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  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Aug. 25, 2012 11:24 a.m.

    @mike richards

    "There are some posters to whom honesty and integrity must be words from a foreign language."

    do you remember the old saying about when you point the finger at other mike?

  • J Thompson SPRINGVILLE, UT
    Aug. 25, 2012 10:55 a.m.

    Religious bigotry is alive and well on this forum.

    Mitt Romney lives a life of honesty, integrity and charity, unmatched by most other politicians.

    In order to qualify for a temple recommend, no one is required to release his tax returns to the public; but, he has to be totally honest in his dealings with everyone, even if someone offers him an "unbelievable" deal on a house. He has to tell the truth, even if he doesn't want the world to know who his closest "associates" are. He has to be charitable, giving a minimum of 10% of his gross income to be used by his church to further the purposes of God. 5% for a multimillionaire living in the White House is a substantial amount, but the Lord requires 10%. He gave that law in Old Testament times and enhanced it to encourage those who serve him to give a lot more than that in New Testament times.

    There is no religious test to serve in elected office; but those who mock Mitt Romney because he honors God and lives his religion are religious bigots, not matter what their views on tax returns may be.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    Aug. 25, 2012 10:48 a.m.

    @Mike Richards

    "...Naysayers, who mock him and mock the church of which he is a member...".

    No one is "mocking" Mitt or the Church.

    The "mocking" seems to be directed at you.

    The DN reported when Mitt mocks President Obama, Mitt says he is only being "humorous".

    So, it's ok for you and Mitt to be "humorous", yet not ok for others?

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Aug. 25, 2012 7:22 a.m.

    There are some posters to whom honesty and integrity must be words from a foreign language.

    Mitt Romney fully understands the questions that are asked in a temple recommend interview. As a Stake President, he's probably asked others those questions thousands of times. Furthermore, he knows the importance of honestly answering those questions.

    Naysayers, who mock him and mock the church of which he is a member, take the temple recommend lightly. He does not. It is not a "badge" that he keeps in his wallet. It is not a something that he bribed someone to obtain. It is not something handed over with a "wink and a nod". It is a "recommend" that tells all who are interested that he has measured himself against the requirements to serve in the temples of the Lord.

    The process is simple. His bishop asks him a few standard questions about his relationship towards God, his conduct, his morality, his honesty, and how he treats his family and his charity. The last question usually asked is whether he considers himself fully worthy to enter the temple.

    Ask yourself those questions before you mock him and his answers.

  • Phranc SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Aug. 24, 2012 10:47 p.m.

    @mike richards

    I find him to be honest and up right then you tend to be.

  • KJB1 Eugene, OR
    Aug. 24, 2012 10:35 p.m.

    Yes, Mike, because no dishonest person has ever been given a temple recommend.

    You constantly refuse to believe anything President Obama says while you're willing to take Mitt Romney on faith because he gives you a warm and fuzzy feeling. You're entitled to your opinion, but don't pretend for an instant that you're being objective here.

  • Mad Hatter Provo, UT
    Aug. 24, 2012 10:30 p.m.

    @Mike Richards

    Mike, Mike, Mike,

    A temple recommend only means that the person in question has convinced his/her bishop of following certain rules and behaviors. It doesn't say anything about whether that person successfully lied or cheated. Not to imply that Romney acted improperly, but you're saying, basically, that because you have a library card, you don't keep books beyond their due date or return them without reporting any stains or damage you may have caused to the pages.

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 24, 2012 7:42 p.m.

    Alfred, that's exactly what happened, the guy in Hawaii made a copy of the birth certificate and sent it to president Obama. The guy in Hawaii said that is exactly what he did. But you don't think the copy that has layers is that original do you? The one you are taking about is the one that you can see online. How do you think people get documents online? Do you know? They scan them. That means they run them through a scanner. The scanner can cause the multiple layers. Come on this is all old stuff and the conspiracy has been soundly refuted. Read the entire story behind Obama's grandmother allegedly saying he was born in Kenya. It's not what you portray. Really, dude, do yourself a favor. Study it. Cause you sure look naive.

    As far as college transcripts, can anyone point me to Romney's transcripts? Anyone? How about Romney's birth certificate? Anyone?

    Mike, that is the funniest thing I have heard in a while, Mitt's clean because he has a temple recommend. Too funny! So you are assuming that his bishop went through his tax returns. Awesome.

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 24, 2012 7:40 p.m.

    Romney hasn't even released two years of tax returns. He released 2010, but only the 2011 "estimate".

  • Mad Hatter Provo, UT
    Aug. 24, 2012 6:48 p.m.

    I can't stop laughing at this suggestion.

    Romney's tax returns are indicative of the unfair tax laws and how the super rich game the system to their advantage.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Aug. 24, 2012 6:04 p.m.

    Don't even start to talk about "full disclosure" about Mr. Obama. He is a closed book. He lets us know only what he wants us to know. If the Democrats are so full of indignation about not being allowed to know everything about a candidate, let them start with Mr. Obama. His "story" should be infinitely more interesting than the story of Mitt Romney.

    Obama wants us to focus on anything EXCEPT his tract record as President. Too many Democrats have taken his "bait" and become his pawns. They have no idea what they're doing or how they're being used by someone who uses everybody for his own purposes.

    Look at his history. The "carnage" is legendary. He even threw his own grandmother under the bus when he saw political advantage in doing so.

    Mitt Romney obeyed the laws of the United States and paid all taxes that he owed. How do I know that? He has a temple recommend. That recommend cannot be purchased for any amount of money. It certifies that the carrier is honest and upright.

    Who "recommends" Obama as being honest and upright?

  • George Bronx, NY
    Aug. 24, 2012 3:33 p.m.

    @mountanman
    why would I vote for someone that pays half the rate I pay and thinks he and his rich friend should pay even less? This Democrat will vote for Mitt when he acknowledges the fact that the middle class not the rich suffer the most under our current tax plans.

  • JustGordon Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 24, 2012 3:04 p.m.

    It is really pathetic that a letter like the one Jay Atkinson wrote to the Des News should appear in the first place.

    As Mr. Garner ablely demonstrates neither Mr. Atkinson nor the Des News Editorial staff were doing their homework. Atkinson may at least have an excuse, the Des News Editorial staff has none.

  • Alfred Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 24, 2012 2:10 p.m.

    @omni scent:

    "No, we don't know that. I know, you saw the YouTube video where the guy says it must be fake because of the layers embedded in the document."

    Why all the layers? Shouldn't the hospital clerk merely have pulled the certificate in question from the file, walked over to the Xerox, placed the original on the glass, closed the lid, pushed copy, took the result out of the printer, put it in an envelop, put a stamp on the envelop and put it in the outgoing mail? All this layering thing makes it even more suspicious.

    "That theory was already debunked."

    What of his grandmother's statement of Kenyan birth? And what about his Kenya birth certificate which says 'Coast Providential General Hospital, Mombasa, British Protectorate of Kenya?'

    "Why should Obama release his school records?"

    Because they will show some embarrassing stuff... like the fact he registered as a foreign student.

    "You know what Obama should release?"

    Yeah, his Occidental College records, Columbia College records, Columbia thesis paper, Selective Service registration, medical records, Illinois State Senate records, Law practice client list, to name a few.

  • Phranc SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Aug. 24, 2012 1:08 p.m.

    I once again read ALL the article and again NOWHERE does it say the things you claim it says. same with google not one credible site backs up your claims. I did however notice you continue for the third time refuse to answer the question posed to you. Does the excursion of participation in the political process include only green energy companies that receive loans or have contracts with our government our does this also apply to all businesses and their leaders that has or has had a loan or contract with our government?

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Aug. 24, 2012 12:55 p.m.

    Could the reason Democrats want to see Romney’s tax returns is that most who voted for Obama do not pay federal income taxes? After all, we know that nearly 50% of Americans pay no federal income taxes at all! Those who do pay federal income taxes are much more likely to vote for Romney! Gee, what a coincidence! Maybe most of you Obama supporters have never seen a tax return?

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Aug. 24, 2012 12:28 p.m.

    Pharnc.. Do yourself a favor, google “green energy companies that the Obama administration gave taxpayer funds to and then those who donated money to Obama’s campaign” Or, go back to yesterday’s article and read ALL of it!

  • Hemlock Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 24, 2012 12:12 p.m.

    If we want full disclosure, how about Obama's college transcript and thesis? His protectors have sequestered them. Why? Might they tell us who our president really is and what he thinks? When he makes gaffs, read as The teleprompter wasn't working, he really did mean "You didn't do that, the government did." He has been elevated to his level of incompetence.

  • Phranc SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Aug. 24, 2012 12:11 p.m.

    Sorry that should read "our" government not "you" government.

  • Phranc SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Aug. 24, 2012 11:29 a.m.

    @mountainman

    At least try to to pretend to get your facts right, the money that was donated to the obama campaign was by the man who reviewed the loans, (he had nothing to do with the companies themselves). A man that has been employed by both parties throughout the years and has donated to both parties through the years. He found no wrong doing by the Administration and was impressed with they way they conducted business and decided to donate to them. So I have to ask are you suggesting anyone that has ever had any kind of job with or contract with you government has lost their right to participate in the political process because that is going to eliminate a lot of big business.

  • Alfred Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 24, 2012 11:21 a.m.

    @Esquire:

    "... all the rationalizations in the world won't change the fact that we need full disclosure about a man who wants to lead the nation. Who and what have had and will have any influence over the man. It's not that complicated."

    You got that right... We need Obama's college and law school transcripts and related papers... Is he a foreigner? What did he write about in his thesis?

    We need the Fast & Furious e-mails and other papers, too. The ones that Congress has subpoenaed and he and Holder refuse to hand over.

    All this stuff is locked up tight. Let's get this guy vetted. We don't need another four years of secretive and socialist policies.

  • Henderson Orem, UT
    Aug. 24, 2012 11:08 a.m.

    'We know his furnished birth certificate is bogus."

    Who's we? I'm not sure if crazy right wing bloggers who don't believe we really landed on the moon are the most credible sources.

    "Are you better off now than you were four years ago?"

    YESSS! Absolutely we are! All of America is. Four years ago our economy was facing the greatest economic crisis since the The Great Depression.

    The recovery hasn't been great. But the disaster was long reaching, powerful, and fell under a Republican President's watch...

    "The Democrat’s deflection away from Obama’s scandals"

    Which scandals? Please, explain them IN DETAIL.

    "Do you really think the current president will be able to perform any better than he has now?"

    The mere fact that you folks are still arguing over his birth certificate and his tax returns speaks volumes over:

    A. Your credibility
    B. Your knowledge
    C. Your motives

    When will the right finally concentrate on helping America rather than making Obama a "one term President?" Mountain, if you folks really cared about America, then why would Mitchy boy have meetings w/fellow repubs to block all Obama administration, even unemployment benefits?

  • wrz Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 24, 2012 11:01 a.m.

    When opening a Swiss (or any foreign) bank account, Americans have to file an FBAR (foreign bank account report) form with the IRS that discloses the assets. There's no reason to believe that depositors pay even one cent less in tax than an American bank.

    Why would one want a Swiss bank account? The stability of U.S. financial system has come under question for years even before the failure of Lehman Brothers, Bear Stearns and over five hundred other American banks.

    There's substantial evidence that Swiss banks are far more stable than U.S. banks. Swiss banks have a capital ratio on reserve of five times as high as for U.S. banks. Reserve requirements are a core measure of a bank's financial strength from a regulator's perspective.

    Who else has accounts in foreign banks/investments... er, John Kerry, Nancy Pelosi to name two.

    Smart people flee from the American banking system. Dumb people us the unstable American banking system. It's that simple. Had Mitt Romney put his money in Lehman Brothers bank he wouldn't have it any longer.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Aug. 24, 2012 10:23 a.m.

    The Democrat’s deflection away from Obama’s scandals by whining about Romney’s taxes is typical of the left. We recently read that Obama got massive campaign contributions from “green energy” companies that he gave taxpayer money to! Classic felony money laundering!

  • omni scent taylorsville, UT
    Aug. 24, 2012 10:18 a.m.

    "We know his furnished birth certificate is bogus"
    No, we don't know that. I know, you saw the youtube video where the guy says it must be fake because of the layers embedded in the document. That theory was already debunked. The handwriting-to-text feature will render seperate layers. The website Snopes shows this. Also the claim that Kenya wasn't an official countqry yet also debunked: while it may not have had official nation status yet, it was still reffered to as Kenya. Like the letter write says, please take the time to do some research before making such claims.
    Why should Obama release his school records? No president ever has, and that would just subject Obama to claims that it was falsified just like his birth certificate, and the gullible will believe.
    You know what Obama should release? Years of tax returns, which every presidential candidate releases.
    Oh wait, he already did.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Aug. 24, 2012 9:51 a.m.

    DN can sure find some unflattering photos of the President.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Aug. 24, 2012 9:30 a.m.

    @ Red Headed Stranger, all the rationalizations in the world won't change the fact that we need full disclosure about a man who wants to lead the nation. Who and what have had and will have any influence over the man. It's not that complicated.

  • Alfred Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 24, 2012 9:24 a.m.

    "Atkinson was probably unaware that the president has provided his tax returns going back to 2000..."

    Yeah, well, we don't want Obama's tax returns. He probably didn't even realize Cayman had banks into which money could be securely placed. Perhaps he used Bear Stearns, Washington Mutual or approximately 500 other banks that have failed since 2000, banks that no longer exist. Banks that Mitt brilliantly avoided.

    What is wanted that Obama refuses to provide is his college/university papers. What's he hiding? Did he register/attend as a foreigner? If so, why? We know his furnished birth certificate is bogus.

  • Henderson Orem, UT
    Aug. 24, 2012 9:09 a.m.

    It's not wonder why so many from the right still believe that Obama is a Nazy/Communist Muslim born from a different country. This letter proves that they just aren't listening (to anything other than Fox) and aren't using less agenda driven and more credible sites like politifact.

    Obama just like George W, Clinton, and so many other Presidents, released his tax returns a long time ago.

    Get informed folks!

  • Screwdriver Casa Grande, AZ
    Aug. 24, 2012 8:59 a.m.

    Sure redhead, we all forgot about the economy over Mitt's taxes.

    If Romney and republicans want to contantly cry that they are overtaxed I don't understand why they are being so shy in showing it.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Aug. 24, 2012 8:59 a.m.

    He already has, like 4 years ago.

    Next time try a Google search. I know it's hard for some repubs but trust me, it's easy.

  • Red Headed Stranger Billy Bobs, TX
    Aug. 24, 2012 8:33 a.m.

    Blue,

    Much like Mr. Scott Garner in this letter to the editor reminds Mr. Jay Atkinson that it took him one minute to find what he was looking for, I recommend that you search the term "john kerry offshore accounts".

    HOWEVER, let it be known that I'm not against off shore banking accounts. Whether it be from shrewd, consistent investments over the period of many years or marrying someone who married someone who inherited a lot of money, it is after all their money. I find envy distasteful; don't begrudge people what they've earned. Please illustrate using concrete examples why off-shore accounts that are not related to drug or mafia money are immoral or unethical.

    To me, off shore accounts and tax shelters merely illustrate that our banking and tax systems are broken. If rich people aren't paying their fair share, why do rich democrats like Denise Rich give up their US Citizenship? If we were to encourage wealthy people to bank and do business in the US rather than, say, Aruba, then we would have more investment and jobs here. Nah, it is easier to tax'em as much as possible. That works.

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 24, 2012 8:06 a.m.

    Red Headed Stranger,

    Mitt Romney is the only presidential candidate in history to have a Swiss bank account and Cayman Island tax shelters. You don't find that odd?

    The last time Romney asked that people "take his word for it" on tax issues he was shown to be flat-out lying when the truth about his tax returns was finally released.

    And now he says that although his own father, George Romney, released twelve years of tax returns when he ran for president, he's not going to follow his own father's example?

    Come on... face it. It is obvious that Mitt Romney has realized that if the public saw his tax returns during the past decade there would be outrage at how the hyper-wealthy have gamed the tax system to let them pay next to nothing in taxes on their millions in income.

    Meanwhile, you and I, without benefit of lobbyists, special tax breaks on our private jets and offshore tax havens, grind along with the rest of the shrinking middle class.

    Romney is hiding something important, and he knows it's bad.

  • ugottabkidn Sandy, UT
    Aug. 24, 2012 6:15 a.m.

    Some are so bent on protecting Mitt they become oblivious to reality. The longer this goes on the more curious I become.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Aug. 24, 2012 6:04 a.m.

    I had someone say the same thing to me, that the Administration Democrats should release theirs. Uh, they have. Easily available. Before people take their cheap shots, they should be better informed, putting it politely.

  • Red Headed Stranger Billy Bobs, TX
    Aug. 24, 2012 5:43 a.m.

    In reality though, this is all just a planned distraction from the fact that unemployment is over 8%, and that since Obama became president, every man, woman, and child in the US owes $15,000 more in debt. So the real two questions are:
    Are you better off now than you were four years ago?
    Do you really think the current president will be able to perform any better than he has now?

  • Red Headed Stranger Billy Bobs, TX
    Aug. 24, 2012 5:37 a.m.

    Harry Reid seems so sure with his extra-secret source that Mitt didn't pay taxes that Mitt should make a deal. Reid gets to pick one year out of the past ten. If Mitt then releases his forms in say 2005, and if Mitt payed taxes then Reid resigns.

    Thanks for pointing me to the website. Now I can see the difference between Obama's 2004 and 2005 taxes. I guess when Barack got a promotion to from Illinois legislature to the US Senate, his wife did too! Congratulation Michelle, you got a pay raise from one year to the next from $122,000 to $317,000. Barack suddenly went from about 100K to to well over a million dollars, maybe because of his book. I don't know, I trust a leader who got rich first and then became a politician, than a politician first and then got rich.