sportsfanforlife,For one, it was Bradley who had the ball in the
Utah game, not DiLuigi. I just watched the play again, and he did not lose
possession of the ball until well after his knee was planted firmly on the
ground. No way to argue that. You just can't. The Ute player clearly
ripped the ball out of Bradley's hands after he was down in desperation,
hoping the refs wouldn't catch it.As for Nelson's throw,
both have made good points. I wouldn't call it a perfectly thrown ball,
but it's true that he threw it because no defenders were near enough to
intercept it. He could improve his throws, though.
@sportsfanforlife "hahahahaha in what world was that a "perfectly thrown
ball"?"How about in a world where it's thrown so that
the DB can't get to it, it lands right where our TE could catch it and he
goes for a TD?I'd say that's a perfectly thrown ball. Go Cougars!
@truecoug1"Lol, really? What "others"? The pass to Friel
was perfect, he threw it to him BECAUSE the defender was so far off. Look at the
replay, the defender didn't jump by the ball, he just couldn't reach
it. Why? Because it was thrown perfectly, over the defender and to the outside
shoulder of Friel where only he could get it."hahaha do you
delusional y fans really believe what you still say? a "perfectly thrown
ball"? hahahahaha in what world was that a "perfectly thrown ball"?
even the espn analysts said that pass was horrible and luckily not picked off.
hahahahaahaha you're really delusional aren't you? just admit it.
@riverton cougarmy apologies on blaming the byu alum then. but as far as
that fumble against utah, either you have never played the game, reffed the
game, or had anything to do with the game. when you dont have CLEAR possession
of the ball its a fumble. when the ball was sitting on diLuigi's shoulder
pads thats not having possession of the ball and is why it was ruled a fumble.
just like in the byu game IT WENT TO REPLAY. they made the correct call.
@PapaSmurfUTE " By the way, all those throws that you mentioned, yes, they
were all wounded ducks, along with many others."Lol, really?
What "others"? The pass to Friel was perfect, he threw it to him
BECAUSE the defender was so far off. Look at the replay, the defender
didn't jump by the ball, he just couldn't reach it. Why? Because it
was thrown perfectly, over the defender and to the outside shoulder of Friel
where only he could get it.The pass to Apo also wasn't a
wounded duck. Was it a perfect spiral? No...but guess what, I saw Matt Barkley
throw some wobblers against Hawai'i last Saturday. Yet somehow, he's
still a good passer and Nelson's not.You point out to me
specific plays in which Nelson threw "wounded ducks", I'll point
out plays from Matt Barkley where he did the same thing, and then I'll
point out plays where Nelson fired it in to his receiver.Go ahead
and list some actual evidence other than your opinion and I'll refute it.
It'll be fun.Point is, every QB makes some bad throws in a
@PapaSmurfUTE "Nelson was 15th in pass efficiency last year due to playing
the worst teams in all of college football."Wrong-O! Nelson
played half of the Utah St game (finished 7-6), a PAC 12 team (OSU), TCU
(finished the season ranked in the top 20), Tulsa (finished the season #35 in
Sagarin rankings), Hawai'i (MWC school, finished 1 game shy of going to a
bowl game), Idaho St and San Jose St.Jake Heaps came in and played
Idaho and New Mexico St. His numbers for both of those games combined? 423 yds
6 TD's, 2 INT. I wouldn't call that 'destroying' those
teams. Heck, against Hawai'i, Nelson had 363 yds and 3 TD's.So were they the best teams in college football? No, but they certainly
weren't the worst, and Heaps struggled against two of the worst teams on
the schedule.Go Cougars!
@PapaSmurfUTE "Since Dick Harmon is a beacon of truth, and not partial to
the Y at all, right?"Of course he's partial to the Y. Does
that make anything in his article about the BYU alum less valid? The MWC (and
other conferences) aren't allowed to release the names of replay officials.
They're supposed to be behind the scenes. However, they leaked it, it
came out that one of the guys in the booth was a BYU alum (though not the head
replay official...in fact, the BYU alum told the head replay official that there
was another angle of the play he should look at, but the Head Replay Official
overruled him and let the play stand). The BYU alum lost his job because of
it.So I don't see how Dick Harmon being a BYU homer invalidates
anything he reported.Go Cougars!
Truecoug,Nelson was 15th in pass efficiency last year due to playing
the worst teams in all of college football. He played 1 good team all year as a
starter, and that was TCU. Even when Hypes came in and played for a dinged up
Nelson, he beat the living daylights out of that team. Not once did
I say that Wynn was better than Nelson, and the Wynn didn't have an
interception. Wynn's INT was a poorly underthrown ball, that got caught up
in the wind as well. It was an awful throw. By the way, all those throws that
you mentioned, yes, they were all wounded ducks, along with many others. That TD
to Friel, against a team with a decent defense would have been picked off. That
defender was so far away from Friel, and once he got to the ball, he jumped
right by it. With the speed the Ute DB's have, Georgia Tech DB's, and
Notre Dame DB's, they all would have at the very least knocked that wounded
duck out of the air. Utah St has the best QB in the whole state. Wynn &
Nelson are just average.
Truecoug,Since Dick Harmon is a beacon of truth, and not partial to
the Y at all, right? Nothing Harmon writes can be taken seriously when it comes
to yBu. He is the biggest homer out there.
@PapaSmurfUTEBy the way, U DO realize that the people who say Nelson
supposedly COULD have had an INT against WSU seem to ignore the fact that Jordan
Wynn actually DID have an INT against a defense that was a LOT worse than WSU.
Nelson's QB rating was also higher against a PAC 12 team that took the Utes
to OT last year than Wynn's was against one of the worst teams in the
FCS.Like I said before, I will be surprised if the Utes can manage
more than 3 offensive TD's against USU.Go Cougars!
@PapaSmurfUTE "Nelson is an average QB, with a noodle for an arm."And yet that 'average QB' finished last season 15th in the
nation in passing efficiency.I think it's interesting all the
talk about Nelson's 'weak arm' and how he's a horrible QB.
It seems to be a trend, or that people stereotype Nelson in that way. The only
people that I've heard say Nelson would've been picked off 3 times
against a better defense because he threw the ball up for grabs is from comments
on the D News.My question to U (and to those people) is...which
plays are you referencing?The pass to Friel in the second quarter
for the TD was a great throw...Nelson put it only where Friel could get it. The
pass to Apo when he was double-teamed in the end zone (3rd or 4th quarter) came
when a WSU defender jumped offside and Nelson thought he had a free play (of
course, no call from the officials). The one throw he shouldn't have made
was after the Jordan Johnson INT to Holt in the end zone.So which
plays are you referring to?
I'd like to see an article in a few weeks titled "What we really
learned from Week 1 of college football’. It will be a very short
article. We learned nothing. None of these games were against opponents worth
using as a gauge for a team.
Great article Mike. Well, not really. The Y is not better than anyone thought.
This is exactly what Y fans thought they would be. The Utes didn't show a
thing on offense, or defense really. The Y offense & defense both went for
broke on almost every play against Wazzu, & you could see that in their
play, & emotion. The Y had to win that game. Had they lost that game, it
would have been the start to a terrible season. Bronco always goes for broke in
those 1st games of the year. That is why they are 7-1 I believe in season
openers. Then from there on out he is 9-14, and he has only won game 3 of the
season once back in 08. The Utes played very conservatively on both sides of the
ball. Truecoug,Nelson is an average QB, with a noodle
for an arm. Like the Espn, local papers, & talking radio heads, against a
real defense, Nelson would have had probably 3 interceptions. Wynn is not that
great, & neither is Nelson. Wynn has a weak arm, but Nelson throws the worst
wounded ducks I have ever seen from a starting senior D1 quaterback.
As for what I learned this week, USU's better than what I thought,
BYU's as good as I thought, and Utah's about as average as I
thought.Everyone likes to talk about Utah's defense holding UNC
scoreless. Last year, an FCS team (Sacramento St.) held UNC scoreless and to a
total of 72 yards (!) of offense. There were also 5 FCS teams that scored more
points on UNC than the 34 offensive points the Utes were able to put up against
them.Jordan Wynn is an average QB. His arm looks about the same as
last year. The INT he threw was a horribly thrown ball. The Utah O-Line also
has some question marks. The Ute offense was ranked 107th last year, and I
didn't see anything to suggest that would improve markedly this year.Utah's defensive line is fantastic! Verdict is still out on
LB's and secondary.All in all, not too impressed by the Utes in
the opener. I think USU will give them all they can handle this week, if not
beat the Utes. I will be surprised if the Ute offense scores more than 21
@StgToSLC Always stirring the pot, eh? Just look up Dick
Harmon's article on the BYU alum in the booth and the blown call. The MWC
was way out of line and the whole story got blown way out of proportion. Like
RivertonCoug said, the BYU alum wasn't the head replay official who made
the call. It was a horrible call, but it wasn't because of the
BYU alum who subsequently lost his job after that because the MWC revealed the
names of the people in the replay booth (against the rules).Just
like Brandon Bradley's 'fumble' was also a horrible call.
C'est la vie.Go Cougars!
I hate to say it, StGtoSLC, but you are mistaken concerning the BYU alum. As I
said, it was determined by everyone (except you and some BYU haters) that he was
not to blame for the ones in the replay booth. He did what he could, he was not
the one to decide if the ruling on the field stands or is overturned. He was
not involved in the decision at all. So, your whole point about there being a
BYU alum involved is irrelevant. Had the BYU alum been a SDSU alum, the result
would have been the same.Besides, isn't it against policy to
reveal the names of any of the officials in a game?
Riverton, I wasn't saying any one side has been the beneficiary of bad
calls more than another. However, the official that, as you say, missed the
facemask call was not an SDSU alum. The replay official cannot make a facemask
call. What he can and is responsible for doing, however, is using the available
resources to uphold or overturn a reviewable call made on the field. The fact
that the REVIEWABLE play was clearly blown BY a BYU alum does not make the
program look good, whether intentional or not. The Utah-BYU game did not have
Utah alums as replay officials, so that comparison is apples to oranges, my
friend.Moreover, the comment by CordonBleu about officiating
"cheating" keeping the Pac-12 behind the SEC is false as well. The SEC
officials have always protected their "good ole' boy" teams, the
2009 Arkansas at Florida game particularly coming to mind.
StGtoSLC and sportsman101,You make it sound as if the BYU alum was
responsible for the "questionable" call. It has been determined that he
WAS NOT RESPONSIBLE for it going in BYU's favor. Besides, was the facemask
that wasn't called in BYU's favor? Had the facemask been called, even
the correct fumble call would have been overruled and BYU would have gained
penalty yards. If anything, the final result worked in SDSU's favor, not
having that facemask called. Besides, being in the 3rd quarter, it's not
safe to say that that caused BYU to win; BYU outplayed them and could have won
just as easily.Besides, just as obvious as DiLuigi's fumble was
the fact that BYU did NOT FUMBLE the ball in the game against Utah. Watch ANY
youtube video of it, there is NO WAY you can honestly say it was a fumble. That
rule had far higher impact in the game, since BYU was already ahead by 6 points
at the time. It's safe to say that BYU would have won if that was called
its absolutely hilarious reading byu fans comments on any article. you think
your program is a "national brand"? seriously? hahahahaha what a
joke.and you delusional fans are complaining about officiating? ok let me get
this right... last year utah-byu game (in provo) cheap shots byu uale werent
called AT ALL, but the game against usu (in provo) the usu safety gets EJECTED
after a freakin shoulder to shoulder hit? are you really complaing about
officiating. 2010 a BYU ALUM is in the rplay booth, makes an obvious
controversial callt that goes byu's way and they win the game. you're
really complaining about officiating? haha get real byu fans you all sound so
delusional its not even funny.
Captain, I'm talking about having BYU alumni in the replay booth for a BYU
game that involved a crucial "questionable" call going in BYU's
favor.Now regarding Thursday's game. I'll admit some of
the calls against BYU were questionable, but they were calls that were
established early and consistently. That's an adjustment the players and
coaching staff needed to make, but didn't, so it just ends up being more
convenient for fans and players to complain about it.
StGtoSLC: If your insinuating that BYU had anything to do the the officiating in
2010 that is laughable.
I'd think after 2010, BYU fans would be the last ones to complain about
"terrible, if not outright dishonest" officiating.
The PAC 12 has always had some of the worst officials in college football - one
of things that will always keep the PAC 12 behind the SEC, Big 12, and Big Ten.
Nobody likes a cheater.
I am not sure about Sorenson's conclusion. Typically, you do not know how
good, or bad, a team is until around week 4. I am not sure we learned
anything about Utah in week 1. It was pretty much a scrimmage. This week should
show us exactly where Utah and USU are to start the season. USU and BYU,
likewise, did not face much of a test in their opening gameBYU versus
Utah will clear up where each team is as well.No need to jump to any
conclusions based on the weak matchups in week 1.
@PavalovaThe pac 12 actually has a rule that its officials must
officiate all of its games, home or away. To be honest with you I'm not
sure why other conferences go along with it, especially considering the
reputation the pac 12 officals have for, shall we say, questionable calls that
almost always favor pac 12 teams.But even with the terrible, if not
outright dishonest, pac 12 officiating the better team still usually wins, just
like we say last Friday in Provo.
The thing is that Andersen expects USU to play to win each game. It
doesn't matter if it is OU, Auburn or the UTes. The team is catching that
vision. While the Utes have the edge, Friday's game will be close and
dramatic. The odds makers have Utah by 7. These are not the Aggies of the
I have an honest question: Why is it that when BYU plays a home game, the
visiting conference officials always officiate the game in Provo. Everytime a
PAC10/12 team has come here, their officials make the trip. Is that due to a
conference mandate with the Pac12 or the visiting conference? Just wondering why
an 3rd pty crew could not do the games.
Byusu,The pac12 requires PAC12 officials in almost all games I
believe. How do we insist that?We are the conference of champions
and money buys whatever we want. Don't like it? Fine, teams are dying to
play us and you can schedule more WAC teams.
Could someone please tell me what officials are used when a team plays someone
from a different conference. I always thought the away teams conference
officials were used. Thanks
I don't know if I were a Ute fan I'd be very nervous, only 414 yards
against the worst team in the Big Sky? BYU didn't show everything either
and they had more against one of your pac 12 schools. Now granted the Pac12 is
one of the weaker BCS conferences from top to bottom but it's way better
then the Big Sky. I'll Be nervous about the Cougars if they have the same
performance against Weber. The Utes with ur supposed best in the state back
can't run all over a team like that? You shouldn't have to show
anything to run all over a team like that. But you are right 1 game doesn't
make a season the Utes I predict will be good because of that defense, but your
offense will cost you games again enough not to be in any Rose bowl!Personally I think all 3 teams will have good years though, and I do think
Utah could go to the Holiday bowl or another good bowl, just don't think a
big bowl this year.
I agree with those that discount the results of only one game. I remember all
the comments coming after BYU's first game of 2009. The BYU group was
pumped up while the UTE group commented that Oklahoma must not be that good. By
the end of the season Oklahoma was 8-5.
@Uteology - those were fantastic receptions, to be sure, but they call holding
for a reason. Maybe without the holding, the quarterback gets sacked or throws a
very different pass. A football ref once told me that some holding occurs on
most plays. They only call the ones that affect the play.
I think it's funny that it was commented on how the score could have been
30-20 if it wasn't for a couple questionable calls against WSU. If I recall
correctly, the first TD they took away came on a drive that featured back to
back to back personal fouls against BYU … all of them extremely
questionable … and they still got a field goal. So couldn't the
argument also be that it could have easily been 30-3? BYU will be
swimming against the PAC-12 officiating tide when they play Utah. And the tide
is already large enough.
I have to say that it is so much more enjoyable to read the comments section of
both the Des News and the Trib, with both papers demanding comments not be so
demeaning. It proves that the fans of the Utes and the Cougars (and Aggies) can
be loyal to their schools and talk a little trash, and it doesn't have to
be nasty, demeaning, or personal. It may not change the way some of you still
feel about the other school, but it is so much more mature and respectful, and
thus enjoyable to me, at least. It is so easy to hide behind an email, and thus
so easy to be rude, crude, and disgusting. So congrats to all who have seen the
light and have found a way to disagree without lobbing personal attacks against
those who disagree with them, or happen to prefer a different school. In
reality, all three schools are good schools, for different reasons. It has
never made any sense to me that people become to hateful towards fans who happen
to be cheering for a different school. That being said, "GO COUGARS"!!!
My sad realization from the WSU/BYU game: Future BYU/Utah games will be called
by Pac-12 officials.
SoonerUte, that's interesting, I hadn't checked Ohio U's
schedule. Would be interesting if they were the final BCS buster, as I
don't believe any other team has the potential or schedule to this year or
next. Also, couldn't tell if you knew who I was talking about, but I was
mentioning PSU as "probably not .500."
Utah 95Ding ding ding. We have a winner. A perfect post.
"Nittany Lions opened with a 24-14 loss at home to Ohio. Not Ohio State,
Ohio. --In case you haven't been around football lately, Ohio is no
slouch. And Penn State is still Linebacker U. Probably not a .500 team, but they
will win games."Last week, a national commentator said "if
they can get past Penn State in week one, Ohio could go undefeated the rest of
BYU's season comes down to 4 games, as I thought it would. The chances of
beating all four teams on the road are not that high, but it's possible.
All four games should be competitive. Notre Dame looked very good in their
opener. I knew the defense would be good, but they look better than
I expected. The TE play was also a positive, but Nelson has got to find ways of
getting Apo more involved.In the PAC, USC and Oregon are clearly a
step ahead. Utah, Washington and Stanford should beat the cellar dwellars, but
don't have a chance against the PAC 2.Although, after what I
saw last night, I'm ready to give the NC trophy to Alabama right now. They
were as dominant against a very good Michigan team as Utah was over one of the
worst teams or BYU was against a PAC12 team.
I understand the need for sportswriters to produce an article every day but, I
think predicting how good a team is after one week is a joke. Wait untl they
have played 3-4 games. Even then, some teams don't come together until half
way through the season.
@Mike JohnsonBased on that we should expect the result of the
Utah/USU game to be similar to the BYU/WSU game in Utah's favor or is there
some sort of deduction for Utah playing on the road? Of course I'd think it
should be taken into account that it is a rivalry game although I've never
seen a computer prediction that factors that in. I'm not sure I have ever
seen the Massey rankings you are refering to, I'll have to find them. As far as the game I would expect a Utah win but I'm not going to
say it is definate. It is at USU and it is a rivalry.
I agree Utah State and BYU were better than expected. But was
"Washington State routed by BYU in Provo" or the Cougars beat
themselves? A long TD and a 46 yard reception at the 1 called back due to
holding calls, the game could have easily been 20-30 and over 300 passing yards
for WSU.As far as Utah, the defense allowed #209 team from last year
0 points to never cross the 50, only 114 total yards. For a comparison, last
year #205 Idaho State had 251 yards, 3 points on #26/25 BYU. But unlike BYU,
Utah did struggle on offense early. Conclusion, Utah still has
something to prove. Friday, will be its first test @USU.Go UTES!
Utah won 41-0 against a relatively weak opponent (209th out 245 last year
according to Sagarin in Division I both subdivisions). The defense allowed about
as close to nothing as possible. The offense cruised after an initial slow
start. The final result was about what people expected. So, somehow that
translates into not being as good as expected? I expected a 30 to 40 point
thrashing of Northern Colorado. I didn't expect perfection in
everything.Going into this week, Massey's consensus of 49
computer ratings (based entirely on weighted averages of previous years), had
BYU 31st, Utah 32nd, and Utah State 84th out of 124 FBS teams. Washington State
came in 83rd. Way too early in the season to know if any of these numbers will
hold up. They are more an indication of how well each has played over the past
few years.That said, BYU and Utah in a statistical tie over the past
few years. Utah State and Washington State in a statistical tie. Both make sense
to me. Or at least I can see how they came about.
Be honest, Mr. Sorensen, the first week probably didn't teach us as much as
you suggest.I get it - you were assigned to write an article for
today's paper. But you can do better.
The Pac-12 may not be as good as it's cracked up to be this year.that
was my impression last year as well
Week one showed some teams what it is they need to work on and improve. Utah
may not have played its best game last Thursday night, but got a "W".
They will have to bring their "A" game and play better Friday night
against USU. The defense isn't going to be able to save the offense if
they play like they did last year. I'm sure USU's offense and defense
are pretty good. Will see who wins Friday night.BYU played pretty
good against WSU. They may very well have a solid team this year, but like
Utah, one game doesn't show much of anything until they play some really
competition. I'd say weeks 4 and 5 will give everyone a better idea who
is a contender and who is a pretender.While I think the Utes won the
game last Thursday night, the offense did score, but it wasn't stellar, and
at times appeared sluggish. I'm sure they'll fix the kinks and play
with more fire and intensity Friday. If not, there maybe some cause for concern
when it comes to BYU, ASU, and USC.
We learned that you can't gauge much about your defense when they're
playing an offense in its first game with a new system. The Mike Leach system
isn't mastered in a day.
contd."The Pac-12 may not be as good as it's cracked up to
be this year."I could have warned you about Stanford to start
the year. Replacing as historic of a player as Luck is impossible, especially
when you don't know who replaces him until a week before the game.
They'll remain a borderline top 20 team the rest of the season, but likely
won't blow anybody away anymore. For Cal, Maynard has always proven to be a
feast or famine QB. Also will be interesting to see later this year how this UNR
team compares to their 2010 team. And for Arizona, merely winning while also
holding a team that scored over 42 points per game last year to 24 shows marked
improvement. However, agreed that Wazzu was not as good purported. Their defense
was all over the place, and not in a good way."Nittany Lions
opened with a 24-14 loss at home to Ohio. Not Ohio State, Ohio."In case you haven't been around football lately, Ohio is no slouch. And
Penn State is still Linebacker U. Probably not a .500 team, but they will win
"BYU and Utah State are better than expected."I'd say
the jury's still out. Until USU shows it can take care of business in
closing out close games, they're still about who I expected they were. BYU:
more talented? Definitely. Better? Not so fast. This week will be a matter of
taking care of business for them, but if they play as emotionally in their other
big matchups against teams more disciplined than Wazzu, the game could get very
well out of their hands. 112 yards in penalties? Receivers jumping up
celebrating pointing for a first down (after a 7-yard reception on 1st and 10
haha!)? I'm a little more hesitant with the praise."Utah
and Southern Utah are not as good as expected."Did you expect
them to go for broke on every play like ASU? I admit, the placekicking was
disappointing, but overall the game is about what I expected, and they protected
key players from injury by keeping things fresh so they're just as well off
coming out of the game as going in, if not better.