Comments about ‘George F. Will: Mitt's V.P. pick was presidential — and Obama's reaction predictable’

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Published: Thursday, Aug. 16 2012 12:58 a.m. MDT

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Shaun
Sandy, UT

It is always interesting to read about how the government shouldn't be picking winner and losers and it is also interesting that it is usually republicans who make that statement but they are picking winners and losers themselves.

Locally, the governor hands out tax credits left and right to businesses but not to others. Nationally, energy companies get special tax treatment or are not required to fully account dollar wise for the pollution they cause.

Emajor
Ogden, UT

Flowery, beautifully angry prose aside, George Will has truly lost objectivity. Barack Obama may indulge in negative campaigning and should be called on it when he does, but Will and the nation's conservative voices have been doing nothing but using "smarmy" tactics since the day he was elected, and you can guarantee the Romney campaign will hop right on board. It's already happening in the stump speeches. I would love to see George Will question the large government spending that Ryan voted for over the course of his all-government no-private-sector career, but that would be inconvenient for him.

George Will speculates that the Obama can't run on his record and so will smear Ryan as an "extremist" when he and the nation's conservatives have done nothing but label Obama as an extreme socialist. Conservatives certainly have no record worth running on. And then to use a MLK Jr. quote to justify an extreme political position as if it had the validity of the Civil Rights movement or Jesus's mission on earth.

Mr. Will, your hypocrisy is disgusting, regardless of the kingly speech you wrap it up in.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

Yes, I agree. Ryan is a reasonable pick and the dems would bash ANYONE he picked.

Is that a newsflash? (although, Palin was certainly an exception)

The opposition party will bash the other party. Who they pick, what they say, what they wear, what they dont say.

This is unfortunately, what politicians do.

And if you dont think that the political garbage is similar on both sides, you have your head in the sand.

Yes, the Dems skirt the truth in their ads. Just listen to Fox. They will let you know.

What they wont tell you is that the GOP does the same, and at similar rates.

So, please spare me the "look how much THEY lie" comments unless you call our your own.

IDmom
Murray, UT

If someone can provide affordable wind energy, organic foods, electric cars...I can stand behind that. But when it comes to choosing a President who is more concerned with his plan of taking away from people what they earn to give to those who won't ("can't" is different) and a President who is more concerned with making America the America it is supposed to be, I will choose America. I don't want my kids suffering because we can't get a job, they can't get a job, money is worthless and we are criticized if we don't buy the too expensive electric car.

Yes, things need to change. But how can we make any changes if we are subjects of Obama and not concerned, involved citizens of States?

Esquire
Springville, UT

So Mitt walks on water, can be as negative as possible and no one can criticize him, and he doesn't even have to have a position on any issues. Yep, that's a really good choice. We finally have a Kardashian candidate for - famous for being famous. The empty suit. And George Will laps it up. Maybe the GOP is going to nominate Chauncy Gardiner.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

I just did a google search on Ryan. I had not heard or nor thought of his "private sector" experience.

Looks to me that he has spent his whole post education career in the public sector, and all of that in politics.

Personally, I think Ryan is a qualified, capable and intelligent person.

However, I am wondering why those on the right have not been screaming about his lack of business experience. You know, that crowd that screams, "he has never had a real job in his life" or he has "never run anything" or he "never had to meet a payroll".

Can someone explain why that is? Because, it clearly used to matter to them.

Help me out Mr Richards.

Badger55
Nibley, Ut

Joe Blow,

Romney has the business experience and plenty of it. Ryan has the Washington experience. When you put a team together you don't get people who all play the same position.

Mike in Sandy
Sandy, UT

What's Mitt's real first name? "Richard"?

Craig Clark
Boulder, CO

Even George Will these days is getting caught up in the fury of rhetorical overkill as election day nears. Nice try, George, but you're at your best when you're calm enough to appreciate the power of skillful effective understatement.

Paul Ryan has long had a free ride in the friendly haven of fellow conservatives who share his anti-government philosophy. He's in the spotlight now and his programmatic proposals for dismantling proven government initiatives are going to get a grueling scrutiny they've been able to elude as improbable GOP think tank ideas.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

It is what it is, george. What did you expect, the other guys to say all hail ryan and we forfeit?

Joan Watson
TWIN FALLS, ID

George Will, thank you for your voice of reason and truth!

Hellooo
Salt Lake City, UT

The comments follow the party line to attack the messenger because the message is so well said as to be unarguable.

freedomingood
provo, Utah

Romney used to be for legal abortion and universal healthcare, Ryan approved all of Bush's overspending.

Conservatives are really going to vote for them. Yes, they will because republicans do what they are told.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

I'm not sure what is wrong with attacking Paul Ryan's budget. Weren't conservatives saying they wanted a policy debate?

Craig Clark
Boulder, CO

From atl134: "I'm not sure what is wrong with attacking Paul Ryan's budget. Weren't conservatives saying they wanted a policy debate?"

They were crowing that they finally were going to have a national debate between contrasting visions for America, then hastily began back peddling on Ryan's earlier calls for making Medicare into a voucher program. It's going to be interesting how they try to wiggle out of explaining his words that on the record. Just watch. They'll try to their proposal sound like something other than what it is.

George Will is going to have an exhausting two months ahead of him to stay out in front on this one. Good time for him to do some columns on his passion for baseball.

Invisible Hand
Provo, UT

@Esquire: You don't have to agree with Romney, but you can't call him an empty suit. Famous for being famous? Hardly. I shouldn't have to rehash Romney's accomplishments in both private and public sector pursuits. You can't deny that Romney has proven time and again that he's a successful executive.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

"You don't have to agree with Romney, but you can't call him an empty suit. Famous for being famous? Hardly."

Huh?

Did Romney even pay for his education at BYU? The answer is NO. He was given it, 4 free years, because of his father.

Without Romney's father and all his father's millions, it would be interesting to see where Mitt would be today.

Would he be living off the government? Working as a teacher and worried about losing his job? Would he be upset at corporations outsourcing jobs and CEOs taking golden parachutes? Would he be demanding for the increase of taxes on the wealthy? Would he be cool with folks hiding their money in Swiss bank accounts?

Mitt without his father and all his millions most likely isn't running for President today. Stats show, class mobility is horrible here in the US. If he started poor he'd most likely still be poor today.

had Mitt been born into a family of joe sixpacks, he'd be a joe sixpack today.

Mad Hatter
Provo, UT

Think Sarah Palin! Republicans were estatic. Democrats said that she was the worst possible selection. So what's new?

When a presidental candidate selects a vice-presidential running mate, one side says "Great!" and the other side says "Terrible!" It's all a game.

One thing is certain. Ryan's budget will be morphed into Romney's budget because the conservative base expects it regardless of what Ryan or Romney say today. Romney cannot take a more moderate path without antagonising the conservatives on the Far Right. And it is very difficult to imagine Ryan being content to sit quietly in the back and not try to exercise influence to obtain his most precious agenda.

Anyone who thinks that Ryan will be content to be a "nobody" in a beige administration must be living in a vaccuum. Unfortunately, Ryan did not run for president this time around, but he does want to eventually become president. This, alone, make his political agenda significant going forward, and he will possibly work to incorporate his ideas, unmodified, into a Romney administration. Surely, his budget proposal did not die in Congress. It only lay dormant until he can give it life again.

Rational
Salt Lake City, UT

@ Craig Clark "He's in the spotlight now and his programmatic proposals for dismantling proven government initiatives are going to get a grueling scrutiny they've been able to elude as improbable GOP think tank ideas."

Yes, government initiatives ARE proven. Proven to run up $60 Trillion in debt and unfunded future obligations.

Ryan's ideas improbable? Current government programs have been "implementable," but not sustainable, and we're on the hook for $200,000 each man, woman and child. That is unsustainable, and even those who think they'll exit through death's door before the bill is due will be out in the cold unless those programs are restructured NOW, and not just the rate of increase curtailed, but the amount spent decreased.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@Rational
"That is unsustainable, and even those who think they'll exit through death's door before the bill is due will be out in the cold unless those programs are restructured NOW, and not just the rate of increase curtailed, but the amount spent decreased."

Then why make the situation worse by increasing defense spending and giving massive tax cuts for the rich? Americans are looking for shared sacrifice to take care of the deficit issue. Tell me, what in the world, in Ryan's plan, do the wealthy give up? Particularly when Ryan's plan would have lowered Romney's tax rate from 13.9% to 0.86% by eliminating the capital gains tax. Romney would have had 2+ million more in 2010 income under the Ryan plan. What's he sacrificing?

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