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Published: Friday, Aug. 24 2012 12:45 p.m. MDT

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Screwdriver
Casa Grande, AZ

What is going on lately? Mabey it's just more coverage, or more high profile shootings. There are a pretty steady 30,000 firearm deaths a year I guess in the USA. But it sure does seem different this summer.

Liberal Ted
Salt Lake City, UT

Too bad other people didn't have a weapon to shoot the shooter. The mayor of that city was in a conference discussing ways to disarm those that lawfully carry firearms.

For some reason there are people that believe if you get rid of guns, then murders would disappear. The fact is more people are killed by knives and clubs than by guns. I guess we need to remove every kitchen knife, pocket knife, and anything that can be used as a club. We need to get rid of coffee mugs because one lady killed her husband with it (the tennis judge I forget her name), nations fought before guns with knives, shields, rocks, fire etc.

We can't remove every possible hazard. We can allow responsible citizens to protect themselves. Unless the government is going to give each of us body guards through it's welfare program, they can't gurantee our protection.

Maybe instead of looking for ways to control peoples lives, why not focus on getting people jobs for now? If we can't solve that problem how are we going to solve people that lose it and want to kill other people?

spring street
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

@
you state "Too bad other people didn't have a weapon to shoot the shooter."

from the article "Nine others were hit by gunfire, including some who may have been struck by police bullets."

While I do not agree with restricting peoples second amendment rights I think it also foolish to believe that vigilantism is going to lead to anything but more deaths. Further, chest thumping about vigilantism does not help protect second amendment rights it only fuels fear among those that seek to take your guns away. stop helping to fuel their fire.

Mark B
Eureka, CA

Ted's post is all over the place. I can't tell whether he's concerned about the latest "mass clubbing" or claiming that only unemployed people ever open fire. And how does he know there weren't armed people all around our latest crime scene? Anyway, Ted has served us by reminding us of the NRA party line, which they only repeat on non-shooting days.

Liberal Ted
Salt Lake City, UT

Those that believe outlawing guns altogether would stop violence are wrong.

We have outlawed illegal drugs, yet they flow freely. We tried prohibition, but, alcohol still flowed freely. We could protect our borders and bring the number of illegals coming in to a trickle. We try sanctions on other nations, yet they still get through it. We have rules of no cheating or plagarism, yet it still happens.

The idea of disarming those that would like to defend themselves with a firearm is ridiculous.

We have more traffic deaths on the roads. Should we ban cars altogether? More people die from cigarettes and alcohol, should we ban those vices? People drown, should we ban people from going out onto the lakes and being close to water? People get skin cancer, should we outlaw the sun?

spring street
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

sorry my last comment was directed at Liberal ted.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

"Those that believe outlawing guns altogether would stop violence are wrong."

ted,

Who is "those" people who want to outlaw guns altogether?

That would be much more useful that arguing against outlawing cars and coffee cups.

Mark B
Eureka, CA

I was wrong. I thought Ted would be past the "Hey, cars kill people, too and THEY'RE still legal" argument. The thing is, cars have other uses, and, by regulating them, the streets are safer than they would be otherwise.

Rifleman
Salt Lake City, Utah

Re: Screwdriver Casa Grande, AZ
"What is going on lately? Mabey it's just more coverage, or more high profile shootings."

Today they are reporting that all nine victims were shot ..... by the police and not the suspect. As long as we are all so sure that gun control works perhaps we should ask ourselves if we really want the police in New York City packing deadly weapons either.

I can perhaps understand the police shooting 3 or 4 of the victims but shooting all 9 may be a case of over overkill. (Yes, the pun was intended.)

Kalindra
Salt Lake City, Utah

@ Liberal Ted: Upon further review of the facts - you are proven wrong.

The shooter shot and killed one man. The police, firing at the shooter, shot and killed the shooter and injured 9 innocent bystanders.

Imagine how much worse it would have been if there had been more than 3 people with guns.

Rifleman
Salt Lake City, Utah

Re: Kalindra Salt Lake City, Utah
"Imagine how much worse it would have been if there had been more than 3 people with guns."

Yes, you are correct, especially if the next 3 people were also police. I'm sure you do realize that there are going to be questions about how much training these officers had received.

xscribe
Colorado Springs, CO

Rifleman: Here's a quote from a sefl-confessed consealed-weapon permit holder: "No, those of us who do have CCW permits feel any obligation to come running to your rescue in your hour of need. That is what your cell phone is for."

I agree and posted basically the same thing as Kalindra: Now add a bunch of citizens with guns ablazing into (choose any altercation here), and guess what the results might be.

Rifleman
Salt Lake City, Utah

Re: xscribe Colorado Springs, CO
"Now add a bunch of citizens with guns ablazing into (choose any altercation here), and guess what the results might be."

When, exactly, was the last time you read about any private citizen with a concealed carry permit who was fool enough to start blasting into a crowd of bystanders to take out some crazed gunman ever? One thing the folks in Utah with conceal carry permits have in common with the police in this state is that they both have enough common sense not to do something so fool hardy.

When is the last time you read about police in New York City shooting into a crowd of bystanders to take out a gunman? The correct answer would be Friday, Aug. 24, 2012.

Flying Finn
Murray, UT

@ Rifleman

People using this story to try and promote gun control don't have a grasp on the concept. If anything this story is an example of why we can't depend upon the police in an emergency. Someone once suggested that the police put on their pants the same way as everybody else. When it comes to good judgment this story is a good example of what not to do.

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