Romneys message was ,, Just elect us,, and then we will show you our plan. Trust
us. Like you trusted Bush for 8 years??? I dont think so. OBAMA 2012.Romney
doesnt talk about afganistan, or other issues, because he has No idea what to do
about them. Our commander in chief, Knows what to do, and he has done it.
Killing Bin Ladin,, ending the Iraq war.
He did not address anything. He should debate Clinton and Obama should debate
I am at a loss how the Pubs can get into such a lather over the $716 billion
from Medicare. Both Obamacare and the Ryan plan spend that same money...money
going daily from the government to insurance companies for Medicare Advantage. I
have Medicare Advantage and I pay ZERO for it. Someone is kidding someone here.
I would submit that there really is an overpayment so NEITHER PARTY IS GUTTING
MEDICARE. The are taking money from insurers pockets and making all medicare
recipients pay approximately the same for coverage as all other retirees do in
"you are flat out wrong and every fact check site confirms it."And we all know how unbiased and accurate the fact checkers areROFL
He cannot say anything in fear of upsetting the rabid right wingers.
Gee Lew, you're a wonderful citizen. I wonder if the soldiers from both
North and South were scared at the Battle of Antietam or Gettysburg? What about
the American soldiers on the shores of Normandy? Battle of Hue? In the deserts
of Iraq? I guarantee the last thing on their mind was Mitt Romney and their
Medicare. But you are scared of Mitt Romney. I don't know what this Country
is coming to....
@wrz "...he hails from socialist Kenya...."You have no
evidence for this, except for the literary biography Barack Obama wrote for his
own book covers. Do you consider him a trustworthy source?
Medicare unchanged for anyone over 55...Aren't the republicans
against class warfare?
Let me see if I have this straight. I'm a gonna get a voucher to buy
corporate insurance which will come nowhere near the price of a premium for a
retiree with preexisting conditions if I can be insured at all, and I will
likely have high co-pays and deductibles and a lifetime cap? In other words, I
will be transferring all of my fixed income retirement money and savings to the
1%? Sounds like a republican plan to me.
"Before demanding that Romney give details about how he will deal with
Medicare, wouldn't it be more important that the Democrats FIRST submit a
budget of any kind?"No, because Congress is completely
dysfunctional and worthless, so it comes as no surprise that either a
presidential budget proposal or the Simpson Bowles recommendations (thanks in
part to Paul Ryan!) couldn't make it through. Romney doesn't have to
get 2/3 or 1/2 of anyone to vote & pass his proposals. He's a
candidate. All he has to do is tell them to us. I'm surprised the
difference eludes you.
"You mean, bring something to the debate such as... 'Romney caused the
cancer death of a woman who once worked for a Bain-financed
company?'"No, he probably meant something like: "What
door? I'm not from Kenya or Indonesia. And I'm not Muslim." or
"'socialism, socialism, yes we can.'" Oh, wait. I'm
sorry, were you arguing that your rhetoric is as bad as Obama's campaign
add, or something else? Because it sure sounds like the former.
And on top of it all . . . . . Mitt used a . . . . . . (Gasp!!!). . . .
TELEPROMPTER!After all the GOP uproar over teleprompter use,
doesn't this completely eliminate Mitt as a candidate for them?
Have the Democrats forgotten that they have not passed a budget since Obama took
office? Have they forgotten that every budget Obama has submitted has been
rejected by the Senate?Before demanding that Romney give details
about how he will deal with Medicare, wouldn't it be more important that
the Democrats FIRST submit a budget of any kind?
@Republicantthinkstraigh:"Don't let the facts hit you in
the butt on the way out the door."What door? I'm not from
Kenya or Indonesia. And I'm not Muslim."Next time bring
something substantial to the debate. Not rhetoric and hate."You
mean, bring something to the debate such as... 'Romney caused the cancer
death of a woman who once worked for a Bain-financed company?'
Mountainman and wrz,It doesn't matter how many times you spout
Republican lies, it does not make them true. Nobody has taken any money out of
Medicare. The money you seem so upset about is future projected savings. Romney and Ryan are providing little specifics about anything and are
relying on voters being uninformed or gullible. We'll see how that works
out for them.Finally, I must say I was very surprised when Romney
choose a running mate with zero foreign policy experience. You may not like
Dick Cheney or Joe Biden, but at least they brought some experience to the
table. This Republican ticket is extraordinarily deficient in this area (unless
you count hiding earnings from the IRS abroad as foreign experience.
I forgot, fact checkers have a liberal bias. Beware. voting for
So the people that don't believe in socialism now want to save it's
prized medicare. The government should be a privatly held corporation contrary
to the exhaulted founding fathers. The 760 billion Obama saves is different than
the same 760 billion Ryan's budget saves and the free market fairy is on
the way to deposit checks in social security stock accounts. Bomb bomb bomb
Iran.. Got it, will be voting for Obama.
@wrz:"He also likes undocumented immigration and amnesty for
illegals regardless of what the law is."Don't knock
immigration, illegal or otherwise. Those immigrants, willing to take less pay,
will bring our American average wages down to where we can compete with foreign
manufacturing. Result: Manufacturing, as well as the services* sector, will
begin to return to America. Voila!*Services? Yes, services.
We've lost much of the services sector of our economy to foreigners. for
example, call your phone company for tech help with your cell phone, etc., what
do you get? The Philippines, Indonesia, etc. Call your local newspaper for
delivery assistance and who do you get? You got it. The Philippines,
Ultra Bob. "The Conversion of our Government to a Privately owned
Corporation....."? Good grief Ultra Bob are you serious? That is the
classic definition of Fascism on steroids.
WRZ... (Sigh) Wow. This is what is wrong with the country right here.
Don't let the facts hit you in the butt on the way out the door. Next time
bring something substantial to the debate. Not rhetoric and hate.
"Romney didn't address Medicare in acceptance speech"OK
then. Go ahead and vote for the guy who took $716 billion out of Medicare to
fund his Obamacare.@Emajor:"He blows a nice cloud of
feel-good can-do self-congratulatory rhetorical smoke..."Perhaps
he's just following the Obama 2008 nondescript 'hope and change'
campaign."Perfect for a convention of self adulation and
juvenile 'USA USA' chants."Expect Obama campaign chant
to be something like 'socialism, socialism, yes we can.' "Denial of coverage for preexisting conditions..."Can you
try to imagine how long an insurance company will stay in business with the
preexisting conditions policy? That's like buying life insurance the day
after you die.@Mountanman:"The President has no
constitutional authority to alter Medicare!"That doesn't
bother him. Remember, he hails from socialist Kenya, Africa. He also likes
undocumented immigration and amnesty for illegals regardless of what the law
is.@Ultra Bob:Social Security, Medicare, public
education, are not necessary to a business organization."Social
Security and Medicare are both unconstitutional. Public education is a state
Stand down Mountanman, you are flat out wrong and every fact check site confirms
Mountainman..the error of those who say money is being taken out of medicare is
they act as though actual money(dollar bills) is changing hands. It's not
the case it's all accounting. All that has happened is the President is
saying medicare cost increases will be slowed down over the next 10 years 716
billion dollars..therefor, because we aren't going to have to accumulate or
spend that money there, we'll just spend it here..all future monies.
Monies coming into the treasury through taxes or borrowing that won't go
into the medicare trust fund but instead will be accounted for against HCA.I too believe we can't continue to have current deficit levels
without consequences..but if you look at future Obama projections the spending
curve turns down dramaticly..and I also believe the spending of the past three
years is the result of unforseen and unavoidable circumstances, not Obama policy
convictions. Gotta go play golf..have a nice day.
Social Security, Medicare, public education, are not necessary to a business
organization. The conversion of our government to a privately owned
corporation will eliminate those unnecessary expenses.
@ Pragmatisferlife. Reasonable people can disagree but I submit that
transferring $716 billion out of the Medicare trust fund is altering the program
dramatically and Obama has no authority to do so. The Ryan-Wyden plan is just
that, a bi-partisan plan from congressmen to alter the program and would
necessarily have to be approved by both houses of congress and will be DOA in
the democratically controlled Senate. In fact, Harry Reid will not even bring it
up for a vote so really unless the Senate changes hands, Medicare is doomed.
Like most government run programs, Obamacare will be rife with fraud, massive
cost overruns and abuses. Almost no one believes our government can continue to
run up the national debt without serious economic consequences and if Obama is
re-elected, we will suffer for generations. I suggest you go see 2016 with an
open mind and form your opinions upon what is presented there!
Mountainman, I do disagree. First of all if the President has no authority to
alter medicare how does Romney? Secondly he isn't altering medicare all he
is doing is telling the providers that we won't continue to increase your
costs at the rate we are now. Next, Ryans plan does not allow those under 55 to
participate as is. What it allows is the same benefits but the government will
still only pay the equivilant of the second cheapest private plan. All other
costs are the persons responsibility. Lastly, what you call honest estimates of
the HCA are only coming from opponents. The CBO still prices it with cost
savings over time, so no I don't think it will collapse under it's own
weight over time. Even if the truth is some where in between it's vialble.
Borrowed money doesn't automaticly spell disaster. Every major business
in the world functions with borrowed money, as do most households. It's
your general fiscal health that is critical to viability, and the HCA,
doesn't negatively alter that fiscal health.
really Lew?Where was that "fear" when BO promised to gut
more than half a trillions dollars to pay for Obamacare?
@ Pragmatistferlife. First I misstated and used the figure of $716 trillion and
meant billion. There are things you stated that I have problems accepting and I
offer these points for your thought:#1: The President has no
constitutional authority to alter Medicare! Congress established the Medicare
program and congress, not the President, has the authority to alter it.
Wouldn’t you agree that President Obama is way out of bounds on his abuse
of his power on this? I submit this is a very dangerous precedent. #2:
Medicare will be saved most effectively by doing with it just as Paul Ryan has
proposed: allowing anyone who has invested in it (55 years old or older) to
participate as is but those younger Americans who have not yet invested in it be
allowed to opt out, if they so choose and many will exercise their personal
freedoms to choose their own futures.#3: Obamacare will collapse under its
own weight as it is taxpayer funded (money we don’t have) and will take
Medicare down with it! Honest estimates on Obamacare’s costs to taxpayers
continue to escalate and that is indisputable!
Mountainman..he plans on saving it..how? That's the question. So medicare
needs saving. Costs are too high and growing. The President proposes a plan to
slow the growth of medicare costs over the next ten years by 716 billion dollars
with effeciencies directed at medicare providers. The plan has the approval of
AARP, the AMA, and the hospital association. They say we can do this and not
effect the benefits of current medicare paticipants. He takes those savings and
increases the benefits for all Americans including medicare participants with
preventive care, and he helps provide medical coverage for 30 million americans
who now don't have coverage..again a positive step to reduce future
medicare costs.....and that's first of all wrong and secondly gutting
He also didn't say anything about our military in Afghanistan and the war
Could there be any person in America who does not know already that Romney
intends to save Medicare? The Democrats are the ones who are destroying it. As a
prime example, I give you Obama’s $716 trillion gutting of Medicare to
fund his government takeover of everyone’s health care and put himself in
charge of you!
For a man with sterling business credentials that the conservatives seem to be
fawning all over, Romney sure is short on technical details. He blows a nice
cloud of feel-good can-do self-congratulatory rhetorical smoke, however. Perfect
for a convention of self adulation and juvenile "USA USA" chants. And he also wants to repeal the Affordable Care Act with no plan to
replace it. Denial of coverage for preexisting conditions & lifetime benefit
limits will come roaring back. Talk about death panels. That's a callous
and disconnected act from a man who could afford to pay for any medical
treatment out of pocket without insurance.
Really, Lew? It was an acceptance speech.He's already said
before, that he supports the Ryan-Wyden plan...which leaves Medicare unchanged
for anyone over age 55. So what did you need to hear on Thursday?