I'm not entirely convinced that those living on welfare and food stamps are
as concerned about the price for a gallon of gasoline as are those who use the
product every day in order to drive to work in order to support them.Instead of paying foreign countries for their oil why not invest that money
here at home?
We will just have to wait until November to see how the consumers who are paying
nearly $4 a gallon for gasoline think on the subject.Is it really
necessary for the USA to be dependent upon countries in the Middle East for our
Good comments by UNLV, Patriot, Spoc, and the Truth that are not based on
fear-mongering, rather facts and truth, something a big federal government will
never grasp as it spews out rhetoric that only the ignorant, dependent-on-dole
class seem to savor. Romney/Ryan will downsize federal government regulations
and programs that only enslave the people. What a scary thought, liberals who
want big government would actually have to work for a living, which would in
turn help their own kind.
I find it so funny that people that barley can keep up with their monthly
payments trust in a man because he's a Morman and your Dad told you we are
Republican's!! The Democrats are not much better!! Isn't it time we
all vote for the 80 % that would recognize all us middle class!!
Independent: Not governed by a foreign power; self-governing; free from the
influence, guidance, or control of another or others; self-reliant.Part of the discussion no one seems to be addressing is what it means to be
energy independent. For 100 years prior to 1973 (remember the gas shortages and
lines!) the average annual price of crude never topped $4 a barrel. Since then
oil prices have been dependent on OAPEC policies and objectives. Some on this
forum have suggested that the Iraq war was all about protecting that source and
yet rail against producing enough to NOT have our economy controlled those who
proudly proclaim themselves to be crusaders against The Great Satin (USA). And
we're paying them to do it!Can natural gas be turned into
gasoline? Yes and there are several oil companies with pilot plants producing
syngas. Our current production of gas doesn't even begin to tap the
estimated one million-trillion cubic feet of gas tied up in methane-hydrate! The
Air Force is producing jet fuel from coal as a strategic protection from foreign
interference in our defense capability.Lower price is only a side
benefit of independence!
RE: My2CentsThe oil industry has developed and grown for well over
a century finding it's resources being used in millions of products that
we use everyday, not to mention in creating most all the energy we use (they
also provide a lot of jobs).That's NOT going to change over
night, or because the government waves some magic wand or passes a bill,
or spends a lot money it does not have.Its going to take just as
much time to find and develop other sources to replace all that.In
the mean time we do need oil resources and it would much behoove us to be
energy independent and not dependent of the rest of the "world".There is strength in being able to stand on your own two feet.Independence is a good thing.
Romney should leave the energy solutions alone, he's out of his element and
only confirming what Obama is saying without the slightest hint of knowing what
he is talking about. Obama has proven that energy (oil) independence is not
possible for many generations yet to come. Discounting the use as
gasoline, oil is the mainstay of every aspect of life and business in the free
world. To shut down oil will shut down everything including oil independent
energy, which is impossible as well.People don't stop to think
or see how much life is dependent on oil production and refining from birth to
death it runs our lives.
This is pure nonsense, it is a global market. There are thousands of leases
already in the hands of the oil companies that are not being used. America is a
big Exporter of refined oil products because the market here has gotten smaller,
so they refine it and ship it overseas where they can get more money. Ditto for
the claim the US wont let refineries be built. The oil companies dont build them
because they dont need them.
Recall that in 2008 Bush threatening to open up drilling offshore and in private
lands and JUST the threat of new drilling drove DOWN the price of oil ... check
it out!! Of course drilling will drive costs down - this is simple supply and
demand economics. Obama is all about laying down for the crazy extremist
environmentalist groups and for the sole purpose of getting their vote. The man
will do ANYTHING for a vote.
UNLV is "just not buying the argument that drilling more domestic oil
won't drive down prices." You're assuming that all of that oil
will be sold in foreign markets, and that's just not the case.Can you cite examples of US-produced oil NOT sold at prices set by the World
Sorry, I'm just not buying the argument that drilling more domestic oil
won't drive down prices. It certainly wouldn't hurt. You're
assuming that all of that oil will be sold in foreign markets, and that's
just not the case. I get the feeling that if this was proposed by Obama, the
critics here would be saying that it was a brilliant proposal. Oh well. CHS,
please don't accuse us of being unschooled in free market economics. Just
because you disagree does not mean we are stupid.
"The cornerstone of Romney's plan is opening up more areas for offshore
oil drilling, including in the mid-Atlantic, where it is currently banned. He
also wants to give states the power to establish all forms of energy production
on federal lands…""The Obama administration has
proposed a plan that would allow energy companies to begin seismic testing to
find oil and natural reserves in the Atlantic Ocean. Companies would use the
information to determine where to apply for energy leases, although no leases
would be available until at least 2017."One sounds like a plan
of action, the other sounds like a plan of waiting.Time to get the
amateurs out of the White House.
Finally. Someone who will open up lands for drilling so we can sell oil to
other countries who will gladly pay more than Americans for it. We can start
exporting all of our natural resources to others. That's EXACTLY what we
need. Those who think glutting the market with "locally"
drilled oil will drive down prices and make us independent are seriously not
schooled in free market economics. We can build all the pipelines to the ports
and load the oil directly onto ocean-going tankers. The only ones who will
benefit are the oil companies. We as citizens will be left with the pollution,
clean-up, and depletion of our natural resources so that Exxon/Mobil can reap
So, because I disagree, I'm intellectually dishonest or uninformed.
Classic. I'm going to have to call you out on this argument. You can't
say they aren't touching the land they are leasing. They are in fact in the
process of exploring and drilling on it. It's just that it takes a long
time because of the processes involved, including the bureaucratic process. You
can't throw up hurdles for people drilling on the land and then say
it's their fault for not developing it. To do so would be either
intellectually dishonest or uninformed, to use your own words. I don't
really see how putting more oil on the market is a bad thing, or why that would
require a government takeover of the industry. It's actually a very simple
thing called supply and demand. More of something on the market drives down the
price of that thing. And if there is a glut of natural gas on the market, that
kind of blows apart your argument that I must work in the energy industry. A
glut of natural gas would drive down the price, no?
Deceptive headline. America wouldn't be independent. Romney says the U.S.
"along with Canada and Mexico" energy independent by 2020.I
wonder if the Candadians know that. With the help of the Republicans, the
Canadians hope to carve a wide path through American sovereign soil so that
Canadian oil can more easily reach the world market (i.e. Keystone). It sounds
like once the oil gets to Houston, Romney would tell Candada "no deal"
on selling to the world. "You'll have to sell to us."The interesting trick in the campaign promise is disconnecting the US, Canada,
and Mexico from the World Oil Market. No details from Romney, of course, on how
that can happen.
@UNLVHow exactly is this an intelligent proposal?Natural
gas prices are at the lowest level they've been in years due to an
excessive glut of natural gas.Oil companies already have millions of
acres of land for which they already have leases, that they haven't even
drilled yet. Oil is also a commodity. Unless you plan on nationalizing oil, or
forcing oil drilled in the US and coastal waters to remain in the US, that oil
will go on the market and be sold to the highest bidder.All I can
guess is that you must work in the energy industry, because I certainly
wouldn't want to think you are that intillectually dishonest, or that
re:Baron ScarpiaWho said ANYTHING about government programs Baron???
Not Mitt!! Mitt does things different than your socialist president... he
actually believes in PRIVATE industry and he removes the road blocks from
GOVERNMENT so that they can work!! You will see an entire new model under Romney
/ Ryan. This is a capitalist based model that leverages the free market and the
genius of the American People !!! Gone will be the days where everything is
managed and done by our insanely inefficient Federal Govt.. You provide
incentives to private industry and then you get out of their way and let THEM
work their magic - it's the story of America!! This is 180 degrees opposite
from the Marxist oppressive model of Obama where big brother government hovers
over EVERYTHING and manages to totally screw it up!!
HVH,Backroom dealing like Obama to Russia:"This is my last
election. After my election I have more flexibility."The
difference is that Romney knew reporters were present and wanted to reveal his
plans on his own time and on his own terms. Obama, on the other hand, was
unaware that he was being monitored and spoke to the Russians believing that no
one else was listening. He was caught red handed promising the Russians more
flexibility after his election. Flexibility on what? No one really knows, but
Obama obviously thinks it would not be popular or he would have done it before
Finally a candidate that will turn the engine of capitalism back on!!! Keystone
pipeline and all the other energy projects will get the green light under Romney
which translates to hundreds of thousands of high paying jobs - INDEPENDENT - of
the Fed Government!! Also - energy independence with the North Dakota oil shale
that will produce a mount Everest size amount of oil for years to come. The
thing that liberals don't seem to grasp is the fact that Mitt will also
give the green light to so-called green energy development he just won't
WASTE billions of tax payer dollars like Obama has on solar panel's and
other "not ready for prime time" projects. We can protect the
environment AND produce energy - it is not an either / or proposition!! You
don't burn one bridge before you have a new bridge like Obama has. Should
be common sense but to an armature socialist like Obama nothing is common sense.
So for those out of work welders and oil rig workers etc... the Obama nightmare
is about to END so hang on a little longer ... the sun is about to rise again in
the land of opportunity!!!
Baron, the way I read it, there are no government programs involved. It's
just a matter of deregulation, opening more federal land up to oil and natural
gas drilling. It's precisely what we need. He's not proposing the
government spend any money here, and in fact he suggests ending subsidies for
renewable energy projects that have proven to do nothing but waste tax payer
money. Sounds like a very intelligent proposal, and I welcome the substance
coming out of Romney in this regard.
Romney has deep ties to big oil and raised more than $7 million from industry
executives during a campaign fundraiser in Texas earlier this week.During a Houston fundraiser, Romney told a room of about 125 donors that he
planned to unveil his comprehensive energy plan this week. He said his proposal
will specifically relate to fossil-based fuels. But then, he said no more."I know that we have members of the media here right now, so
I’m not going to go through that in great detail," Romney said,
according to a pool report from the event."Mitt's is saying
loud and clear to the voters that he's going to be doing backroom deals
with industry fat cats that the public will not be privy to. Is this really any
surprise? He's not used to working for someone (the people) he's used
telling people what to think and do.
So more government programs to facilitate the production and consumption of oil.
I'm sure his Koch backers are so proud! I can hear them chanting at the
upcoming GOP convention: "Burn, baby, burn!"