No sour grapes here. As stated previously, in my first post, I have NO high
school age children, haven't for years. I only know what I see going on
all around me. I have no ax to grind, or dog in the fight. Just hate to see a
system abused and to see it consistently allowed.
To me it sounds like all of the people who are mad about this are JEALOUS....
why not move to a better educated school? a safer neighborhood? a better chance
to be seen by college coaches? Lets face it, you would take your kids to a
school like Bingham if you had the chance. This has nothing to do with
recruiting. Bingham past speaks for itself
All I see proven is a bunch of sour grapes over having your kid beat out by a
At least down in the slc area, the players move or make an attempt to hide their
intentions. In Cache Valley the kids just go to the school they want to play
for, without moving. The WFFL has better enforced guidelines than the UHSAA.
What a joke.......
Gunner: Thank you for proving my point. The fact that you know "exactly
who they are referring to" about the rental/landlord comments, confirms that
it is common knowledge and blatantly being done. Keep telling yourself and
everyone else that it's not happening. We will see if you feel differently
when your boys reach high school age and these "transfers" start to
effect them. Pretty sure your rose colored glasses won't be so rosy. My
glasses are crystal clear, cheating is cheating, plain and simple!
@Gunner - When I say open enrollment will increase the National Strength of
Utah...I'm talking about on the field...not on "paper"!!!
Sure...the Bingham teams of 2009 and 2010 were both ranked in the Top 10
nationally on "paper". However, on the field, it wasn't the same
story. Trinity killed Bingham and yet Bingham went on to win state. In 2010
Bingham went undefeated, but only played Utah teams and was crowned the best
team in the history of Utah and got a national ranking somewhere in the Top 10.
Bingham did not play any nationally ranked teams and I could find 25 teams
throughout the nation that would have killed them...so I'm not sure how
they got that ranking.My point is this: The 2010 Bingham team had
an something like 12 D-I signees!!! In 4 decades of following HS football, I
have never seen a public school with that many. Imagine if those 12 players
were spread out between 5 or 6 teams??? It would create competition instead of a
monopoly.If open enrollment ends, you will see several strong Utah
teams instead of one "paper" champ.
BigBenzo, We'll see an increase in National strength of Utah football if we
get rid of open enrollment? Uh, have you watched the past 5 years of football
here in Utah? Utah has never had as many teams as it's had in the top 100
these past 5 years or so. Bingham finished I think 4th 2 years ago. So that
argument goes out the door. Because when I played when there was no open
enrollment here in Utah, we never came close to having a top 10 nationally
ranked team. And as for the comments on the "common landlord" That same
garbage has been said the past 10 years, and it's never ever proved, always
somebody that knows somebody that knows somebody that knows who it is. Do we
really think after that long we &wouldn't have had something come out
on it? I know exactly who they are referring to, and know them very well. And
it's pure nonsense!
So much for integrity - one man's "word" vs another. What do kids
learn from this . . . that you can say what you want and that it doesn't
matter what "means" you have to go to get what "ends" you want.
Is it that big of a deal if a kids is transferring because he might be more
likely to be looked at by colleges? I understand we want to be fair to all the
kids and that high schools are about education, but they are also about helping
kids get to college. I'm more opposed to the importance we give to sports
than kids taking advantage of the situation -- and that's coming from big
sports fan who probably puts too much importance on sports in general.
I am a strong opponent against Utah's open enrollment policy. I firmly
believe that a student-athlete should go to the school based on the boundaries
of the house they live in.@my point of view mentioned
"renters" at Bingham. I don't have a major problem with
this...other than if parents are so caught up in football enough to move their
entire family, so a son can play at a certain school, then the parents are doing
a huge disservice to their son and their family. The one thing that did catch
my attention was the fact that you mentioned a "common" landlord and
multiple "renters" all having a son on the football team. This would be
cause for concern because it would display evidence of a conspiracy by either
the head coach or by someone close to Bingham. This is something that should be
reported and investigated by UHSAA.Open enrollment and recruiting
conspiracies decreases competition among schools and therefore lowers the
strength of Utah football as a whole. I believe once open enrollment is
eliminated...you will see a rise in the national strength of Utah football!!!
I was at the hearing and there wasn't any proof. They said what they
thought happened but they had no real proof. If there was any evidence at all
they would have mad the kids sit out. Of course there coach said there was
evidence, if you show up and don't have something to say they will laugh
you out of the room. Bottom line is that the Kearns Coach did the right thing
for his program to show everyone that he wants to keep everyone and will fight
for it. If he doesn't then pretty soon he will be t-ville. Also I want to
point out that none of these kids will be starting on friday night, one of them
will be rotating at full back. They all started at kearns last year. If football
was the only reason the parents left then they would be throwing a fit at
Bingham right now because there kids aren't getting what they promised.
Dave peck made that clear in the hearing to point out that none of the kids are
its too bad that these young men are getting picked on what else would it be 5
kids in one hearing ? some very different reasons for leaving the one that
sticks with me is about the boys who was assaulted at kearns high and had his
jaw broken , wow if that isn't reason enough for that mother to pack up her
family I sure don't know what is , we have no right to question that , what
a horrible time that family must have gone through , I am a grief counselor and
after something like that happens, people can go through a lot of stress and
anxiety , if the boy who assaulted him went to the same school or a school close
by the event that the young man would run into him would be very likely, its to
bad there wasn't more understanding and support for this young man im sure
he needed it and if the family chose to move I don't think any of us have
room to question . it is good for him to have a second chance somewhere new most
times the place the assault occurred brings back memories of the assault.
The uhsaa should not be afraid to enforce their own rules. The article said
there was evidence of recruiting and so the undue influence rules should apply.
To USAlover: In response to your reasons why families move, did these families
actually purchase a home in the new boundaries, or are they "renting"?
Normally that wouldn't matter at all, but in regards to Bingham, it is
common knowledge that there are plenty of "renters" who have moved into
the boundaries in recent years, all with the same "landlord" in common.
It also must be a HUGE coincidence that these families all happen to have
football player sons. Just saying it's very blatant, yet continues
happening. Anyone affiliated with Bingham knows exactly what I'm speaking
of. It is very sad for the kids who have lived in the boundaries their whole
lives, played in the feeder program, supported the high school program with
their whole heart and souls, only to be replaced by these transfers when
it's time to play in high school. And before you say I'm a
disgruntled parent, no I'm not, don't even have a child in high
school, just a football fan who has sat back and watched it all unfold. Botton
line, "open enrollment" is a joke. It's a transfer for athletics,
plain and simple.
Continued-Those of you who want to see how the system should work google an
Oklahoma/Texas ruling by the Texas UIL in 2010. A highly recruited quarterback,
Daxx Garman, moved to Southlake Texas strictly for atletic reasons (their
players are highly recruited by major colleges) & was not allowed to play
his senior year. His family appealed the decision & lost. No one is allowed
to transfer for athletic reasons! They rented a house in Southlake but that did
not show the true intent-the investigation did! The UIL enforced their rules! I
have read about all your coaching changes & I have to believe that if there
was more support for the coaches & you actually had rules in place to
prohibit transfers for athletic purposes everyone would be better served! If
there is a coach that does not support change to the UHSAA guidelines then I
would question his "recruiting" practices. Coach Cosper I respect your
efforts. It's obvious what the intent was & the UHSAA allows it. To
all you Kearns players I am going to follow you through this paper's on
line publication & I am wishing you the very best. Pull together & have
a great season!
I picked this story up through your on-line publication. USHAA is a joke! Who
thinks for a minute that parents would allow their boys to share what the true
motivation for moving actually was & if any coach is going to admit he was
at fault? The only way to stop parents & players from moving strictly for
athletic reasons is to not allow students to transfer for athletic reasons.If
you feel so uncomfortable living in an area are you moving back when your sons
are finished with high school & sports? For a so called coach to have
demanded I'm calling the plays or I'm moving-your boys sit out! Oh
& by the way it's o.k. to try & cause a team to fail so just maybe
the head coach will lose his job & you can step in. The most critical point
is you have an organization that is supposed to be a ruling body that supports
their schools & coaches but has no guidelines that really support them.
Continued in next comment!
"USAlover....if you are a 3 year starter, why do you leave a program, if you
are not promised something?"@ Old ball coach, Even though
you're an old coach, you should be able to understand why families who
happen to have athletes need to move. In case you can't think of some, let
me provide just a handful.1. next door is a meth house2. next
door is bully/pedophile/jerk3. downsizing or upsizing4. want extra
room for a garden5. financial difficulties require sell (shortsale etc)6. wife wants a bigger kitchen pantry7. current house has
asbestos/mold/radon8. want to live on a cul-de-sac9. want kids to go
to different schools10.want kids to associate with different kidsOR!!! Maybe they just want to. Do you really want to punish kids because
their parents buy a new house with their own money (breaking no federal or state
laws) and move their entire family?Seriously??? I hate to see
Bingham get better football players but if their family buys a house with their
own money and moves their entire family, I believe that is an unpunishable right
under the Constitution of the United States of America.
Old ball coach ... Open enrollment has nothing to do with it if the families
move into the new school's boundaries. Completely moving a family is
enough of a deterrent for most people.
I say they need to get rid of the transfers period. If you move, oh well, find a
way to commute back to the school you were playing for before. Now, if you move
far enough away then you would have to transfer, but moving 5 miles just to play
for a "better" program is ridiculous!
USAlover....if you are a 3 year starter, why do you leave a program, if you are
not promised something? Give me a break! Andy...if you believe
coaches play head games with kids, you miss read the article. Parents wanted the
offensive coordinator and the head coaches job.....all because the parents
wanted their guys to run the team. Talk about head games! End the
debates and close off open enrollment. This would never happen though, because
the uhsaa feels it needs to do its job by hearing these stupid cases. Utah needs
to grow up and get with the times, and end the loopholes. (moving)
USAlover hit the main issue on the head.Also, I'm new to foot
ball as a parent of a first-time player (gremlins) and I'm really shocked
and a bit turned off by the politics of this game. Crazy how the coaches play
head games with the parents AND the kids. This is way more than a game to many
of these guys.
If an entire family moves to a new home, it is neither their responsibility nor
requirement to explain to ANYBODY why they moved, especially some High School
Board.Give me a break people...