Comments about ‘Utah Utes football: Jordan Wynn rolling with the punches’

Kam.

You're correct. And I believe that on the field was 54-10

Uteanymous,

Please tell me you have your "During the Bronco/Kyle era" comparison saved. I'd hate to think that you recreate it every time. Copy - paste is much more efficient.

Here are a few you missed:

Record against teams who are currently in BCS conferences:
Bronco 15-19 (0.441)
Kyle 21-15 (0.583)

Record against teams who were ranked in season's final poll:
Bronco 2-12 (0.167)
Kyle 5-10 (0.333)

Undefeated seasons:
Bronco - 0
Kyle - 1

Top 5 finishes:
Bronco - 0
Kyle - 1

I wouldn't say there is a "vast disparity" between the programs, but Utah is currently better.

Uteanymous....

All that typing and you forgot to mention the National Championship of 1984!

Go Cougies! Beat Pocatello University in November with New Mexico A&M and San Jose College...

And no posting that Doman and Nelson gets shipped off to UVU when they lose to some unknown team...OK?

@pocyute

And I believe that in the poll's it was BYU ranked, utah unranked. It was also BYU 10-3, utah 8-5. I also believe that it was colorado 17, utah 14. But I don't see you proclaiming colorado the better team. If head to head is all that matters thn why is that result completely ignored when making such comparisons?

Duck

You're right

Colorado is 47 points better than BYU

My, we get one article on the Utes, and all of the usual (BYU) suspects have to chime in.
You'd think a 54-10 drubbing would be at least a little humbling for you. The rest of the college world has no idea what Utah fans have to deal with, with you guys.

@jarka-rus
"And what do you call CU, Montana High, Zona, UCLA, Wazzoo, ASU(lost their last 5 games) the only ranked team the Utesies played?"

Teams that contributed to Utah's SOS ranking of 49 as compared to BYU's 90. At least Montana State finished the Big Sky in second place with a record of 10-3, unlike Idaho State's 2-9.

@Uteanymous

Yes, BYU finished with a #25 ranking in the Coaches poll and Utah was unranked. Yes, Nelson went 7-1 (against competition whose winning percentage was 71% and average SOS was 80) and Hays went 6-3 (against competition whose winning percentage was 70% and average SOS was 34). Both only played 2 teams with winning records and both went 1-1. Yes, Hays lost to 2 teams with losing records: his first Div. 1 start against ASU, and Colorado by 3. (3 missed field goals).

I see you used Sagarin to obtain your rankings to compare the teams Hayes and Nelson played in the bowl games, and that is fine as it supports your point of view. I will choose the final BCS standings to support mine: BYU #32, Georgia Tech #33, Tulsa #40, and Utah #49. Now, what is more impressive; the #32 team with a quarterback playing in his 30th Div. 1 game beating the #40 team by 3 points, or the #49 team with a quarterback playing in his 11th Div. 1 game beating the #33 team by 3 points? I guess it’s all about perspective, but yes, there is a BIG difference; it’s called experience.

After all the childish comparisons, the ones matter:

--BCS: Utah 2-0; BYU 0-0

--BCS conference: Utah: In; BYU: Indy

Bonus stat for the Cougies:

--Head-to-head: Kyle 4 Bronco 3

@uteanymous

I would agree with you that there is not a vast disparity between the two programs; however, as a fan would you rather have BYU's football accomplishments over the last decade or Utah's?

Any stats you throw up about BYU having 2 more top 25 finishes, 10 win seasons etc. become pretty irrelevant when you think about it in that light.

Yeah so BYU is 18-12 against the utes in the past 30 years but the utes lead the all time series 55-34-4 and oh the utes beat BYU 54-10 last year but the largest margin of victory in the series was BYU by 50 in 1980 but the utes won the fiesta bowl but BYU won a championship! ::rolls eyes:: I wish fans would stop all the ridiculous bickering. The rivalry had lot's of respect at one time and it should return to that. It's a game people. Have fun and chill out. Both teams have accomplished plenty and both teams are great teams. I'm glad the rivalry is going on a hiatus. Maybe it will teach everyone how important the rivalry is and everyone will come back with some more respect. I hope the cougars and utes have amazing seasons and represent our state well.

Lets Review NATIONAL Awards

National Championships
BYU 1
Utah 0

Heisman Trophies
BYU 1
Utah 0

National Individual Awards
BYU 15
Utah 0

National College Football Hall of Fame Players
BYU 6
Utah 0

Top 25 Finishes
BYU 18
Utah 7

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Sorry, booyah801, but during Utah's leather helmet era period of "domination", the Utes accomplished absolutely NOTHING of any national significance.

The Utes didn't even crack the Top 25 until AFTER the WAC was created and that was only in one poll. It wasn't until 1994 that the Utes cracked the Top 25 in BOTH polls. By then, BYU had already won a National Championship, a Heisman Trophy, and had cracked the Top 25 ELEVEN times in BOTH polls.

From 1972 to 1992, BYU beat Utah 19 of 21 times by an average score of 39-19, including

0-27 -- the most lopsided shutout in over 50 years,

56-6 -- the largest margin of victory in the series,

and

70-31 -- by far, the most points ever scored by either team in the series.

Would BYU have liked to play in a couple of BCS games?

Sure.

Would BYU trade accomplishments with Utah.

NOT A CHANCE!

Sure is troll in here.

Oh silly Y fans. Forever trying to bolster your ego with tales from the past.

@pocy

I see you're avoiding the question. You just can't bring yourself to say "colorado was a better team than utah last year because they beat utah head to head". In otherwords you don't believe colorado was a better team than utah despite the head to head result.

You should show some consistency in your supposed convictions, if "head to head" is the decider in one case and all other factors are irrelevent then it should be the decider in ALL cases.

I think we all know that isn't the case, I think we all know that sometimes the better team loses, things just don't go right for them that week. I think we all know that teams improve over the duration of a season. I think we all know that in the end all factors are then obvious and we then judge a teams overall body of work rather than the outcome of 1/13 of that teams season.

Just come clean and admit it, you think utah was better than BYU because of their head to head result and you think utah was better than colorado despite the head to head result.

Duck

Let me ask you this, do you also think BYU was better than Texas and TCU?

Texas(8-5) unranked, #17 Sagarin
TCU(11-2) #14/#13, #20 Sagarin
BYU(10-3) #26/#25, #34 Sagarin
Utah(8-5) unranked, #39 Sagarin

It could be argued that BYU was better than Texas, but not as good as TCU; all three teams were better than Utah.

Riddles

you just made my point for me.

Duck, to answer your question, of course I think Utah was better than Colorado, but, Colorado did beat them, so an argument can be made to the contrary.

I'm presenting a radical argument here to highlight the insanity of the BYU fan radical argument.

This is what I think. BYU fans want so badly to say they are better than Utah, that they will grasp at any straw to prove it.

In this era of the BCS all we say is, please let us prove it on the field. And the last year Utah did against BYU. BYU fans want to denigrate Utah's schedule, but they know very well that their schedule was worse. Do you honestly think Utah wouldn't go 10-3 with BYU's schedule last year?

Of course you have to look at the total body of work, but how do you say you could argue BYU was better than Texas who was lucky to beat you by 1 point in Austin, but can say with authority that BYU was better than Utah who beat you by 44 points in Provo. It defies logic.

Continued:

So, to prove your greatness, you throw out a 44 point drubbing and point to the opinions of sports writers and coaches or their interns who they charge with casting their vote and say, "hey we were better than you!"

Yes, Colorado did beat Utah, but it is certainly a lot easier to write a 3 point loss off to, "hey, we had an off day," than it is a 44 point beat down.

As I said before, I don't think Utah was 44 points better than BYU. But for Riddles and other's pounding your chest that you were better than Utah, that's just ridiculous. It's like Austin Collie saying they were better than TCU and Utah in 2008 when they got pounded by both teams.

@pocyute

But I've never said BYU was better than utah, I think they were about the same overall. You are the one claiming superiority because of head to head in one case and still superiority despite head to head in another. The inconsistency is on your part, certainly not mine.

But it is obvious that the pollsters thought BYU was better than utah last year, despite the utah win, and even though utah didn't get any votes in the polls, just like colorado didn't, I would imagine those same pollsters would consider utah to be a better team than colorado despite the colorado win.

You see unlike me and you and all of the other fans of both teams on here those pollsters are basicly unbiased when it comes to BYU and utah. If anything they may be biased towards utah based on utah's conference affiliation so if they vote BYU to be better they must really think so.

Duck

My comments were never pointed at you in the first place.

My comments were directed at those claiming, like Riddles, that BYU was obviously the superior team just because they were ranked higher than Utah, ignoring the on the field results head to head.

As for the rankings, I don't think the problem is so much a bias, or agenda on the part of the voters, I think it is indifference.