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Published: Monday, Sept. 3 2012 12:00 a.m. MDT

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Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Here's the student loan situation before the government started making them: Banks issued the loans. They were guaranteed by the government. In other words, the banks had zero money at risk. Therefore the interest rate on student loans should have been the same as the interest rate on T-bills. It wasn't, it was much higher. In other word, the old student loan system was a huge gift of taxpayer dollars to the banks.

I'm Okay with the change.

Baron Scarpia
Logan, UT

Quick history lesson: The GI Bill gave loans and low cost educations to our military veterans, which in turn beginning in the 1950s created the largest, most productive middle class economy on earth. The investment in Americans' education was THE driving force behind America's economic might, creating opportunities for average Americans to live at the highest standard of living ever. It created an educated people to allow entrepreneurs to create new businesses, that in turn, created even more jobs and wealth.

To attack a key mechanism of America's economic prosperty -- loans to support our children's economic opportunities to compete again rising Chinese and Indian workforces in the 21st centure -- simply spells disaster for America's future.

What's the fastest way to increase unemployment and welfare roles? Gut access to education.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

Who had access to the G.I. Bill's education provisions? Yes, that's right, G.I.s who served their country during a time of war; G.I.s who survived a World War; G.I.s who had sacrificed for their Country. The G.I. Bill was a MINOR form of repayment from a grateful nation to help them because they had helped us. It blessed the lives of soldiers who had blessed our nation.

Some are complaining that banks charge interest on loans. Do those complainers get paid for whatever it is that they do? Why shouldn't banks be paid interest on loans? Is it the banks' fault that government decided to guarantee risky loans? That seems to be a problem with the government, not a problem with banks.

Get the government out of college loans. If kids want a G.I. bill type education, let them EARN it by serving just like their parents and grandparents did.

Matheson is not helping students. He's hurting them by training them to look to Washington for their needs. A Statesman would teach our kids to be self-reliant, something that Democrats abhor.

Esquire
Springville, UT

Love loved government benefits when she needed them.

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: "What's the fastest way to increase unemployment and welfare roles [sic]? Gut access to education."

You mean, of course, what liberals have done over the past 40 years.

They've created an "education" industry composed of an overpaid, underworked cadre of "educators," ensconced in posh, elite physical surroundings, completely insulated from any requirement of actual labor or results, and completely disconnected from the reality they are purportedly preparing students to confront.

Liberals, particularly liberal "educators" and their gritty, greedy trade union, have done more to deny real people access to education than any politician ever could.

Mike in Cedar City
Cedar City, Utah

This strident and polarizing Libertarian philosophy that government should do nothing to level the playing field must be ended before we have a country where only the well connected and wealthy can obtain an advanced education. Such policies set in stone a two class society of haves and have nots.

Reagan was patently wrong when he suggested that Government is "the problem". And so is Mr. Haycock. The issue isn't "big" versus "small" government Mr. Haycock. The issue is effective government. Consider the "economic distortion" when only few citizens can find the means to pay for advanced training and education. And, Mr Haycock, do not private loans also "distort" the economics of higher education? Money is Money, regardless of whence it comes.

And, I don't want anyone to represent me, at any level, who doesn't believe that government can and should do good things to help the common people.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

Thank you Mike in Cedar City, excellent comment.

I'd also like to add, subsidized student loans and pell grants are hardly expenses to our country. In fact, they shouldn't be looked at as expenses at all, but investments.

Large expenses come from tax breaks for the rich (who haven't stimulated the economy as was sold to us 10 years ago), unfunded wars, Medicare Part D, and lack of wall street regulation. Cut the wars, tax cuts, and Medicare Part D, and regulate wall street, and we're doing fine financially.

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

Roland,
the author did not ask if we were OK with the change, just where the govt had the authority.

Baron,
you are correct. There is one question posed by the author you neglected - what type of lender lends money so a student can get a degree with little to no market value? How can someone with a masters in pop culture ever repay the $200,000 in student loans with such a non-marketable degree? The Chinese and Indians are not wasting time and resources on that kind of "education"

HVH,
when you say "large expenses come from tax breaks" it shows the erroneous premise on which you operate. For tax breaks to be expenses, the money being taxed would have to be the government's in the first place. That is incorrect.

As for lack of wall street regulations, the regulations were in place, the Federal Reserve did not enforce them. The lack of enforcement was egregious during the clinton administration, when the justice department allowed Travelers Insurance and Citybank to merge, contrary to still-in-place Glass-Staegle.

and while regulations are necessary, like a bridle for a horse, the dem reaction has been blinders and fetters

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

It never ceases to amaze me how repubs get all riled up over a few pennies towards education yet ignore the comparatively hundreds of dollars we waste away in foreign aid, defense spending, and nation building.

How many TRILLIONS have been wasted in Iraq/Afghanistan, foreign aid, and bloated defense spending, while how many millions are being used to help Americans obtain an education?

Unbelievable.

Henderson
Orem, UT

Funny, Mia Love was all for "big government" when she used it.

Now that she has reached the "top" of her "hill" she now wants to cut the very services that she took advantage of.

I dunno what some folks like lost, Mikey Richard, etc call those people, but where I come from they're called hypocrites.

Mia Love was fine using the government when she wanted it. Now that she doesn't need it, she's ready and eager to cut government for others.

No thanks. Matheson will win by a landslide. All polling right now clearly shows that Matheson is in the lead. Come November, Utahns will dump Love's views where they truly belong, in the garbage.

Wonder
Provo, UT

@procuradorfiscal -- You don't know too many teachers, do you? Posh, elite surroundings? Uh, ok. Whatever you say. They might also be surprised to hear that they don't work and are overpaid. And I include university professors in that, several of whom I know and none of whom are paid a huge amount (a lot less than I make as a lawyer) or work in posh workplaces. Do you even know what you're talking about or are you just repeating something that everyone you know just "knows"? (e.g. Obama is a Muslim, was born in Kenya, is a Communist, etc. -- the typical things anti-education folks "know" are correct)

MatthewBehun
PROVO, UT

I'm a student who supports Mia. Here's why: I have a neighbor that used an unexpected Pell grant he received his last semester in college to pay for a three-week graduation vacation to Europe. Matheson is fooling himself if he thinks there isn't room for reforming wasteful Pell grants and privatizing government loans. If he was really concerned about the future, he'd propose his own ideas to cut our crushing debt, not attack others for theirs.

mark
Salt Lake City, UT

"@procuradorfiscal -- You don't know too many teachers, do you? Posh, elite surroundings? Uh, ok. Whatever you say."

Haha. Yeah, Wonder, that's exactly what I was thinking. "an overpaid, underworked cadre of 'educators,' " Haha, yeah, this guy has no grasp of reality. And he has the nerve to say this about educators: completely disconnected from the reality they are purportedly preparing students to confront.

Too funny. Actually very sad.

Matthew, how much do you really know about your neighbor's finances? And how do you know it? I would imagine if your neighbor did use the grant money for a vacation that s/he is breaking the law.

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

A segment of the American population has always been opposed to educating the general population. The reason is obvious.

Educated people makes more competition for the rich and powerful and the want-to-be rich and powerful in the success of life.

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Having reached King-of-the-mountain status, the winners must fight the attempts by the losers to dislodge them.

America made promises to people that the winners don’t want to be held to. Therefore the winners hate and want to destroy the American government.

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

The purpose of government is to do whatever the people want it to do. Equal opportunity is contrary to the winners concept of the American dream.

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Winners measure success in terms of Dollars and for them the financial competition takes precedence over all other considerations. Morality, religion, humanity, and many other humane goals are casualties in their quest.

Maxter
Lehi, UT

So whenever we talk about the government helping out, we should be asking a few fundamental questions:

1 - Is it the proper role of government? (Is it better handled by the free market system?)
2 - What government tier should this be handled by? (Fed, State, Local)
3 - Can we afford it? (Is there a sustainable, equitable, correlated funding mechanism?)

In the case of student loans, I think it is reasonable that government may help in this area, but it simply should NOT be done at the federal level. The constitution is quite clear about states having the proper right to oversee education.

States should be the ones to provide grants and loans, if they choose, and to the level that the state chooses. And no matter how great a program it might be, if we can't pay for it, we shouldn't have it!

If a student loan program is so great at improving the future lives of the students, then they should eventually pay for it. It should be a self funding program. Student need more skin in the game, and it should be harder for them to walk away from their obligations.

patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

Democrats are not forward looking or thinking - they simply say what ever will get them elected for the here and now and that is why we continue at break neck speed toward the edge of the Grand Canyon ... with Engineer Obama running the train with no brakes.

On the other hand
Spanish Fork, UT

@patriot, speaking of people who "simply say whatever will get them elected for the here and now," how 'bout that Mitt Romney?

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