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  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 24, 2012 6:36 p.m.

    @mid
    Utah does have a stronger case for 2008, but bottom-line, the AP national champion was chosen in 2008 in exactly the same way it was chosen in 1984, and Utah finished a distant 2nd.

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    Wrong. In 2008 AP #1 and #2 played each other so one of them was going to be the next national champion regardless any other game.

    In 1984 AP #1 played a 6-5 MI team while #2 OU played #4 Washington.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 24, 2012 2:00 p.m.

    @nosaerfoecioveht

    If you can do it after the bowls are over. pittsburgh couldn't do that.

  • nosaerfoecioveht NSL, UT
    Aug. 24, 2012 12:36 p.m.

    @Sports Fan

    "... was a better team than Pittsburgh(8-4), which finished the season ranked #25 in only one poll."

    I thought that finishing the season ranked #25 in only one poll was the ultimate sign of national football dominance.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    Aug. 24, 2012 10:03 a.m.

    Uteology

    Nice spin, but Utah didn't beat a single ranked team during the regular season, in fact, the Utes didn't beat a single regular season opponent that had fewer than five losses.

    Air Force(8-4), which BYU 1984 beat on the road, was a better team than Pittsburgh(8-4), which finished the season ranked #25 in only one poll.

    Feel free to check the dates of week 15 and week 16; you proved the point that Pittsburgh WAS NOT RANKED in the Top 25 until the end of the regular season.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 24, 2012 8:25 a.m.

    @azute1

    Yet BYU was still crowned champion by every single major organization, including the organizations that did not even give utah any consideration in either of their undefeated seasons. Sounds like BYU was simply more impressive to a lot more voters. I know that hurts but it is a FACT and it is in the history books and always will be.

    LOL!

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Aug. 24, 2012 12:41 a.m.

    Per the discourse here--

    Texas Christian, Boise State, and Utah have been tearing it up over the last decade....BYU '84 differs from those other teams in another way too: they did not play a single ranked opponent. The only so-called "national champion" that didn't (though Oklahoma came very close in 1956).

    BYU's 1984 opponents went 61-85-3, placing their schedule 96th amongst 98 division 1A schools. And yet their performance was as weak as their schedule. They won five games by a touchdown or less, from a 20-14 win at 3-7-1 Pitt in their opener to a 24-17 win against 6-6 Michigan in the Holiday Bowl-- by far the worst bowl opponent ever faced by a so-called "national champion." How bad was Michigan? They finished 6th in the Big Ten, and the Big Ten was a horrid 12-15 against nonconference opponents and 1-5 in bowl games. The only conference in the country that was as bad as the Big 10 was the WAC itself.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Aug. 24, 2012 12:37 a.m.

    Motorbike

    Following up on your 'done deal' comment about DirectTV.

    Pacific Takes...

    "However, it (PAC 12 Network) has yet to really achieve the most important success: National distribution. Cable carriers that made the original carriage agreement with the conference are seemingly shutting the doors on the Pac-12 Network outside current Pac-12 markets. If there isn't latent demand for the network, the cable carriers have pretty much tuned out airing the network. So fans out of market could struggle to find any way to view the conference on TV or online (which is tethered to television service)."

    DirectTV is your only hope for any national distribution and right now there's no ink on the dotted line. There is no 'done deal'. It might be imminent in a week, a month, a year but it's T-minus 7 days and counting.

    AND at the end of the day what a mighty BCS conference of 12 schools put together pales in comparison to what BYU did as a little church school in a little tiny conference and an independent football team.

    Big question is this, are there any Ute fans outside of the market? Didn't think so.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 23, 2012 11:16 p.m.

    @midpacmajor

    And your bcs opponent, Pittsburgh...

    UNRANKED throughout the entire season until the end of the season when the bcs establishment panicked and suddenly ranked the Panthers when they realized how embarrassing it was going to be to invite an unranked team to their little party.

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    You've already been called out on this. I understand as a BYU you refuse to accept facts; but your statement is absolutely wrong.

    There was no BCS conspiracy, Pitt did not just "suddenly" get ranked. According to the AP poll they were receiving votes since week 10.

    AP Rankings:

    Week 10: #30 beat #21 Boston College (9-3)
    Week 11: #27 beat Rutgers
    Week 13: #26 lost @Syracuse
    Week 14: #28 won @ND
    Week 15: #19 beat West Virgina
    Week 16: #19 beat South Florida

    Unlike your 84 team they actually beat a final ranked team.

  • Elmer Fudd Sandy, Utah
    Aug. 23, 2012 5:37 p.m.

    @ CordonBleu

    "'Hardly ever' is simply an anomaly created by Crowton".

    So Crowton is the man to blame for Bronco's 4 losses against the Utes? Come on CordonBleu! No more excuses! That's all byu fans do is Y'ne, complain, and make excuses when their team loses and not give credit where credit is due. Admit it! Utah has the better football program in the last 10 years. Look no further than the head to head match ups.

    "In the last HALF CENTURY, BYU leads the series 29-21. In the last 6 years, the series is tied 3-3".

    Why are you going back a half century? Why not since Utah and BYU started playing football against each other in 1922 or 1896 (if we count the BYA years)? Typical Y fan and their selective stats to make their program look better in the rivalry than what it really is. 55-34-4 is all we need to remember about this rivalry! WE OWN U!!!

  • mountainflying OGDEN, UT
    Aug. 23, 2012 4:31 p.m.

    Byu has a powerhouse defense. They held the Utes to just 54 points last year in Provo!

  • Utes Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 23, 2012 12:56 p.m.

    Remember, Utah has not had the recruiting advantage in the past as Alabama, USC, etc. Therefore, the number making it to the NFL is astounding. Utah's defensive backs have been ultra-impressive. The ability to turn talent into greatness is second to none at UTah.

  • utah_man18 SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Aug. 23, 2012 10:06 a.m.

    Wait, isn't this article about the Ute secondary? I think byu was only mentioned with regard to Chappuis' interception. I guess this was bound to happen with the rivalry game being put on hold--cougs have to rely on the "glory days" more than ever before.

    As far as the secondary is concerned, I too am very optimistic. If any secondary can come close to hanging with USC's receivers, it's ours.

    Go UTES!

  • CordonBleu Park City, UT
    Aug. 23, 2012 9:40 a.m.

    Jenny83

    "Deductive Reasoning. Wow - I'm sorry that your team hardly ever beats the Utes - Only 30% of the time in the last decade. I'm also sorry that the Utes have had 2 perfect seasons in the last 8 years."

    "Hardly ever" is simply an anomaly created by Crowton. In the last HALF CENTURY, BYU leads the series 29-21. In the last 6 years, the series is tied 3-3.

  • artinnature Payson, UT
    Aug. 23, 2012 9:31 a.m.

    I don't know where "deductive reasoning" is coming from. Maybe it's an eastern seaboard thing. He is almost as obnoxious as Chris B and Naval Vet are at tweaking the opposition. "Deductive" elicited a slew of comments here that only served to feed his ego. Utah fans need to learn to ignore "deductive" types just like BYU fans are learning (slowly) to ignore Chris B and Naval Vet. Utah and BYU both have good programs and have had equally good success.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 23, 2012 9:31 a.m.

    Utahute72

    "Why are we even rehashing this BYU did what they did under the rules at the time and got a split National Championship out of it (3 other teams got National championships awarded by various organizations)."

    Sorry to burst your jealous, delusional crimson bubble, but BYU was THE CONSENSUS NATIONAL CHAMPION for 1984 -- all FIVE MAJOR selecting organizations awarded the 1984 National Championship to BYU, including the AP and Coaches.

    A couple of minor organizations awarding their champion to somebody else doesn't in any way detract from the team selected by the major organizations.

  • midpacmajor Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 23, 2012 9:23 a.m.

    gdog3finally

    "In 2004, Utah beat 4 teams from 4 different BCS conferences handily. They blew out Texas A&M, Arizona, North Carolina, and Pittsburgh."

    The Utes beat four MEDIOCRE teams from bcs conferences, only ONE of which even had a winning record.

    Face it, Utah fans failed miserably in proving that Utah 2004 "deserved" to be invited to a bcs game.

    And your bcs opponent, Pittsburgh...

    UNRANKED throughout the entire season until the end of the season when the bcs establishment panicked and suddenly ranked the Panthers when they realized how embarrassing it was going to be to invite an unranked team to their little party.

    Pittsburgh finished in a FOUR-WAY TIE for 1st in a 7-team league, only one game ahead of the FIFTH place team.

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    Utah does have a stronger case for 2008, but bottom-line, the AP national champion was chosen in 2008 in exactly the same way it was chosen in 1984, and Utah finished a distant 2nd.

    Of course, it's always interesting to see Utah fans citing their #4 and #2 AP finishes, when the Utes only finished #5 and #4 in the official bcs poll, the Coaches poll.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 23, 2012 7:43 a.m.

    Hes right. byu is national champs every year. Only the refs make them loose every time. And we beat ourselfs.

  • JustGordon Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 23, 2012 4:26 a.m.

    Those who write about the Y winning the most disputed National Championship of all time in 1984 and argue that it was effectively "compensation" for all the other great Y seasons previously, must also invest in the stock market based on the assumption that previous performance will effect present or future performance.

    Given that yard stick, when the last Holy War game is played at the RES in September, the Y should be on the end of an even worse lose than last year's 54 -10 embarrassment.

  • Vladhagen Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 22, 2012 10:58 p.m.

    The Utes are by far and large the better team in every aspect. They have a better couch, a better QB, a better conferunce, and a better schedule. Duh. Last years pummaling at LES shows how much more mature and good the team is, this is called deductive reasoning. Beside, this is an article about the Utes, not the 84 cougars, so why even bring up on the comment. Even a well respecting BYU fan has got to fill stupid about bringing that into it. The Utes future is sure as sure. we will beat USC and we will go to the rose bowl and that will be that. mark my word.

  • Utahute72 Tooele, UT
    Aug. 22, 2012 10:39 p.m.

    Why are we even rehashing this BYU did what they did under the rules at the time and got a split National Championship out of it (3 other teams got National championships awarded by various organizations). Utah did what they did under the current rules, soon to expire, and got votes for a National Championship by various organizations. Everything will change in a couple of years when the new rules go into effect. BYU was then, Utah is now, and I like Utah's chances to be the future more than BYU's.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 22, 2012 9:16 p.m.

    Bottom line ... BYU was responsible for the creation of the BCS ... Utah is responsible for getting the country to get rid of it and start restructuring how the number 1 team is determined.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Aug. 22, 2012 8:57 p.m.

    @deductive reasoning

    Your arguments are actually inductive. Your mind was made up before you put out your subjective stat records.

    In 2004, Utah beat 4 teams from 4 different BCS conferences handily. They blew out Texas A & M, Arizona, North Carolina, and Pittsburgh. That team was legit. There were no close games the entire season. The closest game was a 14 point win over Air Force, a game in which Utah trailed by 14 in the first quarter.

    Utah's 2008 team had some close (lucky wins), but that was the case for BYU in 1984 as well. The Alabama win was the obvious exclamation point here.

    As for 1984, BYU saw Kyle Morrell's great play against Hawaii. That game was epic, but Hawaii was weak, just like Utah's dud of a win over New Mexico (13-10). These comparisons are desperate and lame though. Still Utah beating Alabama in the Sugar Bowl is a better win than BYU beating a 6-6 Michigan team in the Holiday Bowl.

    Look 1984 is something to be proud of, but it's a little off in yonder years at this point. The National Championship was attainable 30 years ago.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 22, 2012 7:27 p.m.

    With the depth we have on defense we will be great as always. I just hope we can keep the offense healthy.

    @selective reasoning

    Since 2008 Boise has gone 50-3 playing tougher SOS schedule then BYU's 24 straight wins, yet not once Boise been ranked in the top 4.

    So the real reasons BYU won in 84 is...

    A) SOS didn't matter
    B) Teams in top 5 kept on losing
    C) They beat all 13 cupcakes

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Aug. 22, 2012 7:12 p.m.

    deductive reasoning,

    I think we can agree that neither 2004 Utah or 1984 BYU had a very good SOS. Both schools beat 4 teams with winning records.

    2008 Utah is a different story. The Utes' wins over 4 ranked teams (Alabama, TCU, Oregon State, BYU) is a much more impressive body of work than 84 BYU who's signature win was either 8-4 Air Force or 6-6 Michigan (you pick).

    Having said that, I believe BYU did earn their National Championship based on the rules of the pre BCS era. Take nothing away from the Cougs. I've been honest with you.... now can you be honest and admit that 2008 was a much more impressive body of work than 1984?

    Can you identify a school who won an NC with an SOS as weak as 1984 BYU? That's not a dig, I'm just wondering if there was precedence for a weak SOS NC team prior to 1984? Because I can tell you this much, since 84 the NC teams have all played much tougher schedules than BYU's.

  • nosaerfoecioveht NSL, UT
    Aug. 22, 2012 7:03 p.m.

    @poorreasoning

    I'm not sure which is more funny: you replying to nobody, on the wrong comment thread, or your chest beating about BYU's pathetically easy National Shampionship* schedule in '84 because some of the bad teams they played had winning records against even worse teams. They beat 0 ranked teams. Zero. That shampionship came after barely beating a team that had 6 losses. It's nice that BYU was voted number one in a system that didn't place any weight on the quality of your opponents. But it's not as nice to know that system was completely changed as a result of fans realizing that a team had just been awarded a national shampionship without even proving they were capable of beating any team that ranked among the top 20.

    It's always an accomplishment to go undefeated. But BYU has never won a National Championship game. And they have NEVER accomplished anything on the field that's close to what Utah was able to do in 2008.

    But keep chuggin that blue kool-aid.

  • Jenny83 OGDEN, UT
    Aug. 22, 2012 6:05 p.m.

    Deductive Reasoning. Wow - I'm sorry that your team hardly ever beats the Utes - Only 30% of the time in the last decade. I'm also sorry that the Utes have had 2 perfect seasons in the last 8 years. By the sounds of your post it must be frustrating for you.

  • Dnquixote Las Vegas, NV
    Aug. 22, 2012 6:03 p.m.

    Deserved? How about winning both of their BCS bowl games? Were those good teams? Pitt - the Big East Champs 8-3, ranked #21. Alabama 12-1, ranked #4..

    Who did play for the NC? Michigan, with a record of 6-5!!! I mean 6-5!!!!???? It was not even a NC match up. Just their last game. Please.

    Utah was superior in every conceivable way both years they went undefeated.

    Why even bring it up. Nobody outside of Provo would ever even consider it a question.

  • mountainflying OGDEN, UT
    Aug. 22, 2012 5:58 p.m.

    Deductive Reasoning - In the last 8 years Utah has had 2 PERFECT seasons and BYU has had 0. Also, for some reason BYU could only beat the Utes 3 times in the last 10 years. Beat your chest if you want to, but there is no reason for it.

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    Aug. 22, 2012 5:36 p.m.

    Bottom line, you both failed miserably to produce a single opponent that proved that Utah deserved to be a bcs buster in 2004.

    BYU 1984 beat four regular season opponents with winning records, including TWO four-loss teams on the road.

    Tulsa(6-5)
    at Hawaii(7-4)
    at Air Force(8-4)
    at Utah(6-5-1)

    Utah 2004 only beat three regular season opponents with winning records, NONE of them with less than FIVE losses.

    Texas A&M(7-5)
    at New Mexico(7-5)
    at Wyoming(7-5)

    If you want to know the real reason BYU won the 1984 National Championship, and Utah 2004 and 2008 never even came close, check BYU's record from 1979 to 1984, then compare that to Utah's record from 1999 to 2004 and from 2003 to 2008.

    Call us the next time U finish a season on a 24-game winning streak, with back-to-back Top 7 finishes, and a string of legitimate Heisman Trophy contenders.