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Published: Thursday, Aug. 23 2012 12:10 p.m. MDT

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Baron Scarpia
Logan, UT

So more government programs to facilitate the production and consumption of oil. I'm sure his Koch backers are so proud! I can hear them chanting at the upcoming GOP convention: "Burn, baby, burn!"

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

Romney has deep ties to big oil and raised more than $7 million from industry executives during a campaign fundraiser in Texas earlier this week.

During a Houston fundraiser, Romney told a room of about 125 donors that he planned to unveil his comprehensive energy plan this week. He said his proposal will specifically relate to fossil-based fuels. But then, he said no more.

"I know that we have members of the media here right now, so I’m not going to go through that in great detail," Romney said, according to a pool report from the event."

Mitt's is saying loud and clear to the voters that he's going to be doing backroom deals with industry fat cats that the public will not be privy to. Is this really any surprise? He's not used to working for someone (the people) he's used telling people what to think and do.

UNLV
HENDERSON, NV

Baron, the way I read it, there are no government programs involved. It's just a matter of deregulation, opening more federal land up to oil and natural gas drilling. It's precisely what we need. He's not proposing the government spend any money here, and in fact he suggests ending subsidies for renewable energy projects that have proven to do nothing but waste tax payer money. Sounds like a very intelligent proposal, and I welcome the substance coming out of Romney in this regard.

patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

Finally a candidate that will turn the engine of capitalism back on!!! Keystone pipeline and all the other energy projects will get the green light under Romney which translates to hundreds of thousands of high paying jobs - INDEPENDENT - of the Fed Government!! Also - energy independence with the North Dakota oil shale that will produce a mount Everest size amount of oil for years to come. The thing that liberals don't seem to grasp is the fact that Mitt will also give the green light to so-called green energy development he just won't WASTE billions of tax payer dollars like Obama has on solar panel's and other "not ready for prime time" projects. We can protect the environment AND produce energy - it is not an either / or proposition!! You don't burn one bridge before you have a new bridge like Obama has. Should be common sense but to an armature socialist like Obama nothing is common sense. So for those out of work welders and oil rig workers etc... the Obama nightmare is about to END so hang on a little longer ... the sun is about to rise again in the land of opportunity!!!

Badger55
Nibley, Ut

HVH,
Backroom dealing like Obama to Russia:
"This is my last election. After my election I have more flexibility."

The difference is that Romney knew reporters were present and wanted to reveal his plans on his own time and on his own terms. Obama, on the other hand, was unaware that he was being monitored and spoke to the Russians believing that no one else was listening. He was caught red handed promising the Russians more flexibility after his election. Flexibility on what? No one really knows, but Obama obviously thinks it would not be popular or he would have done it before the election.

patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

re:Baron Scarpia

Who said ANYTHING about government programs Baron??? Not Mitt!! Mitt does things different than your socialist president... he actually believes in PRIVATE industry and he removes the road blocks from GOVERNMENT so that they can work!! You will see an entire new model under Romney / Ryan. This is a capitalist based model that leverages the free market and the genius of the American People !!! Gone will be the days where everything is managed and done by our insanely inefficient Federal Govt.. You provide incentives to private industry and then you get out of their way and let THEM work their magic - it's the story of America!! This is 180 degrees opposite from the Marxist oppressive model of Obama where big brother government hovers over EVERYTHING and manages to totally screw it up!!

mcgilm
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

@UNLV

How exactly is this an intelligent proposal?

Natural gas prices are at the lowest level they've been in years due to an excessive glut of natural gas.

Oil companies already have millions of acres of land for which they already have leases, that they haven't even drilled yet. Oil is also a commodity. Unless you plan on nationalizing oil, or forcing oil drilled in the US and coastal waters to remain in the US, that oil will go on the market and be sold to the highest bidder.

All I can guess is that you must work in the energy industry, because I certainly wouldn't want to think you are that intillectually dishonest, or that uninformed.

Moderate
Salt Lake City, UT

Deceptive headline. America wouldn't be independent. Romney says the U.S. "along with Canada and Mexico" energy independent by 2020.

I wonder if the Candadians know that. With the help of the Republicans, the Canadians hope to carve a wide path through American sovereign soil so that Canadian oil can more easily reach the world market (i.e. Keystone). It sounds like once the oil gets to Houston, Romney would tell Candada "no deal" on selling to the world. "You'll have to sell to us."

The interesting trick in the campaign promise is disconnecting the US, Canada, and Mexico from the World Oil Market. No details from Romney, of course, on how that can happen.

UNLV
HENDERSON, NV

So, because I disagree, I'm intellectually dishonest or uninformed. Classic. I'm going to have to call you out on this argument. You can't say they aren't touching the land they are leasing. They are in fact in the process of exploring and drilling on it. It's just that it takes a long time because of the processes involved, including the bureaucratic process. You can't throw up hurdles for people drilling on the land and then say it's their fault for not developing it. To do so would be either intellectually dishonest or uninformed, to use your own words. I don't really see how putting more oil on the market is a bad thing, or why that would require a government takeover of the industry. It's actually a very simple thing called supply and demand. More of something on the market drives down the price of that thing. And if there is a glut of natural gas on the market, that kind of blows apart your argument that I must work in the energy industry. A glut of natural gas would drive down the price, no?

CHS 85
Sandy, UT

Finally. Someone who will open up lands for drilling so we can sell oil to other countries who will gladly pay more than Americans for it. We can start exporting all of our natural resources to others. That's EXACTLY what we need.

Those who think glutting the market with "locally" drilled oil will drive down prices and make us independent are seriously not schooled in free market economics. We can build all the pipelines to the ports and load the oil directly onto ocean-going tankers. The only ones who will benefit are the oil companies. We as citizens will be left with the pollution, clean-up, and depletion of our natural resources so that Exxon/Mobil can reap massive profits.

LetsDebate
PLEASANT GROVE, UT

"The cornerstone of Romney's plan is opening up more areas for offshore oil drilling, including in the mid-Atlantic, where it is currently banned. He also wants to give states the power to establish all forms of energy production on federal lands…"

"The Obama administration has proposed a plan that would allow energy companies to begin seismic testing to find oil and natural reserves in the Atlantic Ocean. Companies would use the information to determine where to apply for energy leases, although no leases would be available until at least 2017."

One sounds like a plan of action, the other sounds like a plan of waiting.

Time to get the amateurs out of the White House.

UNLV
HENDERSON, NV

Sorry, I'm just not buying the argument that drilling more domestic oil won't drive down prices. It certainly wouldn't hurt. You're assuming that all of that oil will be sold in foreign markets, and that's just not the case. I get the feeling that if this was proposed by Obama, the critics here would be saying that it was a brilliant proposal. Oh well. CHS, please don't accuse us of being unschooled in free market economics. Just because you disagree does not mean we are stupid.

Moderate
Salt Lake City, UT

UNLV is "just not buying the argument that drilling more domestic oil won't drive down prices." You're assuming that all of that oil will be sold in foreign markets, and that's just not the case.

Can you cite examples of US-produced oil NOT sold at prices set by the World Market?

patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

Recall that in 2008 Bush threatening to open up drilling offshore and in private lands and JUST the threat of new drilling drove DOWN the price of oil ... check it out!! Of course drilling will drive costs down - this is simple supply and demand economics. Obama is all about laying down for the crazy extremist environmentalist groups and for the sole purpose of getting their vote. The man will do ANYTHING for a vote.

mcclark
Salt Lake City, UT

This is pure nonsense, it is a global market. There are thousands of leases already in the hands of the oil companies that are not being used. America is a big Exporter of refined oil products because the market here has gotten smaller, so they refine it and ship it overseas where they can get more money. Ditto for the claim the US wont let refineries be built. The oil companies dont build them because they dont need them.

My2Cents
Taylorsville, UT

Romney should leave the energy solutions alone, he's out of his element and only confirming what Obama is saying without the slightest hint of knowing what he is talking about. Obama has proven that energy (oil) independence is not possible for many generations yet to come.

Discounting the use as gasoline, oil is the mainstay of every aspect of life and business in the free world. To shut down oil will shut down everything including oil independent energy, which is impossible as well.

People don't stop to think or see how much life is dependent on oil production and refining from birth to death it runs our lives.

the truth
Holladay, UT

RE: My2Cents

The oil industry has developed and grown for well over a century finding it's resources being used in millions of products that we use everyday, not to mention in creating most all the energy we use (they also provide a lot of jobs).

That's NOT going to change over night,
or because the government waves some magic wand or passes a bill, or spends a lot money it does not have.

Its going to take just as much time to find and develop other sources to replace all that.

In the mean time we do need oil resources and it would much behoove us to be energy independent and not dependent of the rest of the "world".

There is strength in being able to stand on your own two feet.

Independence is a good thing.

Spoc
Ogden, UT

Independent: Not governed by a foreign power; self-governing; free from the influence, guidance, or control of another or others; self-reliant.

Part of the discussion no one seems to be addressing is what it means to be energy independent. For 100 years prior to 1973 (remember the gas shortages and lines!) the average annual price of crude never topped $4 a barrel. Since then oil prices have been dependent on OAPEC policies and objectives. Some on this forum have suggested that the Iraq war was all about protecting that source and yet rail against producing enough to NOT have our economy controlled those who proudly proclaim themselves to be crusaders against The Great Satin (USA). And we're paying them to do it!

Can natural gas be turned into gasoline? Yes and there are several oil companies with pilot plants producing syngas. Our current production of gas doesn't even begin to tap the estimated one million-trillion cubic feet of gas tied up in methane-hydrate! The Air Force is producing jet fuel from coal as a strategic protection from foreign interference in our defense capability.

Lower price is only a side benefit of independence!

Duckhunted
highland, utah

I find it so funny that people that barley can keep up with their monthly payments trust in a man because he's a Morman and your Dad told you we are Republican's!! The Democrats are not much better!! Isn't it time we all vote for the 80 % that would recognize all us middle class!!

peter
Alpine, UT

Good comments by UNLV, Patriot, Spoc, and the Truth that are not based on fear-mongering, rather facts and truth, something a big federal government will never grasp as it spews out rhetoric that only the ignorant, dependent-on-dole class seem to savor. Romney/Ryan will downsize federal government regulations and programs that only enslave the people. What a scary thought, liberals who want big government would actually have to work for a living, which would in turn help their own kind.

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