"Coming out of obscurity"?orTrying to establish
Congrats to Romney for bringing positive press to the LDS Church. He's
almost undone all the negative press we've gotten from Harry Reid.
@ Scientist,I'm pretty sure if you are from Provo, you realize the
church is already established. It's all over the world. People, however,
are still ignorant to its doctrine. Due to recent events that is slowly
changing. Ergo, "coming out of obscurity." I think it is funny when
people make comments like this, thinking they have made such an astute
observation, like they have realized something that no one else has yet. Of
course the church tries to grow its members, it's a church. But you are
mistaken if you think that Mitt is doing what he is doing for the church.
Why, oh, why does Marriott (and the Deseret News!) continue to publicize his
"holy undergarments" story? Doesn't he realize that it and others
like it are the source of all the "magic underwear" headlines we have to
endure? Even if that story is a sincere conclusion on his part, it's a
private thing and not something to be tossed out to the wolfish press ... again!
A Scientist: Establishing a theocracy? No, but millions hope he can reestablish
the constitution, individual freedoms and revitalize our economy. Our future and
our grandchildren’s future depend on Romney winning this election. Go see
Freedom of religion or freedom from religion is a key precept that founded our
country. Latter-day Saints claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God
according to the dictates of their own conscience, and allow all men the same
privilege, letting them worship how, where, or what they may. It is un-American
to be non-inclusive or intolerant.
A Scientist: The term “out of obscurity” was used by Jesus Christ
in referring to the restoration of His church and in laying out instructions for
His prophets in these latter days:D&C 1: 30 And also those to
whom these commandments were given, might have power to lay the foundation of
this church, and to bring it forth out of obscurity and out of
darkness…”Pretty sure He can use whatever phraseology He
Mitt is entitled to run his campaign however he (and maybe his donors) wish, but
it certainly has not been his choice to "spotlight" his faith. In fact,
his beliefs are really no one's business - if you believe the Constitution.
If anyone has been the chief "spotlighters" of Mormonism this year, it
has been those second-rate GOP opponents like Perry and Cain. Nevertheless, Mitt
now becomes the Church's best-known face, surpassing Donny Osmund and Steve
I for one am very vexed by the way Romney is conducting himself and his
campaign. As a result of his dirty campaigning, willingness to stoop to any
level necessary to be elected, and his campaign's total disregard for the
truth, at least half the country holds this Mormon "leader" in very low
regard. How good is that for our religion? I'll be glad when this is over
so I can stop cringing.
I love that Harry Reid and Mitt Romney are two of many faces of Mormonism. The
Church has affirmed and reaffirmed its political neutrality; it is a worldwide
church, where people of all nations, kindreds, tongues, [and political
philosophies] are welcome. Romney's candidacy has brought attention to the
LDS faith, but it's a mistake to assume that all Mormons are aligned with
his politics. He's a candidate who happens to be LDS, not the LDS
Irrespective of whether or not you support Mitt (and good members can and do
disagree politically) there is no doubt that the Romney candidacy has put the
church in the national spotlight.It is my personal belief that this
will overall be good but that there will be some negatives as well. I fear that
folks outside the church will not be able to distinguish between what Mitt puts
forward as part of his platform and what the church teaches. The former may be
"informed" by church doctrine but is unlikely to fully reflect it (not
that a political candidate should fully reflect a religious institution).I do not know Mitt personally. But I have friends who have known him.
It appears he is a good man. I am pleased that a good member would take up a
torch once borne by Joseph Smith.
I'm not a social scientist by any means, but I don't think Romney is
helping the Church. LDS people are known to be honest and frugal, two things
Romney is not. He changes his opinions with the wind it seems. It looks like
no matter what the issue is there is video evidence of him taking one side and
then the other when it is politically expedient. He lives a lavish lifestyle
that most people in America cannot even begin to imagine and pretends to be a
regular ol' Joe. He hedges about his faith all the time. He uses vague
terms like "my faith" and does not even really say LDS or Mormon,
whereas Ryan is constantly saying, Catholic, Catholic, Catholic. All the
Mormons I know (a whole handful) like Romney and hope he wins, but the
non-Mormon Republicans I know don't like him at all. They think he is
slippery and two-faced. They hate Obama more than they like Romney, so
he'll still get their votes, but they are voting for whom they hate less,
not whom they love more.
@Jennifer in San DiegoYou're not completely right to say that
non-Mormon Republicans are voting for Romney just because they hate Obama more.
I know some non religious people in upstate New York that like Romney and will
vote for him because of who he is and not just because they hate Obama more.
I couldn't agree with Jennifer in San Diego more. Plus, I think his
dishonesty is embarrassing and hurts our church (and the image of Christians in
@jennifer in San DiegoI'm just wondering how you know that Mitt is
not frugal and honest. Are you now his judge? Maybe he has millions because he
is frugal. His honesty is between him and his God. And since when is having
money bad. Do you know how much he gives to charity? Do you know how he lives
his life? Until you walk in his shoes, you have no right to judge him or anyone
for that matter.
The claim that a stake president is "equivalent to a bishop" is not
workable. To begin with, it only works if the type of bishop was described. If
they mean Catholic bishops they are just wrong. The typical stake president
presids over maybe 10 wards and branches in a stake with less than 5,000
members. The typical Catholic bishop presides over 100 congregations in a
dioceses with over 100,000 Catholics. The Boston Archdiocese had 1.8 million
Catholics in 2006, down from a high of 2.1 million in 2002. In 2010 the
Archdiocese of Atlanta had 850,000 Catholics, the Diocese of Salt Lake City in
2010 had 250,000 Catholics, up from 120,000 in 2002. The diocese of Las Vegas
has 544,000 Catholics. Thus, Catholic bishops preside over about 100 times the
number of people as LDS stake presidents. There are Catholic parishes with over
I am a devout, observant Latter-day Saint. I do NOT want my church
judged by a mendacious, manipulative politician like Mitt Romney. The proper
role models are people who give of themselves without publicity or notice, like
the unnamed and unidentified volunteers referenced in stories like the one in
this newspaper entitled "Saratoga Springs makes a call for more volunteers
Monday in flood-damaged neighborhood" and other similar stories across the
world. These are the people who should be the "face" and the example of
the LDS Church; not showboats like Mitt.
It is funny how obvious it is to tell what party a person has long since
espoused by the comments and accusations they make.
Am I the only one who is bothered by the fact that it appears the testimony
meeting Romney attended was turned into something like a rally for Romney?
Whether you plan to vote for Romney or not, that was inappropriate. It appears
that Bill Marriott got that ball rolling. Apparently he forgot what testimony
meeting is for.
Cris, I don't mean that rich does not equal frugal. My family is not super
rich like the Romney family but we make more than I would say 99.9% of this
country. So please do not think that I believe wealth is bad. I'm pretty
fond of it. I'll even take back the frugal statement if it makes you happy.
He may be frugal in his own Richie Rich way. But how do I know
Romney is not honest? Well, if someone tells me he's a vegetarian and I
catch him at McDonalds eating a hamburger, it's not judgmental to call him
a liar; it's a fact. And I don't have to walk in his shoes to know
he's a liar.
Dishonesty? If you're going to throw out the accusation, you need to be
specific or you sound like you're one of the 10 people that watch MSNBC.
And don't just drink the kool-aid offered by the "fact checkers."
What a crock they are. Be responsible and learn the facts for yourself. As for
his ability to swing back with knock out blows shows discipline, strategic
skill, and political will. Though you may not have been paying attention to the
primaries, he never took the first swing but he certainly knows how to finish
the fight (ergo Gingrich, et. al.). You watch as the real campaign now unfolds.
The gloves will come off, but Mitt will not take personal shots as opposed to
the "Amateur" incumbent. Mitt's punches will be direct to the
issues at hand and the failures and excesses of the the current administration.
As the chosen challenger to the current debacle in the White House, it is
Mitt's job and responsibility to drive home those issues with the hardest
knockout blows as he can. Politics is a contact sport, and Mitt is the Full Back
(think Nagurski, Riggins, Cambell, or Brown).
Part deux: Of course, I am Romney's judge. WE ALL ARE. He is running for
POTUS. It would be stupid to NOT judge his words, his behavior, his ethics,
etc. His honesty is not between him and God; his honesty is between him and us,
the voters.Is Romney pro-life? Not according to his record. Has ever worried about getting a pink slip, like he said last December?
Ha! He's never been in a position where it was even possible to be fired.
He he lived in the "real streets of America"? Is he
kidding? What real streets? He went to Harvard! He grew up in a wealthy
family. He lives in mansions. Did he create over 100k jobs at Bain?
Not while he was with Bain. And funny how he never mentions all the mass
layoffs when he was there...It's not judgmental to call Romney
a liar. It's the truth. I don't say this as an apologist for Obama.
I'm a conservative. I have always voted Republican. This time I'll
sit it out. I thought Palin was a joke. Jeesh. This party gets worse and
You nor Mitt Romney can divorce his beliefs and running for President. His
beliefs, whether in religion or in government, are what made him what he is.
His character comes from following the teachings he received from his family,
schools, university, church and from meditation and study and especially his
works show that. He has committed himself to doing what is right for his
country, family and God. He has integrated those principles into his life and
which has prepared him to be ready to defend our Constitution of the United
States of America and the freedoms we enjoy of life, liberty and the pursuit of
happiness. What a blessing to have people that have studied the teachings and
beliefs of our Founding Fathers. Those great people and their families
didn't all believe in the same things all the time but they came to a
consensus to give us the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution.
Their document for us can have amendments under strict rules and in over 200
years has been modified very few times. Congress and Presidents have attempted
to do otherwise but have not succeeded. God bless us in this time.
I am not a member of either political party and find I am more concerned about
the core of a person and how they treat people. I don't consider a
person's religion relevant to how they will govern this nation of people
from incredibly diverse backgrounds. The President is not just president of one
group of people; he is the president for everyone and needs to do what is best
for us overall. It is more important to look at his or her integrity,
communication abilities , and abilities to understand the problems we all face.
Therefore, in the vernacular of this campaign, Mr. Romney is not a
"surrogate" for the LDS church. He is only a surrogate for himself. He
does not represent me as a devout Mormon or my views, and he does NOT represent
"the church" nor its doctrines or policies. Look at the man and vote for
him if you will, but leave the church out of it.
As history has shown over the millenia, if a person is religious and a country
was established for religious freedom, even though some may state differently,
you cannot separate their total character from their religion. Mitt Romney has
not wanted to bring that into his equation for running for President of the
United States of America. The other Republican candidates in 2008 and 2012 have
made it one of their top priorities of bringing religion up in all of the
various debates in both cycles. The people of South Carolina made it a big
issue also this spring. Governor Romney, in running for U.S. Senator and
Governor of Massachusetts didn't run either of those campaigns as a member
of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints but it always surfaces.
People since the 1830s have shown their bias against the Church, even devout
members who are trying to live a good life. Politicians of the opposing party
will not divorce religion from their advertising campaigns as people have come
to relate religion and politics the same. The military is always
prepared for the other side's opposition and you need to be ready for what
JWBCertainly there has been bias against the church. There has also been
bias within the church against other religions and other races. Although by in
large the people I know try hard to be good people, but I have many friends who
tell of behavior by Latter-day Saints that was reprehensible. We all need to get
past all of this and quit looking for ways to be offended. Let's move
forward and stop the fighting. There is nothing we can do about the past, but we
can do something about the future. As we do, we can take responsibility for
ourselves and do everything we possibly can not to perpetuate misunderstandings
and disenfranchisement for ALL of God's children, who are, after all, our
brothers and sisters.
"Mormonism is only about forty years old, but its career has been full of
stir and adventure from the beginning, and is likely to remain so to the
end." - Mark TwainI don't know what makes Mr. Marriott
think that Mormonism has been languishing in obscurity. Joseph Smith was a
nationally know figure during his lifetime and the Mormon religion was
controversial from the outset.
JF, I totally agree. Our Bishops stresses every month that testimony meeting is
for "bearing pure testimony". This one sound like a campaign meeting
for Mitt Romney. Was the Spirit there? It's doubtful.I was
cringing the whole time I was reading this article.
Mormon liberals do a better job job than Mormon conservatives in following the
admonition from Church leaders to leave their politics at the door on Sunday
mornings. But because so many of the General Authorities themselves are
conservative Republicans, a lot of Latter-day Saints seem to assume that
political conservatism is practically a tenet of the faith.