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Published: Sunday, Aug. 26 2012 12:00 a.m. MDT

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DVD
Taylorsville, 00

It's an unfortunate thing that we still have large areas of the world in which women are still regarded as less than human. Vote? Own anything? Healthcare? The right to not be attacked for leaving the home? Not in some areas of the world.

Esquire
Springville, UT

While I agree in principle, I am astounded that the editorial policy of this paper is so tightly connected with the Romney campaign. Trying to appeal more to women, a group where Romney does poorly, is a major theme for the convention. You won't even have to bother with your formal endorsement just before the election. You are a campaign publication.

Gildas
LOGAN, UT

Nationally, more women than men enroll in, and graduate from, college. Women make up half the workforce.

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Just consider the statement above.

If the article favored a simplistic gender "equality", which it really seems to, how is having more women than men enrolled in college an accomplishment for gender equality. Doesn't that perhaps betray just a new inequality and a new bias?

Again "Women make up half of the workforce" - a statement presented as a great achievement. How can women make up half of the workforce if the still cherished ideal of women as cef nurturer of children and homemaker was being practiced which, as we all know, it isn't. Is "equality" only gender sameness? Again apparently so in the mind(s) of the editorialist.

How about the other side of the argument which, in this article, is non-existent: Iseem to notice that women rule the divorce courts with often disastrous consequences for families. That's not "equal" according to your simplist view of "equality". Then what about sexist women judges? Or is that another great achievement?

I wish this newspaper would grow up or quit pretending to represent either justice or mercy.

Curtis Hight
Anchorage, AK

The result: greater literacy and a larger pool of candidates for advanced schooling; also greater assurance of continuity of literacy from generation to generation. Literate mothers matter.
(Page 178)

The high social costs of British industrialization reflect the shock of unpreparedness and the strange notion that wages and conditions of labor came from a voluntary agreement between free agents. Not until the British got over these illusions, in regard first to children, then to women, did they intervene in the workplace and introduce protective labor legislation.
(Page 382)

. . . a family that brutalizes its women does not make men of virtue and gratitude.
(Page 388)

The economic implications of gender discrimination are most serious. To deny women is to deprive a country of labor and talent, but--even worse--to undermine the drive to achievement of boys and men. One cannot rear young people in such wise that half of them think themselves superior by biology, without dulling ambition and devaluing accomplishment.
(Pages 412-413)

David S. Landes, The Wealth and Poverty of Nations: Why Some Are So Rich and Some So Poor (New York: W. W. Norton & Company, 1998).

Curtis Hight
Anchorage, AK

In general, the best clue to a nation's growth and development potential is the status and role of women.
(Page 413)

The boys learn that they can hit their sisters, older and younger, with impunity--as I have seen one do, in public, before the eyes of his unprotesting mother. The sister did not even defend herself. Bad for the girls, but just as bad for the boys.
(Page 413)

David S. Landes, The Wealth and Poverty of Nations: Why Some Are So Rich and Some So Poor (New York: W. W. Norton & Company, 1998).

Curtis Hight
Anchorage, AK

For almost all others, including wealthy commercial families, women had a duty to help manage the household (the ie). This meant not only keeping house and rearing children but also enforcing frugality, engaging in farming and industry, and building prosperity. Indeed, this primary task involved everyone, from husband (and maybe husband's mother) to little children. Of course the content of the task varied with social status and family income, but this common cause, which blended with the goal of national prosperity and greatness, gave women much more influence than a simplistic view of etiquette would lead one to think.
(Pages 418-419)

Not until after World War II did Japanese women get the vote--no different in that respect from French women and quicker than the Swiss.
(Page 419)

David S. Landes, The Wealth and Poverty of Nations: Why Some Are So Rich and Some So Poor (New York: W. W. Norton & Company, 1998).

Kate Hutch
Kenmore, WA

What are you talking about?

?With a vote of 52 to 47, today, Republicans in the Senate succesfully blocked a Democratic-backed bill that called for equal pay for women.?

Equal pay for women is not a reality. So women, you can be hired for a job, and a man can be hired for a job that requires identical work. And legally, you can be paid less, just because you are a woman.

Does that not upset you?

Owl
Salt Lake City, UT

Thanks DN for this article. While most of the nation's newspapers are surrogate Obama campaigners, starting with the New York Times, you have presented issues more fairly than most. It seems that anyone who is not blatantly for Obama is labeled as part of the radical right wing. In comparison you are a model of objectivity.

the truth
Holladay, UT

The Amendment did NOT "give" women the right to vote,

it GUARANTEED women the right to vote.

Before amendments about voting were passed it was left up to the states who would be permittted to vote, women voted in some places like wyoming and utah.

Some may say this is a fine distinction but it is an important distinction,

constitutionally all rights belong to people and the states.

It's unfortunate because of abuse of power and the natural tyrannical nature of government that we must "guarantee" rights,

and the left wants to make the government bigger and more powerful, regulating everyone life and business!

govt rocks
Salt Lake City, UT

The truth, don't forget that the "right" also wants to grow the government and regulate everyone's life and business, they just want to do it in different ways:
examples:
drug testing for welfare recepients grows govt, increases costs)
Voter ID laws: grows govt. by requiring everyone who wants to vote to get a govt. issued ID card.
Abortion laws: now, the republican party wants no exceptions, anytime. Does that make mormons, where the official position is it is up to the individual to make a decision in cases of rape, health, etc, all of a sudden pro choice?
War on drugs

Esquire
Springville, UT

@ Owl, the Deseret News is a surrogate campaign organ for Romney. Much more blatantly than the NYT. There is an ongoing debate within the NYT as to whether it leans in an ideological direction. With this paper, they are clear and obvious about it and don't hide it.

cjb
Bountiful, UT

Sexual attraction is a significant way in which the sexes relate to and
view each other. Especially men towards women. A significant
proportion of men's thoughts through the day is related to women
and sexual attraction towards them. This is sometimes referred to
as objectification and unless biology changes neither will this.

Its a shallow man who doesn't see and relate to women's other
aspects. Most men aren't that shallow. Also while most women
women want to be appreciated for all their qualities, almost all
women want to be attractive to men. Its the way God designed
human beings.

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

I had an uncle who I loved dearly, was a good man, a staunch conservative, and a man of deep faith. But one of the things that always surprised me was his attitude about educating women. His wife was an educator herself. In one conversation we were talking about his assistance to his kids and grandkids. He made the comment that he didn't want to waste the money on sending his female prodigy to nice colleges because it would be a waste of money, while the male side should attend the best schools available. While he was a great man, it was sad that he would short change his girls this way, because he felt all they really needed to do was get married and become good wives.

While there is absolutely nothing wrong with stay at home mothers, the idea they should be entitled to a lessor education was a puzzle for me. Women through out the world, and even the US are still viewed as simple helpmeets to their husbands. Thankfully my grandfather saw it differently, and made sure his daughters were well educated, and one becoming a professor at the U.

Jess29
SANDY, UT

I can't believe that Deseret News published an article portraying women's progress in a positive light. Most articles are just about how women's progress is just hindering men. It really must be election time.

gramma b
Orem, UT

I guess it is a good thing that we have the vote. However, when I see how many of my fellow women will vote to make the government their "Sugar Daddy," instead of ordering their lives so that they can take care of themselves, I sometimes wonder.

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

"However, when I see how many of my fellow women will vote to make the government their "Sugar Daddy," instead of ordering their lives so that they can take care of themselves, I sometimes wonder."

I would love to get more detail on exactly what you mean here. How are women voting to make government their "Sugar Daddy"?

Joan Watson
TWIN FALLS, ID

Thank you for referring to 'women' as 'women' in stead of 'feminists.'

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