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Published: Monday, Aug. 20 2012 1:37 p.m. MDT

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JWB
Kaysville, UT

As many are hearing and making judgements about people that belong to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, it is interesting to see the reactions of people around the United States make judgements about a Church and a man that belongs to that Church. Some appear to be judgements carte blanche that all or some members do one thing or another without looking at the big picture of life and what it is that members actually believe. This is where mixing politics and religion in the light of politics is probably not the best process. Political campaigning and bringing religion into the process such as with President Kennedy brings in a realm of internal and biased opinions about a religion and the people that belong to that religion. It has been 53 years since that was a big issue and over the time people have become more polarized in their thoughts and actions about religion in a country that is about religious freedom. People have agency to believe what they want in this country but some sources want to make it so other people can't do that in a world that is against good beliefs/practices

JoeCapitalist2
Orem, UT

To all those who think that Mitt Romney's 13% paid in federal income taxes (because of capital gains tax) is too low and that he "pays a smaller percentage on his taxes than almost any other American citizen", please pay attention to the published tax rates available on any IRS or CPA website.

I hear all day how he pays less than most "middle-income" Americans. Give me a break. Sure, he pays a much lower rate because his income is not "salary" but let's not let the facts get in the way of a good story...

First, nearly half of all Americans pay ZERO income tax after their deductions and tax credits. Last I checked, we don't have that many "poor" people in this country so a lot of them are middle income.

Secondly, you have to make about $100,000 a year before you cross the 13% effective tax rate after standard deductions (forget about charitable contributions or home mortgage deductions). I don't think that "most Americans" make that much.

Central Texan
Buda, TX

Some out there are in too much of a froth to be able to see straight.

yarrldarb mentions Romney's "accusations" against Obama. Please be specific. Do they compare with the Obama team's accusations that Romney is either a felon or liar for stating he left Bain to run the Olympics? Does it compare with the accusation that Romney had paid no taxes for 10 years? Does it compare to the Obama PAC ad that links Romney to the death of a woman from cancer?

yarrlydarb bashes Romney for his "condemning words" of Obama's "personal (not political) beliefs." Please be specific. Does it compare to Joe Biden's assertion that the Romney / Ryan team wants to but black people "back in chains"? Does it compare to Obama's assertion that Romney is "unfit" for the Presidency?

yarrlydarb complains that Romney "denies his previous record." Please be specific. Does it compare to Obama's denial of his economic record over the past 3 years? Does it compare with Obama's entire campaign strategy that does not talk about his record but instead talks about how we should fear the Republicans?

BYUalum
South Jordan, UT

I think these posts should be taken down by the DN. The rhetoric has gotten uncivil.

Good grief!

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@TXBYUFAN
"The only reason democrats want Mitt to release his returns is so they can demonize the fact that he makes money and pays on capital gains."

Nope. You see if Mitt had nothing in those returns other than paying 13+% every year (as Romney asserts) then he'd have released them because there's nothing new and he could get rid of the questions about his returns. No, there's something worse, something far worse. I have no idea what it is, and I'm sure it's legal, whatever it is, but there is something in 2008 or 2009 that Romney does not want shown and the Obama team knows it which is why they sent team Romney the "release 3 more years and we won't bug you about releasing any further years" letter.

Peter R
Provo, UT

Every election, we hear about how the mud-slinging is worse than the last. Consider the following quote:

"we are not always sure that those who advocate the truth are influenced by purer principles than their antagonists. Ambition, avarice, personal animosity, party opposition, and many other motives not more laudable than these, are apt to operate as well upon those who support as those who oppose the right side of a question. Were there not even these inducements to moderation, nothing could be more ill-judged than that intolerant spirit which has, at all times, characterized political parties. For in politics, as in religion, it is equally absurd to aim at making proselytes by fire and sword. Heresies in either can rarely be cured by persecution.

And yet, however just these sentiments will be allowed to be, we have already sufficient indications that it will happen in this as in all former cases of great national discussion. A torrent of angry and malignant passions will be let loose."

That was written by Alexander Hamilton in 1787.

TXBYUFAN
Spring, TX

@at1134

You are making my point. You say he has done "something worse, much worse." Yet you say you are sure it was legal. If it is legal, how is it bad? Just because he had legitimate, legal deductions does not make it bad. Is it immoral to pay no more than what you legally owe in taxes?

Obama wants to distract. He wants people to think Romney has done something illegal. If I'm not mistaken, that is the j on of the IRS. If Romney has filed illegal tax returns or taken illegal deductions, they'd go after him.

You sat Obama must know what he died. How would he know? As president, he is not privy to the tax returns of private citizens. If anyone gave him the returns, they broke privacy laws. If Obama accepted the, he is guilty as well.

The ONLY reason Obama wants tax returns is to distort and detract. Regardless of what percentage or total amount Romney paid on his taxes, as long as it was legal, has nothing to do with this election.

I take every tax deduction available to me every year. Does that make what I've done bad?

Central Texan
Buda, TX

Yes, the whole tax thing is just to sidetrack into other issues.

Obama has made a centerpiece of his campaign the dividing of America by stoking class envy. He has run up huge deficits, then comes before us saying the rich are not paying their "fair share".

Obama spokespersons such as Robert Gibbs claim that Romney's tax returns are necessary because the country needs to get into a discussion of the whole tax system. But of course, Romney's returns are not needed for such a discussion. Just talk to people familiar with tax law: lawyers, CPA's, legislators, IRS tax experts. They can tell you where simplification can be made. They can study Warren Buffett's returns as well.

As it is, if Romney had done anything illegal that is one thing, but otherwise, drop it. It's funny how the Obama camp is still trying to portray Romney as having something to hide when Obama has never made details of his college days available (for example, how he got into Occidental, Columbia, and Harvard after admitting his high school days were wasted in a haze of pot smoke).

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

We need to choose a politician with a moral backbone, not an opportunist who will say anything to gain power. Votin' Obama.

yarrlydarb
Ogden, UT

Yes, TXBYUFAN, let's take the capital gains tas. Now there's a tax rate near and dear to every millionaire's heart.

A tax created by millionaire politicians that all millionaire's love.

While all those who cannot afford to invest in properties pay a higher tax rate for the minimum wages they earn.

What's not to love about lower tax laws for those who have, and higher tax rates for those who have not? (property, that is).

You may argue that presidential candidate Mitt deserves to keep all his 85% gains because he "earned" it. Yes, he inherited a sizable portion of it from his daddy.

Hail, hail to "the American way!" Those who have get more and those who have not get less.

TXBYUFAN
Spring, TX

@yarrlydarb

Why should the Capital Gains tax be higher than 15%? How much is enough? Everyone who earns a Capital Gain gets the same 15% tax rate.

As for Romney inheriting his dad's money: Who cares if he inherited money? What does that have to do with anything? Did you know his dad died in 1998 - after Mitt had already become wealthy on his own? The money Mitt did inherit was donated to BYU. It didn't help him make his millions.

In 2010 he gave $2.9 million or 14 percent of his income to charity. Granted, a good portion of that probably went to the LDS church, but that is still a large percentage of income to give away.

This is simply class warfare. It helps nobody.

Gr8Dane
Tremonton, UT

Rock Center slick smear job on Mormon church, and by not so subtle allusion, Mitt Romney just in perfect timing for the GOP National Convention.

While there were a few positive elements such as family oriented, hard working and volunteer service, they made sure that they threw in enough questions about temple garments (classic Brian Williams... asking whether he could ask to see someone's garments they were wearing! I shouted at the TV, well Brian, show us your tighty-whites first!).

They would never do this sort of piece on Muslims, and certainly didn't do one about Joe Lieberman's Jewish faith (hey, Joe doesn't turn on light switches on the Sabbath... for real!)....

Rock Center's agenda was clear... hit all of the hot buttons... Polygamy, garments, baptisms for the dead, conformity, racisism, sexism... but they did it all with a smile.

And spend a full 12 minutes of the airtime with the Jon Huntsman daughter who left the church and somehow is a credible spokesperson for the church with the media?

Expect more hit pieces to intensify in the next 60 days. And don't expect anything about Jeremiah Wright.

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