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Paul Ryan accepts 'calling of my generation,' says GOP ticket will create jobs

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  • Grundle West Jordan, UT
    Aug. 31, 2012 11:14 a.m.

    @MormonDem

    "rhetorical gymnastics"? I gave you the quote. It is you that seeks to assign one meaning when another was clearly given...context my friend. You also make the assumption that Ryan opposes any bail-outs. Not true...he opposed the bail-outs as they were ultimately administered. He has made that very clear not only in his words but also his actions. You seem to want to paint him in your image of an anti-everything that Pres. Obama has done. There's where your criticisms fail.

    I never defended Ryan in the vein of not cutting Medicare...just his motivation for doing so. And...Where in my post did I criticize Pres. Obama for the cuts? I said there was a difference. I believe Ryan has the better plan...debate for another day.

    "disingenuous on #4" ???? You would have to live on a different planet to not see that the Republicans rejected higher taxes and the democrats rejected domestic entitlement cuts. I stand by the idea that both parties are to blame.

    Your view that "GOP obstruction" completely absolves the democratic party of any responsibility? That's party loyalty!

  • MormonDem Provo, UT
    Aug. 30, 2012 6:58 p.m.

    Type in my last paragraph: The dem majority was NOT a supermajority, and thus not immune to GOP obstruction.

  • MormonDem Provo, UT
    Aug. 30, 2012 6:00 p.m.

    Grundle:

    You really have to do some pretty shameful rhetorical gymnastics to claim that Ryan wasn't blaming Obama for the plant being closed. And it's doubly hypocritical, because even if, as you claim, Ryan was simply saying that Obama's govt-intervention approach doesn't work to prop up flailing companies--why did Ryan lobby the Auto Czar for govt assistance to keep the plant open?

    And yes, Ryan proposed his own debt reduction plan -- which included the same $716 billion in cuts that he criticized Obama for. And you're contradicting yourself if you're defending Ryan's criticism--because if Obama is putting that $716 billion somewhere else, he's not "cutting" it from Medicare, is he? On the other hand, you yourself just admitted that cutting $716 billion from Medicare is precisely what Ryan is proposing--while criticizing Obama for it.

    And you're being disingenuous on #4 as well. Your #4b lumps cutting spending with raising revenue -- and only one party refused to consider raising revenue, not, as you say, "both." And of course, #4c is disingenuous because the dem majority was a supermajority, and thus not immune to GOP obstruction.

  • Grundle West Jordan, UT
    Aug. 30, 2012 4:47 p.m.

    @MormonDem cont...2

    5.
    48% of Americans are on some type of government support (a huge increase over the last four years) and you are talking about a private company contracting with the government? Sounds like more success sour grapes to me...Who do you think does all the road work here in Utah? Yep...Private contractors.

    "My goodness, when Fox News even calls your RNC speech "deceptive," you know you've got an honestly problem."

    Who actually made that comment? oh...a liberal Fox News contributor and President Obama supporter. What did you think she would say? Just listen to the conservative commentators on all the other networks speak when the Democratic convention comes around.

    What....? Can't find one of those? Try Fox...They have em.

  • Grundle West Jordan, UT
    Aug. 30, 2012 4:39 p.m.

    @UtahBlueDevil cont...

    4.
    This is the statement from S&P:
    "We lowered our long-term rating on the U.S. because we believe that the prolonged controversy over raising the statutory debt ceiling and the related fiscal policy debate indicate that further near-term progress containing the growth in public spending, especially on entitlements, or on reaching an agreement on raising revenues is less likely than we previously assumed and will remain a contentious and fitful process. We also believe that the fiscal consolidation plan that Congress and the Administration agreed to this week falls short of the amount that we believe is necessary to stabilize the general government debt burden by the middle of the decade.

    Our lowering of the rating was prompted by our view on the rising public debt burden and our perception of greater policymaking uncertainty, consistent with our criteria…"

    4 points they made:
    a. debt ceiling not being raised - Republican obstruction
    b. cut spending(and especially entitlements) and raise revenue - Both parties to blame
    c. Fell short of the amount that S&P believed was necessary - Who was in the majority? Dems
    d. Debt burden is getting too big - Both parties to blame

  • Grundle West Jordan, UT
    Aug. 30, 2012 4:30 p.m.

    @MormonDem

    1.
    "A lot of guys I went to high school with worked at that GM plant. Right there at that plant, candidate Obama said: “I believe that if our government is there to support you … this plant will be here for another hundred years.” That’s what he said in 2008.

    Well, as it turned out, that plant didn’t last another year. It is locked up and empty to this day. And that’s how it is in so many towns today, where the recovery that was promised is nowhere in sight."

    This is exactly what Paul Ryan said. He did not blame President Obama for the closure, he was making a point about the President's failed policies. The President was campaigning in 2008 on saving the plant. He didn’t, and it closed for good in 2009.

    2.
    The difference between Ryan's rejection and President Obama's rejection is that Ryan then proposed his own plan.

    3.
    There is a difference between cutting $716 billion to fund $1.9 trillion in new health spending, asObamacare did, and CuttingMedicare To Shore up the solvency of the Medicare program_itself

  • MormonDem Provo, UT
    Aug. 30, 2012 1:55 p.m.

    Let's enumerate the deceptions and outright falsehoods in Ryan's speech:

    1) He blamed Obama for a GM plant that closed in Wisconsin, even though the plant closed before Obama took office. (And Ryan even sought government funds to try to keep it open.)

    2) He criticized Obama for rejecting Simpson-Bowles. Guess who else voted against Simpson-Bowles? Paul Ryan.

    3) He criticized Obama's $716 billion reductions in Medicaid spending, even though Ryan's own budget contained the exact same cuts.

    4) He blamed Obama for the S&P credit downgrade, even though the downgrade report specifically identified the GOP's refusal to consider tax reform one of the country's primary fiscal risks.

    5) He criticized government spending, even though the Ryan family's fortune came primarily from government contracts to build highways.

    My goodness, when Fox News even calls your RNC speech "deceptive," you know you've got an honestly problem.

  • Joan Watson TWIN FALLS, ID
    Aug. 30, 2012 1:39 p.m.

    HAPPY VALLEY since you personnaly addressed my DN comment - have you happened to notice that the Ryan 'lie' rheteric has now been a bit soften to 'fudge?' Perhaps the 'fudge' will eventually become, 'well Ryan told the truth..but....' I would respect you if you would address your remarks to Deseret news article comments and not to those who have ideas and thoughts differing from your own.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Aug. 30, 2012 12:34 p.m.

    1st it's "The Government can't creat jobs"

    the,

    It's "Elect me into Government, I can create jobs"

    The GOP hypocracy is absolutely astounding!

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Aug. 30, 2012 11:53 a.m.

    Joan, please enlighten us with which "lies" were really the truth, since you're good at attacking the messenger (am radio trick #1) but you didn't address his speech and the many lies he told.

    What compromise are talking about when he changed his plans to get one democrat on board and then secretly changed it back before presenting it? Yep, that's statesmanship alright.

  • Joan Watson TWIN FALLS, ID
    Aug. 30, 2012 11:06 a.m.

    Sally Kohn the other 'fair and balanced Fox news' is an avowed democrat and wants Obama to be re-elected sounded the liberal march to drown out all the Ryan's national Republicn conconvention speach with accusing sonnets of lies, lies lies. Which was re-echoed by Times, Washington Post ,liberal stalwarts etc, etc. Ryan has been a stalwart challenging Pres Obama's liberal policies - and has used his statesmanchip to compromise where ever he possibly could and stand firm on issues where he in good concience could not. And as far as untruths are nationaly declared by the Demo's - where has there been a correspoonding Kohn article?

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Aug. 30, 2012 10:47 a.m.

    ‘Paul Ryan says GOP ticket will create jobs’

    ===========

    Notice how they never tell you - WHERE?

    For the past 12 years it's all been in Communist Red China.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Aug. 30, 2012 10:25 a.m.

    Ok....imagine my disappointment to get this mornings fact check on Ryan's speech. I was so wanting to like this guy, only to find he lied with the best of them. Conservatives, close your ears, because I know you don't want to know this.

    Biggest was the whole medicare "cuts"... where Ryan claims they were the result of lower services levels, when in fact they are the result in lowered administration fees. The many that wants to lower cost, now claims that money should not be reduced from medicare's budget. How do you have it both ways... you find savings... you cut the budget.

    Second was his claim that Obama promised to keep a GM plant open in his home state... only problem is that plant closed before Obama was ever elected.

    The issue here is there are enough differences in policy that you should be able to run on that, not trying differentiate view extortions and lies. We as a society need to stop giving a pass to those that lie.... on either side of the isle. It has become win at any cost, and the current cost is honesty and integrity.

    I had hope...

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Aug. 30, 2012 8:01 a.m.

    Great speech. But empty and shameless.
    Paul Ryan accused President Obama of taking $716 billion out of Medicare, the fact is that that amount was savings in Medicare reimbursement rates (which, incidentally, save Medicare recipients out-of-pocket costs, too) and Ryan himself embraced these savings in his budget plan

    Ryan didn’t mention his numerous votes to raise spending and balloon the deficit when George W. Bush was president.

    Ryan didn’t mention his previous plan to hand over Social Security to Wall Street.

    Ryan didn’t mention how his budget would eviscerate programs that help the poor and raise taxes on 95% of Americans in order to cut taxes for millionaires and billionaires even further and increase — yes, increase —the deficit.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Aug. 30, 2012 7:54 a.m.

    Fox News called Ryan's speech "Deceiving."

    Sally Kohn of Fox News wrote: Paul Ryan’s speech in 3 words: dazzling, deceiving and distracting.

    On "deceiving" Kohn wrote:
    ... to anyone paying the slightest bit of attention to facts, Ryan’s speech was an apparent attempt to set the world record for the greatest number of blatant lies and misrepresentations slipped into a single political speech. On this measure, while it was Romney who ran the Olympics, Ryan earned the gold.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 30, 2012 7:40 a.m.

    Corporate profits are already at all-time highs. What incentive do they have to take on more help? Government can increase employment only by being the employer of last resort (which Obama should have realized).

  • Springvillepoet Springville, UT
    Aug. 30, 2012 7:05 a.m.

    @GoBigBlue.

    re: Blame.

    You know, When Governor Christie said it was not important to talk about 'how we got here,' but rather, 'what we are going to do about it' I laughed. Of course the GOP doesn't want to talk about 'how' we got where we are because Bill Clinton and G.W. Bush are responsible for the massive de-regulations which allowed insurance companies and banks to gamble with our money in the stock markets, and they can't blame the Democrats without highlighting their role in this recession.

    It's no secret around here I am not a fan of the GOP, but I have to tell you when you want to talk about vacation time, your finger might be pointed at the wrong president. President Obama has taken 61 days of vacation in his 31 months. By that same mark, President G.W. Bush had taken 180 days of vacation. In all, G.W. Bush spent 32% of his time on vacation.

    But I agree with you on this: I want to see Ryan and Biden debate. It's going to be a lot of fun. Ryan is sharp, and Biden is a little bit crazy.

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    Aug. 30, 2012 6:57 a.m.

    @justme001

    Yes. The jobs will be in America. However, in the minds of liberals they won't count as jobs because they might be non-union jobs. Are you okay with non-union jobs?

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Aug. 30, 2012 6:41 a.m.

    Here is my issue. Oh all the candidates the one I like the best is Ryan, not because I agree with his politics, but because I know what his politics are. So in some ways, I like the devil I know better than the devil I don't know.

    This convention has been in large part a huge waste of time. No one was actually stating a platform other than we hate Obama and America is great. Specifics at any level are hugely lacking. It feels more like a high school pep rally where they are chanting their high school is better then their cross town rival, when the reality is they just aren't all that much different. I am assuming the Democratic convention will be equally wasteful.

    But of the four on the ticket, we know Ryan's politics. We know Obama is a left leaning pragmatic that can be hawkish when need be. Biden, eh. Romney is still not clear. This week Romney is anti China - while at Bain, he sent US jobs there. Abortion, gun control positions have morphed. Romney is hard to know because he has contradicted himself often.

    Ryan is the clear winner here.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Aug. 30, 2012 6:25 a.m.

    Democrats claim to care about poor people. That’s obviously true because they create more poor people every day as evidenced by the all time high number of food stamp recipients, the rapid increase in those living below the poverty line, unemployment that is edging up, again, and the skyrocketing energy and food prices! Yes, Democrats love poor people! What we need is less poor people and more rich people in America! Romney and Ryan will make that” fundamental change in America” before its too late!

  • md Cache, UT
    Aug. 30, 2012 6:24 a.m.

    @justme001
    FYI Obama has supported and sent more jobs over seas than Romney did, by a huge amount. Just look at General Electric. They paid no federal taxes last year. More of their employees are out of this country than in it. They kept their profits out of this country to avoid paying taxes. They received subsidies and credits so they didn't pay any taxes. Guess who is the best friend of their CEO and who has extolled their company as a model company? B.O.

    This is to say nothing about the fact that Obama promised to bring unemployment under 8% during his first term. He has said if he is unable to do this, he should be a one term President. Well.... let's make him honor those words, unlike all of the other promises he has broken.

    If you need multiple jobs to pay your mortgage, get a cheaper house. It is better than having me pay your mortgage.

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    Aug. 30, 2012 4:20 a.m.

    @Go Big Blue. Less blame? Republicans blame Democrats and vice verse. If Mitt Romney does win and the economy is still horrible will republicans take responsibility or will they blame democrats?

  • Blue Bolshevik Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 30, 2012 12:52 a.m.

    Yup, you'll have plenty of jobs paying $3.55 and hour to go along with your tax increases, and the 1% will have more parties on yachts registered in the Cayman Islands tax free, woohoo.

  • Go Big Blue!!! Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 29, 2012 10:39 p.m.

    Great speech. Less blame more action. Less golf and vacation more focus on building the economy.

    I seriously can not wait to see Ryan square off with Biden.

  • xscribe Colorado Springs, CO
    Aug. 29, 2012 10:10 p.m.

    @worf: However, according to Ryan, both he and Mitt have already failed, unless the unemployment rate drops to zero. From Ryan's mouth: If you feel passed over (unemployed), you have not failed; your leaders have failed you.

    He said it, not me.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Aug. 29, 2012 9:59 p.m.

    justme001,

    Jobs from the Canadian pipeline, and drilling.

    Lowering corporate taxes, and regulations will bring American companies back to our country.

    You need to do some homework, and research, before blindly following the liberal rhetoric. Ridding ourselves of EPA isn't going to destroy the world anymore than a volcano or natural forest fires would.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Aug. 29, 2012 9:58 p.m.

    I'm worried those jobs are going to be done by Americans. Unfortunately, they will be in Iran.

  • justme001 Salt Lake, UT
    Aug. 29, 2012 9:48 p.m.

    What type of jobs? Are they in this country and do I need multiple ones to pay my mortgage? Since his party wants to get rid of the EPA will my grandkids be able to breath while they look for jobs?

  • justme001 Salt Lake, UT
    Aug. 29, 2012 9:46 p.m.

    What kind of jobs? Are they in this country by any chance?

  • ute alumni Tengoku, UT
    Aug. 29, 2012 9:27 p.m.

    is there any contrast between him and scrappy joe? pleasssssse. joe will have his clock cleaned by ryan

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Aug. 29, 2012 9:21 p.m.

    Great speech.Very American!