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Bill Clinton says GOP wants 'winner-take-all society'

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  • Social Mod Fiscal Con West Jordan, UT
    Sept. 10, 2012 9:08 a.m.

    @Blue
    Your first comment is true, but only if you have a left-leaning world-view.

    Some thoughts on your second comment:

    Osama Bin Laden is dead (accomplished by the Marines using intel gathered under Bush)

    Ended the War in Iraq (over before Obama took office, all that was left was some political cleanup)

    drawdown from Afghanistan (on the original Bush time-line)

    Consumer Financial Protection Board (not so sure this was a good thing)

    Boosted automobile fuel efficiency standards (just the obvious next step in an ongoing process)

    Kicked banks out of Federal Student Loan Program and expanded Pell Grants (definitely not a good thing)

    Signed the Credit Card Accountability, Responsibility, and Disclosure Act (more regulation on businesses)

    Expanded VA services for veterans (very good thing)

    GM is now a thriving auto company. (used tax money to accomplish this. Would have been better to let free market do the work)

    Signed the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act (bad)

    Affordable Care Act (very bad)

    Expanded wilderness and watershed protection through the Omnibus Public Lands Management Act (great for Eastern States, bad for Western States)

    the other items I simply don't have an opinion on.

  • SS MiddleofNowhere, Utah
    Sept. 6, 2012 9:27 p.m.

    @ Truthseeker
    I hope you realized when you quoted the preamble that it starts with "we the people" not "we the government." It should be left up to the people to decide how we take care of the list of things that should be the responsibility of the PEOPLE. Everything that has been said at the DNC is how the Democratic party is going to force "shared" responsibility and "shared" prosperity. That translates to "some people will work hard and others will reap the benefits." There is another term for that, its called Socialism!

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 6, 2012 8:06 p.m.

    Counter Intelligence,

    Stephanie Cutter who said "“Ann Romney is an impressive person and did a good job of giving a lens into her husband. She has a strong marriage and family and that is to be admired.” I can certainly see the hate in that statement.

    Sandra Fluke -who Rush Limbaugh called a slut and personally trashed her for about 15 minutes which of course is ok because he is a republican spokesman.

    Contrived war on women- I will agree that the republicans have contrived a war on women by the democrats. This is laughable to even imply.

    Abortion position, I don't like their position on abortion, but it complies with current US law so I am not sure how that classifies as hate.

    Class warfare a figment of republicans imagination because they decided you can't talk about rich people and their money and taxes

    Race warfare-Really? Do you read or listen to any of things said about the current president?

    Hears certain words and determines that people are racists? Did you mean like when republicans heard the words "put you in chains"

    I see lots of hate coming from the republicans

  • Grundle West Jordan, UT
    Sept. 6, 2012 3:00 p.m.

    Re:Blue

    Bin Laden
    - Yea!

    Ended the War in Iraq
    - As scheduled.

    Begun the draw down of forces from Afghanistan
    - Yea!

    Consumer Financial Protection Board
    - More Government oversight

    Boosted automobile fuel efficiency standards
    - More Government mandates (At least not unfunded! - Ha!)

    Banks out of Student Loans and expanded Pell Grants
    - More Entitlements and government oversight

    Repealed “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”
    - Yea! A Clinton policy.

    Signed the Credit Card Accountability, Responsibility, and Disclosure Act
    - More Government oversight

    Expanded VA services for veterans
    - More entitlements (deserved!)

    Tightened sanction on Iran
    - Yea! (a UN action)

    GM is now a thriving auto company. Since bottoming out in 2009...
    - loss of 25 billion taxpayer dollars after sale of GM and Ally Financial(GMAC) stock.

    Signed the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act
    - More Government oversight

    Signed FDA Food Safety Modernization Act
    - More Government oversight

    Affordable Care Act
    - More Government oversight and taxes (thank you Roberts!)

    Expanded wilderness and watershed protection through the Omnibus Public Lands Management Act
    - More Government oversight

    FDA authority to regulate tobacco...
    - More Government oversight

    Well...You have listed some very good reasons to vote Romney!

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 6, 2012 12:30 p.m.

    "Could you enlighten me with what about the Democratic campaign is "hate based""

    Sure:

    Stephanie Cutter's repeated lies (about lying), felons, "don't know nothin' bout cancer dyin women"
    Sandra Fluke - passive/aggression gone nuclear
    Contrived war on women (with harasser Clinton as the spokesmodel and eugenicist Planned Parenthood as cheerleader)
    Extremist unrestricted/unquestioned abortion platform (partial birth, gender selective, all OK)
    Class warfare
    Race warfare
    Cries of racism every time anyone looks cross-eyed at Obama (or merely saying words like "welfare, food stamp, Chicago"; oblivious to the hypocrisy that it is racist to assume that those words inherently mean anything racial)

    et. al.

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 6, 2012 10:23 a.m.

    Counter Intelligence,

    Could you enlighten me with what about the Democratic campaign is "hate based"?

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 6, 2012 10:22 a.m.

    @Happy Valley Heretic

    Not confused: Just don't see the successes listed by Blue as actually being a success (i.e. I don't want the government in charge of my health care, GM is only surviving because of its overseas operations).

    It called a difference of opinion
    You might understand that if you were not doing the exact same thing that you condemn in others

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 6, 2012 10:14 a.m.

    @Truthseeker

    "Somehow, for Republicans, this translates into; "winner take all.""

    Nice how you distort what Republicans believe, then condemn them for your distortion:

    Well if turn about is fair ply: Democrats obviously want "loser take all"

    Personally: I will go with the non-Democratic alternative - it is less hate based.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Sept. 6, 2012 8:02 a.m.

    Blue: Don't confuse the above posters (who didn't listen to the speech anyway and) are the same who follow Mitt's plan

    “We’re not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact-checkers.”

    "Never let the facts get in the way of a good story"

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 6, 2012 1:29 a.m.

    Bifftacular: "please enumerate in as much detail as much as you can what you think Obama has done well. "

    OK, here's a partial list:

    Osama Bin Laden is dead, along with many other Al-Qaeda leaders

    Ended the War in Iraq

    Begun the drawdown of forces from Afghanistan

    Consumer Financial Protection Board

    Boosted automobile fuel efficiency standards

    Kicked banks out of Federal Student Loan Program and expanded Pell Grants

    Repealed “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”

    Signed the Credit Card Accountability, Responsibility, and Disclosure Act

    Expanded VA services for veterans

    Tightened sanction on Iran

    GM is now a thriving auto company. Since bottoming out in 2009, the auto industry has added more than 100,000 jobs. In 2011, the Big Three automakers all gained market share for the first time in two decades.

    Signed the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act

    Signed FDA Food Safety Modernization Act

    Affordable Care Act

    Expanded wilderness and watershed protection through the Omnibus Public Lands Management Act

    Gave the FDA authority to regulate tobacco through the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act

    I'm out of words, but the list is much longer.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Sept. 5, 2012 10:24 p.m.

    "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

    Somehow, for Republicans, this translates into; "winner take all." And, we are well on our way to that society where corporate conglomerates can write legislation, spend unlimited amounts in campaigns, control the media, nearly tank the economy and receive bailouts with American citizens footing the bill.

    By far, the best place to watch the convention coverage is PBS, no hyperbolic yammering personalities.

  • 1aggie SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Sept. 5, 2012 9:47 p.m.

    re:Deepinthought

    The ACA/Obamacare does not require small employers to provide health insurance to employees. The Employer Responsibility section of the ACA applies to businesses with more than 50 employees.

    Actually, the Deseret News had an article in June 2012:
    "Utah Small Business Owners Support High Court Health Care Ruling" (which upheld Obamacare).

    "The decision allows businesses — those with no more than 25 employees — to provide workers health insurance coverage and receive federal tax credits."

    The majority of small business owners who have done their homework to understand ACA/Obamacare support it.

  • Bifftacular Spanish Fork, Ut
    Sept. 5, 2012 9:46 p.m.

    Looks who's back with his same tired response of any criticism of Obama as "right wing propaganda" and "brainwashed". You really need something new One Old Man - your comments are getting old and lame. Rather than name calling, why don't you tell us all the great things Obama has done or plans to do? No, really... please enumerate in as much detail as much as you can what you think Obama has done well. Please be specific. Rather than name call which is what liberals do best, extol all the virtues of "your guy" and convince us of why we should re-elect Obama. We're all ears...

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 5, 2012 9:38 p.m.

    Clinton is the best ever at talking to people and common sense. Did Ex-President Bush have this type of speech last week? Everyone should listen to the entire speech prior to voting.

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 5, 2012 9:34 p.m.

    The first ten or so critical comments here only confirm the disconnect that exists between today's conservative attitudes and reality.

    Bill Clinton absolutely destroyed, topic by topic, Romney's dystopian vision for America and the GOP's retrograde platform. He devastated the Republican's bumper sticker talking points and the alternative universe they occupy.

  • 1aggie SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Sept. 5, 2012 9:33 p.m.

    Wow.... what an amazing speech Clinton just gave. It's just not fair... the Dems have Clinton, the Repubs have Clint. The Dems have Fleetwood Mac... the Repubs have... uh... uh... Clint.

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    Sept. 5, 2012 9:09 p.m.

    Is this the same Bill Clinton who used the word "sterling" when referring to Romney's business record? He knows most Americans want a 'winner-take-all' society. That's what we've always been. It has worked fantastically well for over 200 years! Of course he knows that. Bill Clinton has a much interest in seeing Barack Obama re-elected as the GOP does. This is the same Bill Clinton who said of Obama that he is an "amateur" and "just a few years ago this guy would have been bringing us our bags." Bill Clinton said that.

    What is pathetic with the Democratic party (today anyway) is that while the nation is crushed under high unemployment, they are splitting hairs and wringing hands about whether the capital of Israel is Jerusalem or not and whether to acknowledge God or not. Fiction is dead. You can't make this stuff up.

  • SS MiddleofNowhere, Utah
    Sept. 5, 2012 8:10 p.m.

    "If you want a country of shared prosperity and shared responsibility — a we're-all-in-this-together society — you should vote for Barack Obama and Joe Biden."

    Basically what Bill is saying here is that if you want to have a socialist society, vote for Obama and Biden.

    I can't believe that Obama sunk as low as to ask Clinton to cover for him after he threw him and his administration under the bus just 4 short years ago when he was trying to win the democratic ticket over Hilary Clinton. If you simply view video of debates from 4 years ago and the different tune that Obama is singing this year it makes him look like nothing more than a joke.

  • liberate Sandy, UT
    Sept. 5, 2012 6:49 p.m.

    Best president we've had a in a long time (I'm talking about Bill). Too bad Obama doesn't match up in any way shape or form.

  • 1conservative WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Sept. 5, 2012 6:47 p.m.

    Actually, Bill Clinton seems to be referring to the Demo. party.

    Weren't they the ones who gave our tax money to GM and told the existing bondholders tough luck? Winners: big labor unions
    losers: the rest of us

    Wasn't he the one who gave 500m of our tax dollars to Solyndra?
    winners: campaign contributors
    losers: the rest of us

    Wasn't he the one who subsidized my neighbors new car (cash for clunkers)with tax dollars?
    again a winner: UAW (big labor)
    losers: the rest of us who were forced to subsidize our neighbors new car

    I could go on and on and on........

    "Winner take all" I guess refers to Obama's attitude regarding "winning" his first and ONLY term in office!

  • Black Shirts South Jordan, UT
    Sept. 5, 2012 6:42 p.m.

    I'm not Rep or Dem. I vote for the best candidate for the country. The last four years have been pathetic. Obama hasn't accomplished one thing he said he would. So now we are suppose to think he can get things done now. No way, Obama is embarrassment and anyone who votes for him hasn’t noticed how bad Obama has been. The worst President I’ve been alive for. I’m 49!

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Sept. 5, 2012 6:33 p.m.

    Four comments so far. Four brainwashed posters. Four Americans who have not made much effort to learn the truth. Four Americans who have swallowed a dose of dangerous propaganda.

    That's frightening. As frightening as a Romney presidency.

  • rvalens2 Burley, ID
    Sept. 5, 2012 6:26 p.m.

    "If you want a you're-on-your-own ... society, you should support the Republican ticket," Bill Clinton

    I'm fine with that, I wouldn't want it any other way.

    I don't expect the government to feed, clothe or provide health care for me or my family. All I ask is for them to get out of my way so I can do it for myself.

    It's called responsibility.

  • deep in thought Salt Lake, UT
    Sept. 5, 2012 6:15 p.m.

    Oh please. Democrats want anyone who wins anything to turn it right over to the government so those who are unwilling to even try can sit home on their cans feel like winners.

    Did it ever dawn on Democrats that when you take the thrill out of winning that people stop playing?

    My husband and I are small business owners with two employees. If we had to pay for health insurance for our employees and our taxes were very much higher we'd just shut down shop and look for government jobs. Nobody knows the stress and insane hours put into small businesses until you have been there. Giving away more of my pie doesn't motivate me to work harder just so someone who doesn't want to work can gobble it up.

    I have empathy for the poor, but I feel like the government is like the Firefighters charity. 90% goes to overhead and waste and 10% reaches those who actually need it. If government was a lean mean machine I'd feel a lot less stress about tax increases. But Obama has spent like money is going out of style. No thanks.

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    Sept. 5, 2012 5:40 p.m.

    "shared prosperity and shared responsibility — a we're-all-in-this-together society"

    That does not describe Obama. He is a celebrity President that has never managed a business or government body. He has never balaced the budget, because the Democrats have not had a budget in four years. (responsibility-Democratic senate/President.

    As far as job creation, CNN's fact checker show us losing 400,000 jobs since January 2009. (including government jobs)

    I wonder what Clinton told him in private about his tearing down the Clinton welfare reform.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Sept. 5, 2012 5:31 p.m.

    No Bill - we just want some jobs. 4 years is a long long wait.

  • ute alumni Tengoku, UT
    Sept. 5, 2012 5:23 p.m.

    good try bill. is that the best you and the rest of the libs can do? what a line up. demo bench is really deep, bil.....