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Published: Friday, Aug. 24 2012 12:00 a.m. MDT

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John C. C.
Payson, UT

Pornography does more than objectify women, it weakens those who indulge and threatens all who depend on them.

Boys fail to reach full masculinity as they bow like slaves to passing whims and lose control over their productive time. Chivalrous etiquette rings hollow as potential knights in shining armor secretly abandon the defense of a woman’s honor, threatening it with every wayward thought.

Christ taught that avoiding adultery includes not even looking on a woman with lust.

Fathers, distracted by an addictive allure, grow weak. They lose the tender sensitivity needed to appreciate and nurture their own children.

Wives notice that husbands are somehow preoccupied, losing interest in the higher relationship they once shared.

What kind of security depends on soldiers too soft to wait for marriage?

The 60’s gave us two great lies, the excuses of “consenting adults” and “victimless crimes.” Well, now we are all victims, most having never given consent. Future generations may soon grow mostly in the homes of single parents. That is an illegitimate future.

Morality is a package deal. Either we fully honor marriage or we don’t.

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

It's the nearly weekly article on Porn. Sad that I see the word pornography appears so often in your paper, reminding me that it's still available out there, otherwise I don't think I would be thinking about it so much.

patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

I think the Deseret News is right in talking about Porn - every week if need be. The internet has opened a black hole in which millions are getting sucked into and it can bring complete ruin to individuals, families and society as a whole. CBS, NBC and ABC are also pushing the limits of nudity on TV which should also be alarming to anyone who cares about the health of our society. Porn is a slippery slope and if taken too far it can destroy lives. The key phrase to adopt in facing a world filling fast with smut is "STOP IT". Just stop viewing, watching, listening to it. The body will heal and so will the mind.

Owl
Salt Lake City, UT

A societal shift begins with an individual shift in moral values, something governments are unable to accomplish. Those who advocate ignoring porn are unwitting enablers.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

My existence is much more connected to the real world than many people in utah, and at that I'm just not seeing porn around every corner. It doesn't even enter my sphere of experience usually unless the DN runs the weekly story about it. Yes, child porn is a problem, that it exists at all is sick. Most reasonable people know that. What worries me are people who want to ban everything because they were offended by a picture in a department store sale flier.

Screwdriver
Casa Grande, AZ

It's not just men BTW. Not to excuse it in any way. Women are a fast growing consumer of internet pornography according to a few studies and more importantly women get thier nasties in the form of novels. Just as bad.

The solution to me, and I would LOVE is zoning laws for the internet. Just like they don't put a dance parlor next to a school, there is no reason to have pornography located at a close misspelling of a common domain name.

All that garbage should be a .xxx instead of .com

It's not right that I have to pay money to TRY to filter out all that stuff I don't want.

Mukkake
Salt Lake City, UT

[This long road to social acceptance began in earnest in the 1950s with magazines that peddled female nudity as art]

"Female nudity as art" only began in the 1950s? The statement is both funny and disturbing.

If the author(s) of the this article knew the first thing about art, they would know that men have been creating art of nude women all around the world for MILLENIA. The Venus of Willendorf is over 20,000 years old. Of course, some Americans seem to think that world culture started sometime in the last 200 or so years.

Male nudity also has a rich history in art; Michelangelo's Adam and David, to say the least.

Many of the great female artists, when and where they have been allowed to flourish, have also depicted nudity.

If you hate nudity, you hate art. Its that simple.

Besides, how much is too much? It is relative. For many of the Muslim masters, the human figure was so offensive that they invested their talents in geometric arabesques, architecture, and calligraphy. While I appreciate the art they did create, it is unfortunate they couldn't use their talents to depict the human form.

John C. C.
Payson, UT

Those who have lost their innocence due to pornography are no longer able to enjoy "nudity as art." One more loss due to a "victimless crime."

lds4gaymarriage
Salt Lake City, UT

I am disturbed by the DN seemingly pushing for the adoption of laws that promotes
our (LDS) subjective morality. It used to be same-sex marriage. I found it ironic
that our opposition to Prop.8 was in violation of scripture. The new target is
porn.

Adult porn shouldn't be classified as a crime. Crime is where we one uses force or
fraud to harm the person, property or rights of others. Porn isn’t a crime…it’s a
vice. A vice is a behavior that is subjectively immoral that people engage in
seeking enjoyment.

I agree that porn should be kept from kids. It should be relegated to .xxx sites on
the net which would easily allow people to block in their homes and businesses.
Many don’t want to have the .xxx domain name because it would, in their minds,
legitimize porn and thwart efforts of outlaw it.

We LDS are right to use kindness, gentleness, meekness and love unfeigned to
encourage others to refrain from porn, but using the force of law is contrary to
agency.

Tekakaromatagi
Dammam, Saudi Arabia

@mukkakke: you said Islamic art depicted a lot of geometric patterns calligraphy because they avoided nudity. You made that sound like a bad thing. In the modern Hollywood, 5th avenue, mtv world everything is about sex. Sex has become an artistic rut that many fall into and which Moslem artists avoided. Perhaps that is one advantage of their modesty.

Hank Pym
SLC, UT

@ Happy Valley Heretic

If we can't get anti-porn and/or pro-Romney stories who/what would fill the void?

A voice of Reason
Salt Lake City, UT

Hutterite,

Really? What a fantastic argument! I mean, it's not like people ever view porn secretly, in private, cover their tracks after viewing it, etc. I mean, if people viewed it, surely they would just announce it to your face.

Saying porn 'isn't present' cause 'you don't see people using it' isn't cogent.

lds4gaymarriage,

Violation of scripture? What if God came down and commanded you to defend His union of marriage? Would that be a violation of scripture? LDS Doctrines are a means to an end and that end is building God's kingdom. The church isn't promoting force, but democratic freedom!

The priesthood holders that God has authorized have been clear in declaring the truth, defending it's place in law (and they've even been clear on how promoting beliefs in law is compatible with objective principles of freedom).

Those who speak for the church and are authorized to speak for God have said differently than you. I do not accept your doctrines. I am no authority nor am I even nearly obedient enough to be one, but what you suggest is false and I reject it. D&C 64: 34-39

Tekakaromatagi
Dammam, Saudi Arabia

In many cases people don't encounter pornography, and that is great. But the Deseret News is correct in raising this issue in order to wake us from the moral lethargy that permits the objectifying of women. I applaud them for their progressive stance.

Hondo12
CENTERVILLE, UT

lds4gaymarriage
I did not see what you saw in the article. I saw no mention of using laws to force our morality. The editorial merely talked about making behaviors uncool, specifically porn and incivility. As an aside, I used to support gay marriage but no longer do so. There are many reasons for this change but a big reason was that the gay marriage likely would negatively affect poor people and minorities (disproportionately), two segments of society that I think deserve better. I do agree wholeheartedly with your last three paragraphs. Cheers.

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

This links back to the Lance Armstrong story... where personal character doesn't seem to matter anymore. We hold people up as heros like Donald Trump, who on his own show rewards lying and cheating. It is a matter of character, where in the past if you were a person of integrity, you wouldn't be involved in issues like this.

But we have for example an "industry" report that cited that in cities where Republican conventions are going on, the per person spend increases $150, and during Democratic conventions it is up $50, at adult establishments. Here are the people that are to be the examples to us all, those who proclaim family values, supporting an industry that used to be taboo. And it makes what they say, meaningless.

So personal integrity is dead, for the most part. And if you don't have integrity, why would pornography matter. Winning at all cost - and there are no cost to my actions. It is a very sad cycle we are in.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

Free market, isn't that what repubs and folks at the Dnews want?

If porn wasn't such a lucrative industry, THEY WOULDN'T BE MAKING IT!

Perhaps folks need to focus on themselves, become accountable to themselves and their families, instead of forcing more government and more laws into my life.

A voice of Reason
Salt Lake City, UT

lds4gaymarriage,

"using the force of law is contrary to agency."

First, freedom and agency are not the same thing. To pass and enforce a law does not infringe agency- otherwise agency is infringed when cops ticket people for speeding. Do our anti-drug laws destroy agency? If that were true, no one would be doing drugs.

The doctrine you refer to is moral relativism, which contends with LDS doctrine.

Relativism is appealing. I understand for myself why it is. However, if you want to know what IS LDS, one doesn't adhere to worldly philosophies, popular ideas, political discourse. Those may have glimpses of merit, but if you want LDS you go to the source; and the living prophets ARE LITERALLY scripture for our time. In the scriptures, it repeats over and over that anyone speaking when moved upon by the Holy Ghost is speaking scripture, the will of God, and so on. D&C 68:4 explains this principle plain for everyone to understand.

If you spend your time studying a prophets words and desiring to understand them rightly, then you will- but contending their words will never justify you and only leads yourself and others away.

lds4gaymarriage
Salt Lake City, UT

AVOR

Violation of scripture? ...The priesthood holders that God has authorized have been clear in declaring the truth, defending it's place in law...Those who speak for the church and are authorized to speak for God have said differently than you. I do not accept your doctrines.

LDS4

Sorry, but the prophets have said that if they say anything contrary to scripture, that we are to reject their words and hold to scripture. Scripture condemns using one's religious beliefs as justification to infringe upon the rights and liberties of others. The gays in CA prior to Prop. 8 had the right/liberty to marry yet we, in direct violation of ancient and modern scripture, used our religious beliefs regarding marriage as justification to infringe upon that right.

Do you know what it's called when people ignore scripture in order to do something that would yield a better outcome than if they obeyed scripture? Steadying the ark.

That's the bottom line.

lds4gaymarriage
Salt Lake City, UT

AVOR
First, freedom and agency are not the same thing. To pass and enforce a law does not infringe agency- otherwise agency is infringed when cops ticket people for speeding.

LDS4
The prophets have stated that using laws to impose subjective morality is wrong. I have SEVERAL quotes on this. Laws punishing speeding, murder, robbery, rape, fraud are fine since those acts objectively harm others.

AVOR
Do our anti-drug laws destroy agency? If that were true, no one would be doing drugs.

LDS4
It's not all or nothing. The prophets have condemned attempts to weaken agency.

AVOR
...(T)he living prophets ARE LITERALLY scripture for our time. In the scriptures, it repeats over and over that anyone speaking when moved upon by the Holy Ghost is speaking scripture, the will of God, and so on.

LDS4
FALSE! The prophets state that their words are to be rejected if the violate scripture. They disavow infallibility. Even the revelations of D&C 137 and 138 had to be sustained via Common Consent in order to become scripture and thereby official Church doctrine.

Thinkin\' Man
Rexburg, ID

It needs to become "uncool" to promote or talk positively or casually about pornography. Considering its effects on individuals, relationships, women, families, and financing crime, it definitely should be as uncool as promoting heroin or slavery.

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