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Brad Rock: Demise of colorful WAC on BYU's, Utah's hands

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  • Elmer Fudd Sandy, Utah
    Aug. 28, 2012 5:57 p.m.

    @ worf

    "BYU wouldn't have lost Colorado. Don't be in denial! Fluke!"

    BYU had 7 turnovers and 5 of those turnovers were caused by Utah's defense.

    Don't better football teams cause and capitalize on turnovers?

    There is no fluke worf! Utah was the better team in 2011. 54-10 and your team QUIT! Man up and accept defeat. No more excuses!

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    Aug. 27, 2012 8:33 p.m.

    worf
    Mcallen, TX
    Mr. Fudd,

    BYU wouldn't have lost Colorado. Don't be in denial! Fluke!

    _______________

    BYU is 3-8-1 all time against Colorado.
    BYU is 6-9 all time against San Jose St.

    Don't be in denial! Fact!

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Aug. 27, 2012 6:15 p.m.

    Mr. Fudd,

    BYU wouldn't have lost Colorado. Don't be in denial! Fluke!

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Aug. 27, 2012 3:54 p.m.

    uteBusters said:

    WACpaddled

    Can you name a bcs conference school that has lost TWO games to 10-loss teams in the last 5 years?

    It's no wonder that Utah has to schedule an opening week scrimmage against a winless 1-AA opponent so the Utes can get over their opening game jitters before having to face an actual team."

    Uhh what does your comment have to do with BYUs schedule this season? Its ok, go ahead and deflect the embarrassing situation that BYU is in.

    Regarding 10 losses. Not sure but Minnesota, Indiana and Maryland come to mind. Could be wrong, but I'm not the one throwing out the pointless information that has nothing to do with this season like you did.

  • uteBusters Park City, UT
    Aug. 27, 2012 10:46 a.m.

    WACpaddled

    Can you name a bcs conference school that has lost TWO games to 10-loss teams in the last 5 years?

    It's no wonder that Utah has to schedule an opening week scrimmage against a winless 1-AA opponent so the Utes can get over their opening game jitters before having to face an actual team.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    Aug. 26, 2012 11:27 p.m.

    I have a question for you worf.

    Can you name one BCS conference school closing out its season with Idaho at home, and San Jose St and
    New Mexico St. on the road?
    You won't find one.

    But I can name a WAC legacy team riding the coattails of Notre Dame as an independent that plays that very schedule.
    BYU!

  • Elmer Fudd Sandy, Utah
    Aug. 26, 2012 8:41 p.m.

    @ worf

    "Utah's win last year was a fluke, and much of the boasting of Ute fans are premature, and arrogant".

    I don't know what game you were watching last year, but the Utah-BYU game the whole nation watched witnessed BYU get dismantled by a superior Utah team. There is no fluke in a 44 point beat down, but there is a complete domination by a better Utah team on both sides of the ball.

    "Harping on games with Idaho, while playing 0-11 Northern Colorado is silly".

    Well, BYU is still playing Idaho. They dropped Idaho State from last year but they added Weber State this year. BYU's schedule has improved a little bit this year, but their schedule is still watered down by all those WAC and FCS teams.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Aug. 26, 2012 7:30 p.m.

    I never claimed BYU was in the same class as Notre Dame, although both were in the top six most watched college football teams last year.

    Utah's win last year was a fluke, and much of the boasting of Ute fans are premature, and arrogant. Harping on games with Idaho, while playing 0-11 Northern Colorado is silly.

  • No Conference Will Take Us SEATTLE, WA
    Aug. 26, 2012 1:02 p.m.

    worf
    Mcallen, TX
    Mr. Fudd!

    What are you talking about?:

    * Revenue from the Oklahoma game was real
    * BYU kept the MWC satellite station going.-greater national appeal than any other.
    * Utah is not in the same class as TCU, just like they're not with USC, Stanford or Oregon. Quit using others to build a reputation!

    Truth hurts, but lets be real.

    >>>

    Another fellow BYU fan that can't accept the fact we are riding the coattail of Notre Dame. A school that made being independent so attractive that Idaho decided to join us.

    Are we in the same class as Idaho or Notre Dame? In no way is it ND.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Aug. 26, 2012 11:48 a.m.

    Mr. Fudd!

    What are you talking about?:

    * Revenue from the Oklahoma game was real
    * BYU kept the MWC satellite station going.-greater national appeal than any other.
    * Utah is not in the same class as TCU, just like they're not with USC, Stanford or Oregon. Quit using others to build a reputation!

    Truth hurts, but lets be real.

  • Elmer Fudd Sandy, Utah
    Aug. 25, 2012 12:46 p.m.

    @ worf

    It was BYU who was dependent on Utah and TCU while they were in the MWC. Both Utah and TCU were the bread runners for the conference and BYU and others just sat back to collect their paychecks from Utah and TCU's BCS money. So whose been dependent in the BCS era? It's BYU, because they haven't done squat in making a BCS run like there two fellow conference rivals have twice. BYU has been mediocre since Coach Edwards has retired and they're no signs of the glory years coming back anytime soon for the cougs! Enjoy your irrelevance, I mean independence.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Aug. 25, 2012 11:51 a.m.

    It was BYU, and not Utah that hurt the WAC. Utah has mostly been dependent on BYU for revenue, and national exposure, like the other WAC teams.

    Utah couldn't win half their PAC games last year, and like they were in the WAC, be a bottom dweller in their new conference.

  • Kiboo South Jordan, Utah
    Aug. 24, 2012 11:42 p.m.

    Earnest-no, you are wrong. BYU and Utah's relationship was much more than football, it was the entire package. No doubt USU was the better of the three football teams back in the 1960's. But to believe that the WAC was going to admit 3 teams within a 100 mile radius (without the population to support it) well, it wasn't going to - and obviously did not happen.

    You talk as if the entire decision to accept or reject USU was up to BYU. Seems to me that there were 7 other schools that had an equal say in the matter. BYU and Utah might not have enthusiastically supported the admittance of USU (we will never know), but even if they had, it would not have happened.

    As for BYU's dominance over USU since the 60's chalk one up to one of the greatest coaches of all time - LaVell Edwards. Thanks for preparing him to take on the challenge at BYU - and succeed. The last 40 years of football at BYU have been great!

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 24, 2012 8:45 p.m.

    Kiboo: You're wrong. The Utah-USU rivalry was much bigger at that time than the Utah-byu rivalry. byu's president was the one who blocked USU. Utah just didn't stick up for USU.
    If it weren't for a USU alum (LaVell Edwards), byu football would have never become better than USU.

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    Aug. 24, 2012 8:43 p.m.

    Look at who is writing the article. Don't take anything seriously.

    "BYU won the WAC championship last year, and many expect them to do the same again this year."

    So that adds to yet another WAC championship then. Way more than anyone ever in the WAC. So BYU is independent and rivals still want to say they are winning championships? Interesting they still see BYU as the WAC champion, as they should cuz all they did was win it when they were there.

    By this same logic, if they win all their games in the WAC this year, they'll win the WAC. If they win all their PAC games, they'll win the PAC. Hey, it's not my logic. You better accept this if it happens, cuz it's very, very likely to happen. Who wins the WAC and PAC in the same year? BYU may be the first, according to BYU's rivals.

  • SoCalUtahFan Irvine, CA
    Aug. 24, 2012 7:51 p.m.

    54-10: true comment is much appreciated. I wish I can 'like' your comment more than 1

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    Aug. 24, 2012 6:10 p.m.

    Swoop,

    Utah 54

    Byu 10

    Utah = PAC 12

    Byu = Indy

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Aug. 24, 2012 5:59 p.m.

    It was more than BYU and Utah of course. Half the WAC left to form the MWC. Those same teams then bemoaned losing BYU and Utah last year. You can't have it both ways.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 24, 2012 4:50 p.m.

    Dutchman

    "Now Utah has emerged as the power."

    Power of what? You can't even beat lowly Colorado.

  • LAsorda Orem, UT
    Aug. 24, 2012 4:49 p.m.

    Karl Benson killed the WAC.

    He couldn't recognize a good deal and ignored the bread winners of the conference. He still continues his mess (I.e., see Sun Belt)

  • BYUSU Zion, UT
    Aug. 24, 2012 4:45 p.m.

    I was told another reason USU was held out of the WAC wasn't just BYU & Utah. It was because the other teams didn't want 3 Utah teams in the WAC. Anyone else hear this?

  • esodije ALBUQUERQUE, NM
    Aug. 24, 2012 2:31 p.m.

    Nah, Arizona and Arizona State killed the WAC when they left in, what was it--1978?

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    Aug. 24, 2012 2:28 p.m.

    This is like trying to analyze why the allies didn't do more carpet bombing in Normandy prior to D-day potentially saving thousands of lives. What happened has happened. Prior to WW II Britain was the big world power. After the war the United States was the unquestioned power. Sound familiar? During the WAC years BYU and ASU were the powers. Now Utah has emerged as the power. Time to move on.

  • alternate Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 24, 2012 2:05 p.m.

    May I suggest that Utah and BYU fans eliminate some silly finger pointing right now by agreeing that when Utah plays Northern Colorado in week one and BYU plays Weber State in week two, they both have very easy games against lower division competition.

  • alternate Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 24, 2012 1:58 p.m.

    The comment by CordonBleu hits the nail right on the head. The WAC is not dead, it is now alive as the new MWC. Beginning next year, Hawaii, Fresno St, San Jose State, Nevada and Utah State will make up half of the MWC. Sure New Mexico, CSU, Wyoming, AFA, and UNLV are also there but, remember, they were part of the infamous 16 team WAC before the birth of the MWC. Rock should have emphasized this in his story. Kind of missed the boat in his attempt to pick on Utah and BYU.

  • PAC 12 loves U Sandy, Utah
    Aug. 24, 2012 1:40 p.m.

    @ ute alumni

    Who is BYU playing in week 2?

    Another FCS cupcake for Bronco!

  • UU32 Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 24, 2012 12:43 p.m.

    I don't think BYU and Utah killed the WAC. It was when they got expansion happy and moved to 16 teams with those stinkin' 4 team quadrants that killed it. They added teams that didn't add much value - just footprint. Funny that the grand expansion going on now is focused on footprint and media markets. Hope they don't go too far and forget what makes college sports great. It may already be too late for the that hope though.

  • CordonBleu Park City, UT
    Aug. 24, 2012 11:31 a.m.

    The whole premise of the "WAC" dying is silly. It completely ignores the fact that the WAC that BYU and Utah helped create in 1962 no longer existed after the MWC was created. Of the six founding members of the WAC - BYU, Utah, Arizona, ASU, Wyoming, and New Mexico - not a single member remained after the MWC was created, and UTEP, which joined with CSU in 1967, left the conference in 2005.

    The WAC of the late 70's and through early 90's became the MWC, which still lives on, minus BYU and Utah.

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    Aug. 24, 2012 10:45 a.m.

    Okay. lets see here

    1. Karl Benson is a good guy and Craig Thompson is a bad guy
    2. Karl Benson made a mistake by adding some 8 more teams to WAC.
    3. BYU and Utah would join the bcs league and Utah took the bait to pac league and BYU want better exposers.
    4. Oh yeah, the mtn was a joke including Craig Thompson.
    5. Very nice to Karl to let Utah State to join the MWC.

    Don't know what to say Karl, thanks for the memory.

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    Aug. 24, 2012 10:19 a.m.

    16 team WAC started the death, not long after BYU, Utah, and the rest decided to start the MWC. But let's not forget the good that the WAC did for the state of Utah, prior there were only odd conference affiliations.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Aug. 24, 2012 10:05 a.m.

    So are you saying you wish Utah and BYU were still in the old WAC?? What a dumb article...

  • Kiboo South Jordan, Utah
    Aug. 24, 2012 9:45 a.m.

    Earnest T Bass - you are wrong again. The proximity of Utah, BYU and USU killed USU more than anything. Utah and BYU have always been connected at the hip (until Utah bailed a few months ago). When the WAC was formed Wilkinson was looking out for the best intersts of BYU just as the administration at the U of U was looking out for their best interests. USU was simply the odd man out. The WAC couldn't justify 3 teams within a 100 mile radius given the limited population in Utah at that time.

    As has been pointed out by many, the real culprit of the demise of the WAC is greed. The same greed that lead Utah to sever its ties with BYU.

  • Z South Jordan, UT
    Aug. 24, 2012 9:19 a.m.

    BYU and Utah did not kill the WAC, the WAC killed itself. The 16 team, 4 division format never worked and was a bad idea from the start. It was a knee-jerk reaction to the breakup of the Southwest conference, and resulted in an expensive, unworkable setup. Ultimately, with no major TV contracts or bowl tie-ins, the conference was more expensive to run than it was worth, and the expanded conference died a natural death.

    And if the MWC hadn't picked up Boise State, someone else would have. In the last two years conference realignment has been a fact of life, and conferences have been cherry picking each other for a while now. Where do you really place the blame when the dominos start to fall?

  • Madden Herriman, UT
    Aug. 24, 2012 8:57 a.m.

    Didn't BYU and Utah used to have better running mates in their conference, i.e. Arizona and Arizona State? Those two left for greener pastures, helping create a WAC conference with a lack of balance. BYU and Utah carried much of the conference load then (and again in the MWC, along with TCU when they came along) - eventually you knew it would have to end. No reason to throw blame around - college football has not been ruined by conference changes, at least not yet. It is alive and well.

  • BYU Deek Spanish Fork, UT
    Aug. 24, 2012 8:54 a.m.

    Everyone is forgetting that it was Craig Thompson that killed the WAC. BYU and Utah had nothing to do with it. Had Craigo not gone behind BYU's and the WAC's back and slyfully added Fresno St and Nevada when BYU was working their deal with the WAC and Independence, then the WAC would still be a solid conference, with game agreements with BYU. The MWC would be struggling instead, and this article would be titled "Did BYU and Utah kill the MWC?"

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    Aug. 24, 2012 8:46 a.m.

    9er4life

    The demise of the WAC won't affect BYU's scheduling at all - BYU's scheduling agreement with the WAC ended with the 2012 season.

  • 9er4life Provo, UT
    Aug. 24, 2012 7:54 a.m.

    The demise of the WAC will hurt byu who is already struggling to schedule teams. We already know their November schedule is the WAC. I just think they should rejoin the WAC just to make things easier for them.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 24, 2012 7:54 a.m.

    @bandersen:
    USU was better than byu in the 60s. It wasn't better than Utah.
    It was byu's president who opposed adding USU to the WAC and Utah went along with it.
    If the WAC never expanded to 16 teams, Utah & byu wouldn't have left.

  • ute alumni Tengoku, UT
    Aug. 24, 2012 7:37 a.m.

    54-10
    who is utah playing next week?
    another sterling opening game for whitt

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    Aug. 24, 2012 7:33 a.m.

    Brad, you failed to mention the first sucker punch that BYU and UTAH threw, not allowing UTAH STATE into the WAC in the 60's! At the time, USU was(hard to believe, I know)far and away the best football program in the state, something that BYU and UTAH did not like and were not about to make USU stronger by adding them to the conference! No one was even close! It would have made the conference stronger and made the rivalries between those schools amazing! The result of not allowing them into the WAC eventually pushed USU into secondary status as a football program, from which they have never fully recovered!

  • TheNun Granstville, UT
    Aug. 24, 2012 6:40 a.m.

    "Utah and BYU responsible for the WAC's demise", hold on a minute Rock Monster. The Utes may have turned their backs to the WAC, but BYU won the WAC championship last year, and many expect them to do the same again this year.

    Clearly, the Y is trying to keep the WAC from folding.

  • yarrlydarb Ogden, UT
    Aug. 24, 2012 6:22 a.m.

    College sports little by little started a slippery slope toward becoming and now is completely dominated by the haves over the have-nots.

    They're now big business and will continue to grow until sports will cease to exist as they once were as all schools will place money as the raison d'etre.

    Utah and BYU did not slay the WAC, but greed, the very love of money, will eventually decimate athletic competition altogether.

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    Aug. 24, 2012 6:05 a.m.

    BYU and Utah left the WAC because it was a 16 team conference required to share the wealth. Too many schools were making bank of the success of other programs. Who wouldn't leave?

    Plus the WAC would be still a strong conference today if Nevada and Fresno St. hadn't sold out BYU when the Cougs had agreed to join the WAC again in all other sports but football.

    I don't understand why Rock chose this angle? I would be looking at failed system of sustaining a conference rather than teams reacting to bad decisions.

  • NeilT Clearfield, UT
    Aug. 24, 2012 5:39 a.m.

    The WAC and the other non BCS conference schools should have pursued legal action against the BCS
    I hate to see the WAC go. The WAC should have never pursued the 16 team format. Schools like Rice just never fit in. Let's hope the MWC survives. I agree with the other posters.

  • rvalens2 Burley, ID
    Aug. 23, 2012 11:40 p.m.

    If college football had had a true National Championship Playoff, with all the conferences getting one seat at the table, then the WAC would have likely survived. There would not have been the rush to get in with the "Big Boys" before the doors closed.

    The BCS conferences knew that by cherry picking the very best of their lesser brethren, they would squash true financial equality between the leagues and still get to keep the biggest piece of the financial pie for themselves.

    I can't really blame either Utah or BYU for jumping ship and getting into a life boat before the SS WAC/Mtn. West sank into the ocean.

    Do Utah and BYU share some of the blame? Yes, but they didn't devise the system, they just knew when it was time to either join it or get left out.

    The REAL reason for the demise of college football, as we have known it, was GREED.

  • AlaskaCougar Wasilla, AK
    Aug. 23, 2012 10:55 p.m.

    The BCS killed the WAC. The evidence was BYU and Utah leaving, but it was the greed and inequity of the college football system that was the source of the demise.

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 23, 2012 10:32 p.m.

    How's BYU responsible for the demise of the WAC? I thought they were still in that conference.

    LOL