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Published: Wednesday, Sept. 5 2012 12:00 a.m. MDT

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Esquire
Springville, UT

A rational voice. I've seen the results of mining in West Virginia and Pennsylvania, and the destruction of the landscape from oil shale exploration. Utah does not want to go down that road. Utah should want to be known for its natural beauty, not for its scarred vistas.

Corn Dog
New York, NY

Letter writer - "The residents of Bismark, N.D., do not have the Wasatch Mountains an easy 30 minute drive from their home; Utahns on the Wasatch Front do. Canyonlands, Arches, Zion, Bryce and Capitol Reef national parks are all located in Utah. Desolation Canyon was created by Utah's Green River, not North Dakota's Red River. The San Rafael Swell sits in the center of Utah, not North Dakota."

So Utah's land is somehow better than North Dakota's and deserving of protection while North Dakota's is not? A textbook example of geographicism that reeks of snobbery. Next thing these people will tell us is that gaia din't put an odor in their excrement, either.

Letterwriter
Bountiful, Utah

1. SUWA's recent advertisements relating their concern for the Utah taxpayer if Utah gains control of its current Federal lands fools no one. We know that SUWA doesn't care a lick about Utah taxpayers.

2. Where did you grow up, David Garbett? My bet is you didn't grow up in Utah. I strongly suspect that SUWA is composed of a bunch of Easterners.

3. How about a Constitutional amendment that declares that the percentage of Federally-owned land for every state has to be the same. So, for example, the Federal government could own 70% of New York. Great idea, don't you think? Or, the Federal government could own 0.8% of Utah land. Fair is fair, isn't it.

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

Corn Dog
New York, NY
So Utah's land is somehow better than North Dakota's and deserving of protection while North Dakota's is not?

Apparently N Dakota doesn't care as much as Utah about selling out state treasures, for temporarily filling state treasuries and politicians pockets.

"A textbook example of geographicism that reeks of snobbery." says a guy from New York with no skin in the game but cheap fuel in return for Beauty lost forever travel down to Penn or Virginia as esquire suggested.

Letterwriter said: "How about a Constitutional amendment that declares that the percentage of Federally-owned land for every state has to be the same."

Conservatives always ready to change the constitution to fit your agenda.
Maybe we could use the "way back machine," and change a lot of things, my guess would be with perfect hindsight Manhattan wouldn't be traded for trinkets and booze. Silly idea, and greedy thinking isn't what made this country great.

Letterwriter
Bountiful, Utah

Corn dog--The fact that you're from New York is exactly my point. A bunch of butinskis from the East.

Kalindra
Salt Lake City, Utah

@ Corn Dog: Have you ever seen the Wasatch Mountains or any of the other natural wonders mentioned in the article?

There is a reason to save them. And North Dakota is a fine state - but the land there is flat and so is affected differently by drilling than a mountain region would be.

It is not snobbery - it is an acknowledgement of a fact.

Is a movie theater in New Jersey the same as a New York Broadway theater. No. And that is not snobbery - it is a mere fact.

Same thing here.

@ Letterwriter: So in your opinion the only people that can appreciate beauty are the people who were born in the state where it resides?

Utah's number one industry is tourism. If those who come here to spend their money want us to protect the land so they can continue to come here to spend their money, why is that a bad thing?

Concerned in Bountiful
Bountiful, UT

We are currently practically giving away our children's inheritances by charging the lowest severance taxes for our oil and gas resources of any state around us. We give away our coal and other valuable minerals and get nothing back for those natural resources. We give the out of state energy companies the biggest tax breaks of all, while we fail to invest in our children's education. Our governor's second largest donor is an out of state energy company. Why is okay to destroy the beautiful vistas of our beautiful state with all the ugliness of energy companies' sites, sounds, and smells? I admit it, I am a snob for Utah. I've been through North Dakota a few times, and have not found anything there that compares to our stunning vistas.

one old man
Ogden, UT

Letter writer -- you'd be very surprised to learn how many SUWA members live right here in Utah.

The drilling in Dakota is on private land. If our loonislature has its way, all land in Utah will be private and off-limits to the general public.

Be careful, people of Utah, what you wish for.

Winglish
Lehi, UT

I have lived in areas of the country where the land is almost all privately owned. There is literally no place out-of-doors other than state parks that people can go to recreate without paying fees. We are so blessed to have our myriad of mountains, canyons, and other outdoor places to visit. I simply cannot fathom why anyone would want to privatize the land. It makes no sense to strip Utahns of that which most of us hold dear to our hearts.

the truth
Holladay, UT

@one old man

NO said the lands would become private,

it would just be state owned and controlled (still same as public)

And we do know better about our lands.

Demo Dave
Holladay, UT

@the truth: Whether land is leased by an energy company or bought outright, it will be off limits to you and me, at least for the duration of production, which could be decades. Even if it it wasn't closed, do you want to hunt, fish, hike and camp next to an oil derrick? And when they're through taking waht they want, they'll leave us with a veritable wasteland of trash, sludge pits, old hardware, drilling holes and a virtually decimated landcape. Is that what you want? Think about it.

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