Rock Center slick smear job on Mormon church, and by not so subtle allusion,
Mitt Romney just in perfect timing for the GOP National Convention.While there were a few positive elements such as family oriented, hard working
and volunteer service, they made sure that they threw in enough questions about
temple garments (classic Brian Williams... asking whether he could ask to see
someone's garments they were wearing! I shouted at the TV, well Brian,
show us your tighty-whites first!). They would never do this sort
of piece on Muslims, and certainly didn't do one about Joe Lieberman's
Jewish faith (hey, Joe doesn't turn on light switches on the Sabbath... for
real!)....Rock Center's agenda was clear... hit all of the hot
buttons... Polygamy, garments, baptisms for the dead, conformity, racisism,
sexism... but they did it all with a smile.And spend a full 12
minutes of the airtime with the Jon Huntsman daughter who left the church and
somehow is a credible spokesperson for the church with the media?Expect more hit pieces to intensify in the next 60 days. And don't
expect anything about Jeremiah Wright.
@yarrlydarbWhy should the Capital Gains tax be higher than 15%? How
much is enough? Everyone who earns a Capital Gain gets the same 15% tax rate.
As for Romney inheriting his dad's money: Who cares if he
inherited money? What does that have to do with anything? Did you know his dad
died in 1998 - after Mitt had already become wealthy on his own? The money Mitt
did inherit was donated to BYU. It didn't help him make his millions. In 2010 he gave $2.9 million or 14 percent of his income to charity.
Granted, a good portion of that probably went to the LDS church, but that is
still a large percentage of income to give away. This is simply
class warfare. It helps nobody.
Yes, TXBYUFAN, let's take the capital gains tas. Now there's a tax
rate near and dear to every millionaire's heart.A tax created
by millionaire politicians that all millionaire's love.While
all those who cannot afford to invest in properties pay a higher tax rate for
the minimum wages they earn. What's not to love about lower tax
laws for those who have, and higher tax rates for those who have not? (property,
that is).You may argue that presidential candidate Mitt deserves to
keep all his 85% gains because he "earned" it. Yes, he inherited a
sizable portion of it from his daddy.Hail, hail to "the American
way!" Those who have get more and those who have not get less.
We need to choose a politician with a moral backbone, not an opportunist who
will say anything to gain power. Votin' Obama.
Yes, the whole tax thing is just to sidetrack into other issues.Obama has made a centerpiece of his campaign the dividing of America by
stoking class envy. He has run up huge deficits, then comes before us saying
the rich are not paying their "fair share".Obama
spokespersons such as Robert Gibbs claim that Romney's tax returns are
necessary because the country needs to get into a discussion of the whole tax
system. But of course, Romney's returns are not needed for such a
discussion. Just talk to people familiar with tax law: lawyers, CPA's,
legislators, IRS tax experts. They can tell you where simplification can be
made. They can study Warren Buffett's returns as well.As it
is, if Romney had done anything illegal that is one thing, but otherwise, drop
it. It's funny how the Obama camp is still trying to portray Romney as
having something to hide when Obama has never made details of his college days
available (for example, how he got into Occidental, Columbia, and Harvard after
admitting his high school days were wasted in a haze of pot smoke).
@at1134You are making my point. You say he has done "something
worse, much worse." Yet you say you are sure it was legal. If it is legal,
how is it bad? Just because he had legitimate, legal deductions does not make it
bad. Is it immoral to pay no more than what you legally owe in taxes?Obama wants to distract. He wants people to think Romney has done something
illegal. If I'm not mistaken, that is the j on of the IRS. If Romney has
filed illegal tax returns or taken illegal deductions, they'd go after
him.You sat Obama must know what he died. How would he know? As
president, he is not privy to the tax returns of private citizens. If anyone
gave him the returns, they broke privacy laws. If Obama accepted the, he is
guilty as well.The ONLY reason Obama wants tax returns is to distort
and detract. Regardless of what percentage or total amount Romney paid on his
taxes, as long as it was legal, has nothing to do with this election. I take every tax deduction available to me every year. Does that make what
I've done bad?
Every election, we hear about how the mud-slinging is worse than the last.
Consider the following quote:"we are not always sure that those
who advocate the truth are influenced by purer principles than their
antagonists. Ambition, avarice, personal animosity, party opposition, and many
other motives not more laudable than these, are apt to operate as well upon
those who support as those who oppose the right side of a question. Were there
not even these inducements to moderation, nothing could be more ill-judged than
that intolerant spirit which has, at all times, characterized political parties.
For in politics, as in religion, it is equally absurd to aim at making
proselytes by fire and sword. Heresies in either can rarely be cured by
persecution.And yet, however just these sentiments will be allowed
to be, we have already sufficient indications that it will happen in this as in
all former cases of great national discussion. A torrent of angry and malignant
passions will be let loose."That was written by Alexander
Hamilton in 1787.
@TXBYUFAN"The only reason democrats want Mitt to release his returns
is so they can demonize the fact that he makes money and pays on capital
gains."Nope. You see if Mitt had nothing in those returns other
than paying 13+% every year (as Romney asserts) then he'd have released
them because there's nothing new and he could get rid of the questions
about his returns. No, there's something worse, something far worse. I have
no idea what it is, and I'm sure it's legal, whatever it is, but there
is something in 2008 or 2009 that Romney does not want shown and the Obama team
knows it which is why they sent team Romney the "release 3 more years and we
won't bug you about releasing any further years" letter.
I think these posts should be taken down by the DN. The rhetoric has gotten
Some out there are in too much of a froth to be able to see straight.yarrldarb mentions Romney's "accusations" against Obama. Please
be specific. Do they compare with the Obama team's accusations that Romney
is either a felon or liar for stating he left Bain to run the Olympics? Does it
compare with the accusation that Romney had paid no taxes for 10 years? Does it
compare to the Obama PAC ad that links Romney to the death of a woman from
cancer?yarrlydarb bashes Romney for his "condemning words"
of Obama's "personal (not political) beliefs." Please be specific.
Does it compare to Joe Biden's assertion that the Romney / Ryan team wants
to but black people "back in chains"? Does it compare to Obama's
assertion that Romney is "unfit" for the Presidency?yarrlydarb complains that Romney "denies his previous record." Please
be specific. Does it compare to Obama's denial of his economic record over
the past 3 years? Does it compare with Obama's entire campaign strategy
that does not talk about his record but instead talks about how we should fear
To all those who think that Mitt Romney's 13% paid in federal income taxes
(because of capital gains tax) is too low and that he "pays a smaller
percentage on his taxes than almost any other American citizen", please pay
attention to the published tax rates available on any IRS or CPA website.I hear all day how he pays less than most "middle-income"
Americans. Give me a break. Sure, he pays a much lower rate because his income
is not "salary" but let's not let the facts get in the way of a
good story...First, nearly half of all Americans pay ZERO income tax
after their deductions and tax credits. Last I checked, we don't have that
many "poor" people in this country so a lot of them are middle
income.Secondly, you have to make about $100,000 a year before you
cross the 13% effective tax rate after standard deductions (forget about
charitable contributions or home mortgage deductions). I don't think that
"most Americans" make that much.
As many are hearing and making judgements about people that belong to the Church
of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, it is interesting to see the reactions of
people around the United States make judgements about a Church and a man that
belongs to that Church. Some appear to be judgements carte blanche that all or
some members do one thing or another without looking at the big picture of life
and what it is that members actually believe. This is where mixing politics and
religion in the light of politics is probably not the best process. Political
campaigning and bringing religion into the process such as with President
Kennedy brings in a realm of internal and biased opinions about a religion and
the people that belong to that religion. It has been 53 years since that was a
big issue and over the time people have become more polarized in their thoughts
and actions about religion in a country that is about religious freedom. People
have agency to believe what they want in this country but some sources want to
make it so other people can't do that in a world that is against good
You know, I really hate politics for all the reasons you guys describe in each
of your comments above. Stop judging Mitt Romney, the Mormon. It is not our
place to judge anyone. Nor do I judge President Obama. I too see the political
ads and each election year the ads get worse. When the ads come on, exercise
your right of freedome of speech and turn the channel! Study the candidates then
choose the person you feel will best do the job as Commander and Chief of the
armed forces and the person who will be selecting any Supreme Court Justices
over the next 4 years. I go to church with CEO's,
CFO's, farmers, ranchers, businessmen, accountants, stay-at-home
mom's, police officers, Fire fighters, those with money and those living in
poverty. When we walk through the doors of the chapel, the hats go off and we
become Brothers and Sisters in the Gospel.
I would recommend that everyone see "2016-Obama" at movie theaters right
now. Especially citizens who voted for Obama in 2008. It is an important
documentary by Dinesh D'Souza who was born in India the same year as BHO
and came to America the same year as he did also. He journeys into the heart of
the man who is President and who no one really knows. A real eye opener. This
election November 6th is the most important one in the history of our country.
It behooves us to know if Obama's dreams are our dreams for the United
States of America.
By putting his religion out there it will help people draw a clearer conclusion
between two men who want to lead the country. Then its up to the people to
decide whether to choose one with some moral backbone or an opportunist
politician who will say anything to gain the power. Maybe in the future the
media might also look into the actual policies of each candidate rather than
just mouthing the sound bites of the candidate speeches?
Let's see, Mitt Romney hasn't taken a salary since when? His income is
derived from capital gains. The capital gains tax is 15% is it not? If Mitt is
paying 13% effective tax rate, he's not taking much in deductions.The only reason democrats want Mitt to release his returns is so they can
demonize the fact that he makes money and pays on capital gains. Those who pay
no taxes will be upset that Mitt doesn't pay his fair share. I suppose they
feel they need him to pay more in taxes so they can benefit more.
Sorry A1994,You err; how much you err you do not know. I hear
Mitt's rhetoric, I hear his denials, I hear his accusations and condemning
words of his political opponent--not his opponent's program or his agenda
to improve the nation and it's people--but his personal and not even his
political beliefs. Mitt, on the other hand, presents no plan, denies his
previous record, refuses to disclose his tax returns and says only that he pays
a whopping thirteen per cent tax. He pays a smaller percentage on his taxes than
almost any other American citizen.No, A1994, I strongly believe and
suggest that it is you who knows nothing about your presidential candidate than
To see the reality of the beliefs of a member of the LDS Church, follow a senior
couple serving a welfare services mission in one of the many poorest of the
poor nations in the world. They serve because of a commitment to the belief
that we are all children of a kind and loving Father In Heaven. They help the
lame to become mobile with the donations of wheelchairs, the hungry to be
provided food, medical training and equipment to save newborn babies, medical
surgery missions to restore eyesight and clean water made available by the
drilling of wells. Funds are donated by the 14 million members worldwide who
often sacrifice the expense of their own meals and other necessities to give to
the humanitarian department of the church. The couples serve at their own
expense paying for their living quarters, their food and their transportation.
They spend from six months to two years away from families and those beloved
grand children. They truly represent the meaning of Christian goodness by a
totally unselfish expression of compassion. That is what LDS Christianity is
I suspect that what ever Romney does, it will be the wrong thing. If he
doesn't discuss his religion, it will be because he is hiding something.
If he does try to explain his background by virtue of his beliefs, then he is
dragging religion into the political scene. So all we can really
say is this: The perfect candidate won't be on the ballot again this year.
Then again, they never are - because one way or another, the available
candidates seem to somehow be an overall fair representation of the populace at
It is interesting to read the condemnations from 'members of the church in
good standing' about a man they have only met through the filter of the
television media. In your condemnation of Mitt and his money, maybe
you ought to go watch a few of Barack's speeches and see if the commandment
'Thou shalt not covet' is violated more than a time or two. Maybe you
could ask Harry Reid about bearing false witness the next time someone
'calls on the phone' and he makes a wild, unfounded accusation. Romney was a Bishop and Stake President. Either you believe those
callings are inspired or you don't. You may disagree on issues and
that's fine. But before you form a self appointed judgement bar for
Romney, consider where you are getting your information about him from.
It's true that in name, Mitt Romney and I belong to the same church, but
I'll guarantee we don't hold the same religious beliefs.I
suggest you read Luke six especially from verse twenty-eight to the end of the
chapter. Then listen to Mitt's political speeches. You'll be amazed at
how different the two discourses are; i.e. Jesus's admonition to love your
neighbor and Mitt's rhetoric to love your money.
When you see that Vice President Biden donates a couple hundred dollars each of
the past couple of years, even with his small salary and compensation from the
people of the United States, it is like comparing apples and oranges with
Governor Romney. You have to take the whole picture of the situation, not a
microscopic view of Biden. His mouth is spewing out gobbledegook in order to
keep people talking about the small stuff and not VP Biden's personal
finances, taxes, etc. The Press always skews their views in non-journalistic
behavior and gets away with it from the other media critics. They are only
positive about anything the DNC or present White House pushes to them to quote,
state, etc. as the gospel of Obama. His change and hope in 2008 has dwindled
and is now unbelievable he ever got away without saying much about real
accomplishments he wanted to make in our world. He gets the Nobel Peace prize
in his first week as President which lowered the value of that award for anyone
else that gets it. You give an award for performance and his Senatorial time
was not a performance except on the stage.
Re: "OH PUHLEEZE! Mitt Romney is the absolute worse [sic]
'representative' for Mormons ever to be a politicians [sic]!"Hey -- maybe we ought to pay more attention to this post than its
diction and grammar would ordinarily merit -- liberal Mormons know a fair bit
about being our "worse" representatives.
ModerateBob - thebig1 - Instereo - wear2manyhatzThou ahypocrite,
first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to
cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.
While I don't want a "Pastor/Bishop-In-Chief" as POTUS, I do want
someone whose belief system, whatever it is, informs their daily life and
decisions. I don't want my faith to be the law of the land, or anyone
else's, either, but I do want to know that I and everyone else's
faith--or choice to follow some other moral guideline--will be respected. When I
say I want his beliefs to inform his daily life and decisions, I mean that I
would know that, although I may disagree with his policies, that those policies
are going to be the same. If he has a change of heart, he will, as President
Obama stated on gay marriage, that he has changed his opinion on the matter and
now feels differently. I admire someone who can do that. I may still not agree,
but at least I know what he thinks. Is that too much to ask?
Anxious to see God's influential opinion on this in November.
Some of the core beliefs of the Church do not seem to be honored during his run
for the presidency. Such as being honest in his dealings with his fellow man.
Or being humble and not boastful. Treating others with respect and kindness.
One could go on and on.Some may say one can not be in politics and
display good christian principles. Some may say that his oponents have not
demonstrated good christian principles. That is probably true, but is no
excuse.I think hrying now to act the good christian may come back to
How pathetic that anyone is making a big deal out of who Mitt Romney is with
when he goes to church. Did ever occur to anyone that even people with money
can be down to earth and kind and considerate human beings. That is far more
important than trying to find fault with any and every little Mitt Romney
Yea, it is kind of funny Moderatebob because it appears that even at church he
doesn't hang out with "normal" people but only with other rich and
famous people. I think I would have rather had him with the "normal"
bishop of the ward or better yet just a home teacher who was talking to him.
His role as a Bishop and Stake President should be touted. Those are not easy
jobs and it takes a very level-headed person to fill those rolls. Hopefully
more light is shed on this part of his life.
ya Moderatebob that is hilarious
That's funny, the caption on the photo fails to note that he is walking
with J. Willard Marriott Jr.