@mike richards "There are some posters to whom honesty and
integrity must be words from a foreign language."do you remember
the old saying about when you point the finger at other mike?
Religious bigotry is alive and well on this forum.Mitt Romney lives
a life of honesty, integrity and charity, unmatched by most other
politicians.In order to qualify for a temple recommend, no one is
required to release his tax returns to the public; but, he has to be totally
honest in his dealings with everyone, even if someone offers him an
"unbelievable" deal on a house. He has to tell the truth, even if he
doesn't want the world to know who his closest "associates" are.
He has to be charitable, giving a minimum of 10% of his gross income to be used
by his church to further the purposes of God. 5% for a multimillionaire living
in the White House is a substantial amount, but the Lord requires 10%. He gave
that law in Old Testament times and enhanced it to encourage those who serve him
to give a lot more than that in New Testament times.There is no
religious test to serve in elected office; but those who mock Mitt Romney
because he honors God and lives his religion are religious bigots, not matter
what their views on tax returns may be.
@Mike Richards"...Naysayers, who mock him and mock the church of
which he is a member...".No one is "mocking" Mitt or the
Church.The "mocking" seems to be directed at you.The DN reported when Mitt mocks President Obama, Mitt says he is only being
"humorous".So, it's ok for you and Mitt to be
"humorous", yet not ok for others?
There are some posters to whom honesty and integrity must be words from a
foreign language. Mitt Romney fully understands the questions that
are asked in a temple recommend interview. As a Stake President, he's
probably asked others those questions thousands of times. Furthermore, he knows
the importance of honestly answering those questions.Naysayers, who
mock him and mock the church of which he is a member, take the temple recommend
lightly. He does not. It is not a "badge" that he keeps in his wallet.
It is not a something that he bribed someone to obtain. It is not something
handed over with a "wink and a nod". It is a "recommend" that
tells all who are interested that he has measured himself against the
requirements to serve in the temples of the Lord.The process is
simple. His bishop asks him a few standard questions about his relationship
towards God, his conduct, his morality, his honesty, and how he treats his
family and his charity. The last question usually asked is whether he considers
himself fully worthy to enter the temple.Ask yourself those
questions before you mock him and his answers.
@mike richards I find him to be honest and up right then you tend to
Yes, Mike, because no dishonest person has ever been given a temple
recommend.You constantly refuse to believe anything President Obama
says while you're willing to take Mitt Romney on faith because he gives you
a warm and fuzzy feeling. You're entitled to your opinion, but don't
pretend for an instant that you're being objective here.
@Mike RichardsMike, Mike, Mike,A temple recommend only
means that the person in question has convinced his/her bishop of following
certain rules and behaviors. It doesn't say anything about whether that
person successfully lied or cheated. Not to imply that Romney acted improperly,
but you're saying, basically, that because you have a library card, you
don't keep books beyond their due date or return them without reporting any
stains or damage you may have caused to the pages.
Alfred, that's exactly what happened, the guy in Hawaii made a copy of the
birth certificate and sent it to president Obama. The guy in Hawaii said that is
exactly what he did. But you don't think the copy that has layers is that
original do you? The one you are taking about is the one that you can see
online. How do you think people get documents online? Do you know? They scan
them. That means they run them through a scanner. The scanner can cause the
multiple layers. Come on this is all old stuff and the conspiracy has been
soundly refuted. Read the entire story behind Obama's grandmother allegedly
saying he was born in Kenya. It's not what you portray. Really, dude, do
yourself a favor. Study it. Cause you sure look naive. As far as
college transcripts, can anyone point me to Romney's transcripts? Anyone?
How about Romney's birth certificate? Anyone? Mike, that is the
funniest thing I have heard in a while, Mitt's clean because he has a
temple recommend. Too funny! So you are assuming that his bishop went through
his tax returns. Awesome.
Romney hasn't even released two years of tax returns. He released 2010,
but only the 2011 "estimate".
I can't stop laughing at this suggestion. Romney's tax
returns are indicative of the unfair tax laws and how the super rich game the
system to their advantage.
Don't even start to talk about "full disclosure" about Mr. Obama.
He is a closed book. He lets us know only what he wants us to know. If the
Democrats are so full of indignation about not being allowed to know everything
about a candidate, let them start with Mr. Obama. His "story" should be
infinitely more interesting than the story of Mitt Romney.Obama
wants us to focus on anything EXCEPT his tract record as President. Too many
Democrats have taken his "bait" and become his pawns. They have no idea
what they're doing or how they're being used by someone who uses
everybody for his own purposes.Look at his history. The
"carnage" is legendary. He even threw his own grandmother under the bus
when he saw political advantage in doing so.Mitt Romney obeyed the
laws of the United States and paid all taxes that he owed. How do I know that?
He has a temple recommend. That recommend cannot be purchased for any amount of
money. It certifies that the carrier is honest and upright.Who
"recommends" Obama as being honest and upright?
@mountanmanwhy would I vote for someone that pays half the rate I pay and
thinks he and his rich friend should pay even less? This Democrat will vote for
Mitt when he acknowledges the fact that the middle class not the rich suffer the
most under our current tax plans.
It is really pathetic that a letter like the one Jay Atkinson wrote to the Des
News should appear in the first place. As Mr. Garner ablely
demonstrates neither Mr. Atkinson nor the Des News Editorial staff were doing
their homework. Atkinson may at least have an excuse, the Des News Editorial
staff has none.
@omni scent:"No, we don't know that. I know, you saw the
YouTube video where the guy says it must be fake because of the layers embedded
in the document."Why all the layers? Shouldn't the
hospital clerk merely have pulled the certificate in question from the file,
walked over to the Xerox, placed the original on the glass, closed the lid,
pushed copy, took the result out of the printer, put it in an envelop, put a
stamp on the envelop and put it in the outgoing mail? All this layering thing
makes it even more suspicious."That theory was already
debunked."What of his grandmother's statement of Kenyan
birth? And what about his Kenya birth certificate which says 'Coast
Providential General Hospital, Mombasa, British Protectorate of Kenya?'"Why should Obama release his school records?"Because they will show some embarrassing stuff... like the fact he registered
as a foreign student."You know what Obama should
release?"Yeah, his Occidental College records, Columbia College
records, Columbia thesis paper, Selective Service registration, medical records,
Illinois State Senate records, Law practice client list, to name a few.
I once again read ALL the article and again NOWHERE does it say the things you
claim it says. same with google not one credible site backs up your claims. I
did however notice you continue for the third time refuse to answer the question
posed to you. Does the excursion of participation in the political process
include only green energy companies that receive loans or have contracts with
our government our does this also apply to all businesses and their leaders that
has or has had a loan or contract with our government?
Could the reason Democrats want to see Romney’s tax returns is that most
who voted for Obama do not pay federal income taxes? After all, we know that
nearly 50% of Americans pay no federal income taxes at all! Those who do pay
federal income taxes are much more likely to vote for Romney! Gee, what a
coincidence! Maybe most of you Obama supporters have never seen a tax return?
Pharnc.. Do yourself a favor, google “green energy companies that the
Obama administration gave taxpayer funds to and then those who donated money to
Obama’s campaign” Or, go back to yesterday’s article and read
ALL of it!
If we want full disclosure, how about Obama's college transcript and
thesis? His protectors have sequestered them. Why? Might they tell us who our
president really is and what he thinks? When he makes gaffs, read as The
teleprompter wasn't working, he really did mean "You didn't do
that, the government did." He has been elevated to his level of
Sorry that should read "our" government not "you" government.
@mountainman At least try to to pretend to get your facts right, the
money that was donated to the obama campaign was by the man who reviewed the
loans, (he had nothing to do with the companies themselves). A man that has been
employed by both parties throughout the years and has donated to both parties
through the years. He found no wrong doing by the Administration and was
impressed with they way they conducted business and decided to donate to them.
So I have to ask are you suggesting anyone that has ever had any kind of job
with or contract with you government has lost their right to participate in the
political process because that is going to eliminate a lot of big business.
@Esquire:"... all the rationalizations in the world won't
change the fact that we need full disclosure about a man who wants to lead the
nation. Who and what have had and will have any influence over the man.
It's not that complicated."You got that right... We need
Obama's college and law school transcripts and related papers... Is he a
foreigner? What did he write about in his thesis?We need the Fast
& Furious e-mails and other papers, too. The ones that Congress has
subpoenaed and he and Holder refuse to hand over.All this stuff is
locked up tight. Let's get this guy vetted. We don't need another
four years of secretive and socialist policies.
'We know his furnished birth certificate is bogus."Who's we? I'm not sure if crazy right wing bloggers who don't
believe we really landed on the moon are the most credible sources. "Are you better off now than you were four years ago?"YESSS! Absolutely we are! All of America is. Four years ago our economy was
facing the greatest economic crisis since the The Great Depression. The recovery hasn't been great. But the disaster was long reaching,
powerful, and fell under a Republican President's watch..."The Democrat’s deflection away from Obama’s scandals"Which scandals? Please, explain them IN DETAIL. "Do you
really think the current president will be able to perform any better than he
has now?"The mere fact that you folks are still arguing over his
birth certificate and his tax returns speaks volumes over:A. Your
credibilityB. Your knowledgeC. Your motivesWhen will the
right finally concentrate on helping America rather than making Obama a "one
term President?" Mountain, if you folks really cared about America, then why
would Mitchy boy have meetings w/fellow repubs to block all Obama
administration, even unemployment benefits?
When opening a Swiss (or any foreign) bank account, Americans have to file an
FBAR (foreign bank account report) form with the IRS that discloses the assets.
There's no reason to believe that depositors pay even one cent less in tax
than an American bank.Why would one want a Swiss bank account? The
stability of U.S. financial system has come under question for years even before
the failure of Lehman Brothers, Bear Stearns and over five hundred other
American banks.There's substantial evidence that Swiss banks
are far more stable than U.S. banks. Swiss banks have a capital ratio on
reserve of five times as high as for U.S. banks. Reserve requirements are a
core measure of a bank's financial strength from a regulator's
perspective.Who else has accounts in foreign banks/investments...
er, John Kerry, Nancy Pelosi to name two.Smart people flee from the
American banking system. Dumb people us the unstable American banking system.
It's that simple. Had Mitt Romney put his money in Lehman Brothers bank he
wouldn't have it any longer.
The Democrat’s deflection away from Obama’s scandals by whining
about Romney’s taxes is typical of the left. We recently read that Obama
got massive campaign contributions from “green energy” companies
that he gave taxpayer money to! Classic felony money laundering!
"We know his furnished birth certificate is bogus"No, we
don't know that. I know, you saw the youtube video where the guy says it
must be fake because of the layers embedded in the document. That theory was
already debunked. The handwriting-to-text feature will render seperate layers.
The website Snopes shows this. Also the claim that Kenya wasn't an official
countqry yet also debunked: while it may not have had official nation status
yet, it was still reffered to as Kenya. Like the letter write says, please take
the time to do some research before making such claims.Why should Obama
release his school records? No president ever has, and that would just subject
Obama to claims that it was falsified just like his birth certificate, and the
gullible will believe.You know what Obama should release? Years of tax
returns, which every presidential candidate releases.Oh wait, he already
DN can sure find some unflattering photos of the President.
@ Red Headed Stranger, all the rationalizations in the world won't change
the fact that we need full disclosure about a man who wants to lead the nation.
Who and what have had and will have any influence over the man. It's not
"Atkinson was probably unaware that the president has provided his tax
returns going back to 2000..."Yeah, well, we don't want
Obama's tax returns. He probably didn't even realize Cayman had banks
into which money could be securely placed. Perhaps he used Bear Stearns,
Washington Mutual or approximately 500 other banks that have failed since 2000,
banks that no longer exist. Banks that Mitt brilliantly avoided.What is wanted that Obama refuses to provide is his college/university papers.
What's he hiding? Did he register/attend as a foreigner? If so, why? We
know his furnished birth certificate is bogus.
It's not wonder why so many from the right still believe that Obama is a
Nazy/Communist Muslim born from a different country. This letter proves that
they just aren't listening (to anything other than Fox) and aren't
using less agenda driven and more credible sites like politifact. Obama just like George W, Clinton, and so many other Presidents, released his
tax returns a long time ago.Get informed folks!
Sure redhead, we all forgot about the economy over Mitt's taxes. If Romney and republicans want to contantly cry that they are overtaxed I
don't understand why they are being so shy in showing it.
He already has, like 4 years ago. Next time try a Google search. I
know it's hard for some repubs but trust me, it's easy.
Blue,Much like Mr. Scott Garner in this letter to the editor reminds
Mr. Jay Atkinson that it took him one minute to find what he was looking for, I
recommend that you search the term "john kerry offshore accounts".HOWEVER, let it be known that I'm not against off shore banking
accounts. Whether it be from shrewd, consistent investments over the period of
many years or marrying someone who married someone who inherited a lot of money,
it is after all their money. I find envy distasteful; don't begrudge
people what they've earned. Please illustrate using concrete examples why
off-shore accounts that are not related to drug or mafia money are immoral or
unethical.To me, off shore accounts and tax shelters merely
illustrate that our banking and tax systems are broken. If rich people
aren't paying their fair share, why do rich democrats like Denise Rich give
up their US Citizenship? If we were to encourage wealthy people to bank and do
business in the US rather than, say, Aruba, then we would have more investment
and jobs here. Nah, it is easier to tax'em as much as possible. That
Red Headed Stranger,Mitt Romney is the only presidential candidate
in history to have a Swiss bank account and Cayman Island tax shelters. You
don't find that odd?The last time Romney asked that people
"take his word for it" on tax issues he was shown to be flat-out lying
when the truth about his tax returns was finally released.And now he
says that although his own father, George Romney, released twelve years of tax
returns when he ran for president, he's not going to follow his own
father's example?Come on... face it. It is obvious that Mitt
Romney has realized that if the public saw his tax returns during the past
decade there would be outrage at how the hyper-wealthy have gamed the tax system
to let them pay next to nothing in taxes on their millions in income. Meanwhile, you and I, without benefit of lobbyists, special tax breaks on our
private jets and offshore tax havens, grind along with the rest of the shrinking
middle class.Romney is hiding something important, and he knows
Some are so bent on protecting Mitt they become oblivious to reality. The longer
this goes on the more curious I become.
I had someone say the same thing to me, that the Administration Democrats should
release theirs. Uh, they have. Easily available. Before people take their cheap
shots, they should be better informed, putting it politely.
In reality though, this is all just a planned distraction from the fact that
unemployment is over 8%, and that since Obama became president, every man,
woman, and child in the US owes $15,000 more in debt. So the real two questions
are: Are you better off now than you were four years ago? Do you
really think the current president will be able to perform any better than he
Harry Reid seems so sure with his extra-secret source that Mitt didn't pay
taxes that Mitt should make a deal. Reid gets to pick one year out of the past
ten. If Mitt then releases his forms in say 2005, and if Mitt payed taxes then
Reid resigns.Thanks for pointing me to the website. Now I can see
the difference between Obama's 2004 and 2005 taxes. I guess when Barack
got a promotion to from Illinois legislature to the US Senate, his wife did too!
Congratulation Michelle, you got a pay raise from one year to the next from
$122,000 to $317,000. Barack suddenly went from about 100K to to well over a
million dollars, maybe because of his book. I don't know, I trust a leader
who got rich first and then became a politician, than a politician first and
then got rich.