly, I dobut there will much of a
poll bump, simply because of the small number of undecideds (I may be wrong
though because ADP just announced that they think jobs increased last month by
201,000, and jobless claims went down by 12,000). The value of the speech will
be to rev up the base to get out the vote. The numbers as they now are in the
swing states are clear..if democrats have a good to great turnout Romney has no
chance at all.
"It takes some brass to attack a guy for doing what you did."Key line in the speech. Apply that toRyan complaining about the
$716 Billion from Medicare when he uses the same figure.Romney attacking
the insurance Mandate when he did it in MassThe GOP attacking the ins.
mandate when they first proposed it.Attacking Cap and Trade when the GOP
proposed it first.Attacking the Auto Bailout when Bush signed the first
oneTARP first signed by Bush.CFL light bulbs and low flow toilets
signed by the BushesNo Child left behind - GOP program.Medicare Part
D drug plan - Largest entitlement expansion in decades.Looks to me
like the easiest way to get the GOP to oppose their own plans is to adopt them.
How does the Associated press author of this article know that Obama got a
"bounce" since the article was filed less than 30 mins. after the speech
ended?Or is this more media who have decided to support Mr. Obama
wholeheartedly?The BIGGEST obstacle voters have to overcome this
election is finding somewhere they can get FACTS, to make their decisions
without having having to read the mainstream medias' wholehearted
endorsement of all things Obama.
I think the 700 billion from medicare was an attack on one group of the middle
class, to appease another. Just like his lack of immigration control is an
attack on the middle class to appease business and increase party votes in the
future. He is out to change this country from the one our forefathers built. And thank you President Clinton for the sub prime loans.
"The dude that apologize for America who thinks America is bad for the
world, who also wants America to follow the world... Truth be told, BO appear
cool on the outside but empty in the inside - that's the truth!"No, it's not remotely the truth. Your believing it doesn't
make it true. Facts matter more than your opinions.There
is zero credible evidence to support the belief that Obama has ever said that
America as a nation is bad for the world.Cite the statements you
believe show that Mr. Obama has ever said that our nation is "bad for the
world" and show us the full sentences and relevant paragraphs you think
contain them - not just some heavily edited out-of-context Carl Rove attack ad
you heard while watching FOX.
Listening to Bill makes me (almost) like politics again.Dang, the guy is a
Clinton gets it. We need to get all parties to work together. That is what is
missing now. There are good ideas that can be brought to the table by both
parties. I'm so sick and tired of people thinking one side has all the
answers. Too many people drink the koolaide that's freely offered from the
right and left. Obama's America 2016 is the right wing answer to Michael
Moore. What really frighten's me is that nothing will ever get done in
Washington. Newsflash people, Obama isn't the boogyman and Bill can still
That was the best convention speech to date. Sometimes I miss Bill.
Yes. Yes. Prosperity is just around the corner. What a joke. The only question
is what do the Obama people have on Clinton to make him do this? We all know
the Clinton's do not like Obama.
How are things getting better when our national debt has surpassed 16 trillion
dollars, Obama took over 700 billion dollars from Medicare to finance his
ridiculous healthcare bill, and so many millions are still unemployed? Bad
memory Obama has, plus another broken promise that if our economy hadn't
improved by the end of his first term he would be a one term president. I have
a hard time swallowing Clinton's remarks that Obama loves America when he
bows to leaders of countries that are our enemies, he apologizes for things he
feels our country is guilty of, he doesn't place his hand on his heart
during the pledge of allegiance, or when he doles out our tax money to other
countries for oil exploration instead of helping with our own job situation,
etc., etc., etc. I strongly suggest people see the documentary "2016:
Obama's America", then see if you still think he is so wonderful.
I've always liked Clinton. But he's not running for office, Obama is.
Don't Stop Thinking About Tomorrow was a good catch phrase.
Will tomorrow be the same as yesterday and the day before?Obama lost
400,000 jobs since January 2009. He has given 1 million green cards each year,
around 2.5 million work visas all at a time of 8-10% unemployment. When they
talk about putting people to work, they are not talking about American citizens.
Bill's still got it.
"To the cheers of thousands of Democrats packed into their convention hall,
Pres Clinton said of Obama, I want to nominate a man who is cool on the outside
but who burns for America on the inside."...burns for America...
what the ..? The dude that apologize for America who thinks America is bad for
the world, who also wants America to follow the world... Truth be told, BO
appear cool on the outside but empty in the inside - that's the truth!
Republicans are in trouble former President Clinton was amazing and his message
will resonate with the independents. Republicans can't run away from the
obstructionism of the last two years. It will all be over tomorrow. President
Obama will come out of tomorrow night with a big bump.
One thing Clinton did to help balance the budget, without a single Republican
vote, was the Budget Reconciliation Act of 1993 which:Created
a 36 percent and 39.6 income tax rates for individuals in the top 1.2% of the
wage earners.A 35 percent income tax rate for corporations.The
cap on Medicare taxes was repealed.Transportation fuels taxes were
raised by 4.3 cents per gallon.The taxable portion of Social
Security benefits was raised.The phase-out of the personal exemption
and limit on itemized deductions were permanently extended.Expansion
of the Earned Income Tax Credit and added inflation adjustments.Republicans are responsible for the obstructionism in our govt. They will
justify the obstructionism yet cannot answer the question, how does our country
move forward without 2 parties willing to compromise?
Common sense and clear facts spoken to the people by the best economic job
creating President before Obama.