JMB: "True, this will elevate the potential for people to hear about the
Church and with good people interviewed others will see the spirit and light
that are within those people as they tell about their experiences of life with
the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and members. "What you are referencing are the GOOD WORKS of the Mormon religion. There are
millions of men in this country who are fantastic fathers and husbands and jump
in whenever someone needshelp...and they do not have to be of HIS faith.
Mitt is not special in this regard.Therefore it has nothing to do with
presidential qualifications or lifting himself aboveObama. There were
NO Mormon moments at the RNC...the world knows no more aboutMormon
teachings now than they did before. They know the LDS are "nice" and
usuallyfriendly if you do not live in Utah and have high standards. Just
like those in theChristian faith. And of course, there are drastic
exceptions in both.His incredible dishonesty in this campaign would
be embarrassing and distasteful if Iwere LDS. Is this dishonesty also
an LDS trait?
LValfreCHICAGO, IL"I don't agree that any non-member
can request help though as reported ... I've only seen non-members who were
attending church and talking to missionaries get church assistance. In other
words .. potential converts but not required to convert."FYI - I
filled a priesthood assignment for 5 hours on Saturday in the Bishop's
Storehouse in Carrolton, TX, filling orders for folks who came in for help. In
those 5 hours, about 40 families were helped. About 10 of those had no
affiliation with the Church, other than a good LDS neighbor who saw them
suffering and arranged to help.The fact that you don't see it
does not mean it isn't happening.
Only saw the last half, but as a journalist, felt it as balanced overall. You
must remember these programs are not think pieces, but fodder for entertainment.
Found myself saying, "Ah, pshaw" a few times at the constant referencing
of the "seldom seen" or "secret inner workings" of the Church
Welfare Program. How long has LDS.org been up for media questions? The Church of
Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has always been happy to accommodate any news
agency wanting to take cameras for a spin on their little warehouse
four-wheelers.I was overjoyed to see an openly gay, celibate man
called as a Bishop. That is more than most Christian religions can condone, and
I'm thrilled to see progress of any kind in an area of such Catch 22
proportions. As far as Mitt goes, I hope they pointed out that not
all Mormons will vote for him, just as Catholics are now divided with
Biden/Ryan. Politics, for most of my Democratic relatives, at any rate, are
thicker than religion.
Now that I've seen the NBC program, my chief reaction is, how could they
not have understood how offensive it would be for them to actually show temple
garments? Huntsman's daughter, to her credit, did tell Brian Williams that
it would be.
NBC had to get its digs in and slam the message throughout an otherwise
informative, positive message. Harry Smith did a great interview and stayed
with the LDS theme overall. His comments were favorable. The
negatives in it were just that, the Broadway show mentioned was a very
controversial issue when it first came out and the Church was very gracious
about it at the time. However it had NO place in the report. It draws
attention something that does not portray the LDS view.
It is apparent that Abby Huntsman has never been through an LDS Temple. She was
uncomfortable answering questions about the temple and temple garments.Yet, NBC used her as the temple and temple garment source for the report?Why not ask Steve Young or another NFL/NBA player about the garments and
locker rooms? Why choose someone that doesn't have an experience?
@very concerned"In my experience, many former members will only
tell part of the story, the part that favors them."In my
experience, current members will only tell part of the story, the part that
favors them.This piece covered some of the negative and some of the
positive of the church. I think it left it with a very positive image with the
vast welfare coverage. It was balanced in my opinion and I tend to think of the
church negatively these days. I believe some of you are being overly
sensitive.I don't agree that any non-member can request help
though as reported ... I've only seen non-members who were attending church
and talking to missionaries get church assistance. In other words .. potential
converts but not required to convert.
I think parts the coverage in the program were mediocre as far describing church
beliefs. Some parts were excellent and accurate, such as the interviews and
profiles of the active LDS couple/family and the piece on the welfare program.
I disagree with the interviewing of several former members as experts, who told
their story of why they left the church, insinuating the church had done them
wrong. In my experience, many former members will only tell part of the story,
the part that favors them.For instance, Ms. Huntsman described a
conversation with her bishop regarding her non-member boyfriend. We only hear
one side of the story, and for good reason. Remember that a bishop is - by very
nature of his calling - supposed to keep these conversations private. What
church member (of any church) would want a church leader to publicly divulge
private information given in a private setting. In other words, the *rest of
the story* will never be told. The bishop will likely - and fairly - take it to
the grave, while the person is free to tell it any way he/she feels like it.
1. "Mormons are exceptional businessmen" - Okay, so we have some members
who have risen to high levels in corporations. This is just an unfounded
stereotype. 2. They spend quite a bit of time on two gay men, a
feminist Mormon mom, and they interviewed the ex-Mormon Huntsman daughter who
can’t handle counsel from a bishop as an expert on what the temple is all
about. Yes, she looked great on camera, but having not been through the temple,
she's your expert? If a journalist's job is to present an accurate
picture of things, why in the world would you do this? I suspect it follows a
pattern of modern journalism that tends to focus more on the sensational or
scandalous.3. Brian Williams was portraying the church as
"secretive". Huh? An army of missionaries and yet we're trying to
be secretive? All I can say is that if you don't know what the Mormons
believe, it isn't from their lack of trying to let you know. It's
because you haven't taken the time or had the interest to find out.4. Showing the garments on national TV was in very poor taste.
NBC hasn't changed their process for publishing information about the
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. They use "don't go to the
source" and use some good things and negative aspects so they can say they
are representative journalists. However, they know what they are doing by
presenting some of the information with a definite bias or known bias from prior
While some of this was done with respect I have to take issue to NBC using Abby
Huntsman as the 'spokes person' on the sacred matters of the temple
and temple garments. Poor journalism as expected.
We can take a lesson from how the Church responded to the Book of Mormon
musical.Although it does not paint Mormons in much of a favorable light, the
official statements were along the line of: If you enjoyed the musical, you
should check out the source material.Those that take offense when
none was intended are fools. Those that take offense when offense was intended
are also fools. Why? Because they allow unfriendly people to dictate how they
think and feel.
There seems to be a large number of commenters here who believe that only Fox
News produces fair and balanced news. They remind me of the BYU sports fans who
scream because some newspaper columnist wrote a critical piece about their team.
For a group that accepts "Judge not that ye be not judged" as a
doctrine, a lot of people have already decided to condemn NBC for a program they
haven't seen yet. I realize that Mormon paranoia dates back to
the exodus from Missouri in the 1830s, but that was 175 years ago, give or take
a couple of years. It's a much different world now. I have lived in various
states and European countries (the latter as missionary, student and business
person) and have only rarely received negative from people because I am a member
of the Church, other than occasional disagreement on doctrine. In other words,
while we are not to be of the world, we don't have to feel that people in
the world are always out to get us - all the more so if they are journalists.
@Lifelong Republican"Sounds interesting yet I am wondering why
they always feel the need to interview a "feminist" and an "openly
gay" member."For the same reason they're covering an
interracial couple. It's to show people who view the church as racist,
non-diverse, homophobic, or patriarchal that it's not necessarily like
that. It seems like they're trying to be pretty candid with today's
Mormon church to its audience.Why DNews denied this comment so many
times is beyond me.
@Uncle Charles,Fortunately, your opinion of Joanna Brooks
doesn't matter. She cares about the Church as much as anybody. Just because
she may not be an "orthodox" Mormon does not make her any less of one.
Unlike "Liberate" and others, not only am I interested in what is
planned for "Rock Center" I really wish they had called me up and asked
for my opinions and experiences. I could have addressed the feminist
concerns not because I am a feminist or even female, but because I have been the
less equal party in many gospel relationships with both men and women as the
more powerful. I could have addressed church history because my
family has been both in and out of the church since 1831 including stints in
Church Ward and Stake leadership positions. We came west with the first parties
of the migration. We participated in Ohio, Missouri, and Illinois before coming
west. We helped in settling many towns some of which have since disappeared and
others of which are now large cities. I could have addressed the
current family experience in church membership with family members, including
myself, who have had times inside and outside church membership and activity. I
think they really messed up when they failed to call on me.
The clips from this documentary are making it seem like it's not going to
be as much of a hit piece as I thought it would, but still, I don't trust
NBC News. Certainly, the ignorance and the hatred to be found in the comments on
the article don't give me much reason to be optimistic about it. After all,
all major news networks do is play to whatever audience they're targeting.
I meant, ABC did a show on Utah, not CBS. Sorry.
Harry Smith was awesome at CBS. I hope that NBC has not corrupted him yet down
to their vicious level.By the way, those criticizing CBS, they did
an hour on "What Would You Do?" in Utah and were very positive. Check
I completely agree with the comments questioning why there always has to be a
feminist and a homosexual in stories regarding the LDS church. I've read
Brooks' website and in my opinion she's not active LDS. She has an axe
to grind and wants to be the thorn in the side with her philosophies of men ---
oops, women.I actually don't plan on watching it at all since
the storyline is of no interest to me. NBC clearly has an agenda and I'm
stunned that they don't have any of their PMSNBC personalities involved;
Matthews in particular.For those wanting to know why the press
always goes to Mr. Jetblue on things Mormon it's the same reason the Dnews
and SLLib go to Jowers. Neither of these men have a corner on things Mormon and
political in the case of Jowers. They are both establishment people with their
From the article: "Joanna Brooks...questions whether women can truly be
equal if they can't hold positions of power in the church".Joanna; I don't trust religious leaders seeking "positions of
power."The fact that women in the LDS Church can participate in
the highest ordinances of the temple without being ordained, in a sense,
redeeming the dead, without holding the Priesthood, puts women at least in
equality with the men if not more.Further more, all positions of
power in the LDS Church are done by being "set apart" under the
direction of the Priesthood, by the laying on of hands. Women are "set
apart" by the Priesthood and called to serve, male primary teachers report
to a female presidency through the Priesthood, for example. So, the difference
Joanna seeks are the "Keys of the Priesthood" which are not given to all
men either.To those unfamiliar with the LDS Church may find it
fascinating to see women give prayers and discourses to congregations and
teaching seminary without ordination. Joanna, tell the story as if your audience
is not LDS and you will find how liberating the world will see the LDS Church.
HolladayUteHolladay, UTNeelemen must have a full time Public
Relations person out there. He gets more press coverage than Chavez of
Venezuela. (He's also about as honest as Chavez). Can't we
Mormon's get a better person to represent us?Oh. You mean,
like, Joanna Brooks?
Not looking for a fair piece. Brian Williams, NBC, all in Obama's pocket.
Haven't seen objective political journalism from NBC for a long, long,
While there may still be deficiencies in the Rock Center reporting (we'll
see) I'm still betting that this will be a more thorough and compelling
look at the Church than the recent BusinessWeek story was. I hope that NBC can,
even if they air some of the baggage items, end the show with an upbeat and
encouraging view of the Church. And no matter what the show does and how it
impacts perceptions of the Church by the general public the final litmus test is
how people view the individual members of the Church. I look forward to
Neelemen must have a full time Public Relations person out there. He gets more
press coverage than Chavez of Venezuela. (He's also about as honest as
Chavez). Can't we Mormon's get a better person to represent us?
Ute FanI agree with you. And if neither side it
completely happy, it will probably have been a fair depiction.
@JoeBlow"And many will focus on the negative parts and slam it
as unfair."--------I am sure there will be critics who
will focus on the positive parts and slam it as unfair.
We must remember that ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, and PBS were all cheerleaders for
Barack Obama in 2008. They might be trying to be a little more even-handed in
their reporting for this election.
I wish it was 30 Rock rather than Rock Center. Just sayin . . .
You have to remember that NBC and MSNBC are related and MSNBC is not very
positive toward the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. The Rock
Center may have some good aspects in how they interviewed people, but how they
put it into the forum of good journalism will be up for display. In this very
political year, no matter how a candidate may spell out the words and meaning,
the media including the rest of the media and campaigns will twist what the
person really had to say. That is one reason Governor Romney is not going to
have 10 years more of tax records out there. His current two available years
are there and people want more. True, this will elevate the
potential for people to hear about the Church and with good people interviewed
others will see the spirit and light that are within those people as they tell
about their experiences of life with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day
Saints and members. Truth is in the pudding and hopefully those
that watch this episode of Rock Center before the conventions will have an open
heart and mind for the truth.
From the article: "Joanna Brooks...questions whether women can truly be
equal if they can't hold positions of power in the church".So Relief Society, Young Women's, Primary are not positions of power? The
Priesthood is not the only power in the Church - the most important and
strongest power is faith in Jesus Christ. Yes, no woman in the church has the
Priesthood or Priesthood keys but many men in "positions of power" have
no keys (e.g., the Seventy or High Priest Group Leaders or members of the High
Councils or councilors in presidencies).And women not being truly
equal? Why is it that men have to be given the priesthood to do anything in the
church (e.g., hold a calling, go to the temple, etc.) when women can serve in
the church without holding the priesthood? It seems that men have to be given
the Priesthood in order to be raised up and roughly equal with women. This all
begs the question about equality as a doctrine and goal. In the scriptures
it's clear that the Lord's definition of equality is not the same as
If you are expecting that this hour long show will concentrate only on the LDS
approved topics you may be in for a shock.Just like with most
religions, the LDS have some baggage in their closet.A balanced show
should certainly give a complete picture, warts and all.And, just
because you dont like something, does not make it false.My
prediction is that it will be an overall positive piece.And many
will focus on the negative parts and slam it as unfair.I guess we
As a practicing Mormon, I'm getting tired of all the coverage. I'd
prefer to do my thing in anonymity without a bunch of people watching over my
At the end of the day this is NBC news we are talking about. What is their
agenda? Who is the force behind this decision? There is nothing about this focus
story that should encourage anyone. I realize this is an extremely skeptical
view laden with a couple of hundred pounds of mistrust but look at who they will
be talking to. NBC has already determined their destination and they are working
backwards. Be skeptical and watch for the proverbial other shoe, the one most
people will not be looking for. I have a hunch this news story will not do the
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints any justice and it will not do
anything for Mr. Romney.
@very concerned"Why single out Mitt and his beliefs?"Because a lot of people have a lot of misconceptions about Mormons.
Considering all that has happened in the past 180 years, this is actually a very
interesting time in American and Church History. No religion in America has
ever had an extermination order issued against it by a U.S. Governor. Also, the
LDS church has a unique history in the fact it left the nation in a mass exodus
only to be reunited and have a membership that is highly patriotic. I'd
like to see more on this angle because it is sort of a 'coming full
Religion. Americas' growth industry.
Some think that Mitt's religion will affect his presidential policies and
attitudes. Since when has the NOT been the case. Every president's
background has affected his policies. Why single out Mitt and his beliefs. I
think he has demonstrated that he will be a qualified president whether LDS or
not. Everything about President Obama's background likely
affects his policies to a greater or lesser extent. That is true of all
Sounds interesting yet I am wondering why they always feel the need to interview
a "feminist" and an "openly gay" member. That is fine and all,
I just wonder why they always feel the need to have an angle like that on their
stories. I am looking forward to the show and hope they do a nice job.
Harry Smith and Kate Snow are both responsible balanced journalists. I remember
listening to Harry Smith when he was a DJ on KHOW in Denver early in his career,
on A&E's Biography, then on the History Channel. A real professional.