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Published: Saturday, Aug. 11 2012 7:53 p.m. MDT

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Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

truecoug1:

"Explains the trailer park. How miserable for you."

How amusing! Because it actually DOES explain the trailer park. Utah's new $10.4 million (minimum...that doesn't count the FULL share we'll be receiving from the Pac-12 Network) television revenues has allowed us to renovate our existing athletic facilities. Without that extra cash, we WOULDN'T have had the money to do it, and thus, would still be in our regular location. But, since we DO have that extra cash flow, the trailers will provide the Football staff a temporary place to park themselves while construction continues on our new facility.

(It takes more than a day to build these types of structures you know...)

How jealous you must be that due to our additional $10.4 million, we can afford new Football offices, while you cannot. 2012 = $15.1 million (minimum) for Utah...but likely in the $5-7 million range (ESPN most likely won't option Weber St, so you'll only get paid for the other 5 Home games) for the Indy-WACers. How miserable for YOU.

truecoug1
Provo, UT

@NavalVet "How jealous you must be that due to our additional $10.4 million, we can afford new Football offices, while you cannot."

Lol, bro, that's because we already built our "BCS" caliber facilities 5 years ago. Not only that, we actually just renovated our football offices this year. Have you ever been to Student Athlete Building on campus at BYU? The IPF? Perhaps you haven't noticed the brand new video boards and ribbons they're putting into LES right now?

See, BYU can actually afford these top-notch facilities without being in a conference. Why? Because they're a national brand that operates in the black, with a contract with ESPN, not KJZZ. It's cute that your conference has a nice TV contract with ESPN and Fox...I'm just curious as to how many times the WorldWide Leader will pick U to be on their networks this year. My guess? Not many.

It's also cute that Utah finally got the memo to upgrade their facilities and that they will have money for them sometime in the future.

Who knows, maybe with your TV revenue, U can actually start buying recruits, like Oregon and USC?

truecoug1
Provo, UT

@NavalVet "All that KJZZ stuff is old news. If you had anything current, you would have used it, but you don't so you're trying to tie Utah's LAST season to the Indy-WACers CURRENT."

Very true...I'll have to switch over to the fact that your conference has a big ol' contract with ESPN and Fox, yet they'll probably shove you on their cute little 'Mtn' Network.

The PAC 12 already has a history of sitting you down in the corner, patting your head, and telling you not to make waves. I see no reason for that to change.

By the way, thanks for the four responses to my one comment. I haven't made you 'frantic and emotional', have i?

Go Cougars!

truecoug1
Provo, UT

@NavalVet " Last year, Utah collected nearly $5.2 million in Pac-12 CCG and Bowl revenues. We'll be getting that again THIS year, only with an additional kicker of over $10.4 million in TV revenues PLUS whatever the Pac-12 Network nets (and THAT'll be a FULL share since it's new money)."

Lol, and your point? U still didn't get any of that 3 billion dollar TV contract last year, which was the original question. U are still operating in the red, your administration has still jacked up ticket prices to try to get by, and U are still putting on a fundraiser to try and raise money for your athletic department. U still operate out of a trailer park and U still will get relegated to that amazing 'nationwide' PAC 12 network that U probably won't be able to see.

U had as many games on ESPNU as BYU's RUGBY team last year. And I'm pretty sure that the commentators for the rugby game didn't apologize to their viewers for how poor a game it was, which is what the commentators did during the Utah/Pitt game.

Nice brand, bro.

truecoug1
Provo, UT

@NavalVet "I gave you the channels those games were on here in Philadelphia."

And I gave you the channels that those games were ACTUALLY on, KJZZ and regional channels. Maybe U were confused? But hey, if U can provide links to places that show that the OSU and Cal games were on FSN and that the UCLA game was on FX, then I might actually believe U.

"But do the cougars get 58 million viewers?"

Lol, nope, but I can guarantee they get a whole lot more than the Utes do. The Utah was game was our third lowest-rated game last year, even behind SJSU!

BYUtv is actually IN 58 million homes. The PAC 12 Network is on cable distributors that reach 48 million homes, but that doesn't mean the PAC 12 Network is IN 48 million homes. There's a great article in the LA Times today about it. Only those within the PAC footprint have it on their basic cable, and even in some places within the PAC, an extra subscription or sports package is required to view it.

BYUtv > PAC 12 Network.

BYU Brand > Utah Brand

BYU > Utah

Go Cougars!

Mount Olympus
Salt Lake, UT

Re: truecoug1

BYU's bowl game vs Tulsa had the 3rd lowest tv ratings of all the bowls.
It had fewer viewers than both Marshall vs FIU and Temple vs Wyoming.

Rockwell
Baltimore, MD

Mount Olympus

The weekday, morning time slot was the overriding factor in low ratings for the Armed Forces Bowl; it had NOTHING to do with the teams involved.

Comparing apples to apples:

Ratings from the just-completed 2011-12 athletic year showed BYU broadcasts led the SLC/Ogden/Provo market in audience numbers, dominating in-state rival Utah's broadcasts in both football and basketball.

In-game audience shares

BYU FB: ranging from 14.7 to 19.0 across key demos.
Utah FB: ranging from 8.2 to 13.4 across key demos.

BYU FB: average audience 159,900; season-high 228,700.
Utah FB: average audience 90,500; season-high 132,700.

Source: Arbitron

truecoug1
Provo, UT

@Mount Olympus "BYU's bowl game vs Tulsa had the 3rd lowest tv ratings of all the bowls.
It had fewer viewers than both Marshall vs FIU and Temple vs Wyoming."

A few things to consider. First, the 2010 Armed Forces bowl between Army and SMU garnered a 1.33 Nielsen rating. The 2011 Armed Forces Bowl between BYU and Tulsa had a 1.43 Nielsen rating. Second, the Armed Forces bowl was played at 10 AM MT on a FRIDAY. Marshall vs FIU had a 1.52 Nielsen rating being played prime-time Tuesday night (8 PM, E.T.). The New Mexico bowl (Temply vs Wyoming) was played on SATURDAY, 12 PM MT. They garnered a 1.54 Nielsen rating. Compare that to last year's New Mexico bowl betweeen BYU and UTEP, which was played at the same time. It garnered a 1.82 Nielsen rating.

Makes sense that both those bowls would have slightly higher ratings than the Armed Forces bowl since most people are home from work at night (prime-time) and on a Saturday.

truecoug1
Provo, UT

@Mount Olympus continued

Finally, the 2010 Sun Bowl between Notre Dame and Miami garnered a 3.01 Nielsen rating. The 2011 Sun Bowl between Utah and Gerogia Tech garnered a 2.71 Nielsen rating. Both were played on a Saturday at the same time.

So in conclusion, BYU actually HELPED the Armed Forces bowl ratings, while Utah helped to significantly lower the Sun Bowl's.

Again, BYU has a national brand, Utah does not.

Go Cougars!

truecoug1
Provo, UT

@Mount Olympus and Naval Vet

As a further support/demonstration of BYU's national brand, google 'CommonCensus Sports Map Project'. As the website states, it's not scientific by any means, but it's basically a survey of about 29,000 people around the country as to which teams they cheer for.

Click on the map for NCAA Football, set the radius to 200 miles and click anywhere on the map. Almost without expection, wherever you pick, BYU will be in the top 15 schools, maybe top 20.

Very rarely is Utah on that list. Again, it's not scientific, but it's a good demonstration to show that BYU does have a national following.

Of course, the ESPN contract was evidence of the national brand that BYU has.

The KJZZ contract is evidence of the type of brand that Utah has.

Great time to be a Cougar!

idablu
Idaho Falls, ID

Seriously Naval Vet, do you work? Because it sure seems that you spend all your waking hours trolling BYU articles. Is your hatred so intense that your whole life revolves around obsessing about BYU? How pathetic!

Look at all your posts then look at the title of the article--they have nothing to do with each other.

Truth Machine
Salt Lake City, UT

trueblue1

Thanks for that objective analysis of ratings.

The most telling comparison of BYU and Utah from last season, to me, was ESPN choosing to televise EVERY BYU game that was available to them (11 of 13 games), yet when ABC/ESPN were selecting which PAC 12 games to televise last year, they completely ignored Utah; even Utah's inaugural PAC 12 game at USC wasn't interesting to ABC/ESPN.

truecoug1
Provo, UT

@Truth Machine "The most telling comparison of BYU and Utah from last season, to me, was ESPN choosing to televise EVERY BYU game that was available to them (11 of 13 games), yet when ABC/ESPN were selecting which PAC 12 games to televise last year, they completely ignored Utah; even Utah's inaugural PAC 12 game at USC wasn't interesting to ABC/ESPN."

I completely agree. The biggest point I like to make about the two PAC 12 newcomers last year is that Utah's first ever PAC 12 game with USC was televised on Versus on a Saturday afternoon (basically, the upgraded MTN, otherwise known as the Hunting and Fishing Channel), while Colorado's date with the Trojans was prime time Saturday night on ESPN.

Utah just doesn't have a national draw. The PAC 12 Networks know this, which is why Utah had to get a contract with KJZZ to show their games last year.

This year, I would guess it'd be a steady diet of the PAC 12 Network for the Utes. Their only scheduled PAC 12 game on ESPN right now is USC on a Thursday night.

Go Cougars!

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@truecoug1

Actually, the most telling comparison of BYU and Utah is that Utah has a large enough brand to make it into the PAC-12 while BYU has such a large brand that you're still in 40 stright years of "discussions" with the Big 12.

Good luck Sep 15th, you'll need it as Utah will be going for its 3rd beat-down in 5 years over the "national brand" (aka "legacy program" down south).

truecoug1
Provo, UT

@Uteology "Actually, the most telling comparison of BYU and Utah is that Utah has a large enough brand to make it into the PAC-12..."

Lol, really? U must be one of those guys who thinks that Louisville and South Florida got into the Big East because of their 'brand', right?

U got into the PAC 12 because the PAC wanted a footprint in the SLC TV market and U were the only school that wasn't affiliated with a religion that fit the bill.

Here are the facts:
The U's 'brand' started in 2004. During that time through to 2010 (when the PAC invited U), the Utes record was 60-17, with 2 BCS wins.

Colorado's record during that time? 31-44, 0 BCS wins.

And yet, for all of your fantastic 'brand', Utah got their first ever PAC 12 game with USC on Versus, while Colorado got featured prime-time Saturday night on ESPN against the Trojans.

Your brand is so large that U tied Oregon St for the fewest games picked up by the PAC 12 markets last year. U had to contract out with KJZZ just to show your games.

truecoug1
Provo, UT

@Uteology continued

Your one game on ESPN came courtesy of your big brother down south, and BYU's RUGBY team had as many games on ESPNU as Utah did.

But to top it all off, Spence Checketts, the biggest Ute homer in the state, said on 1280 The Zone yesterday that BYU has much more of a national brand than Utah.

Lol, but U go ahead and think that U got into the PAC 12 because of your brand. Haha, I got a really good laugh out of that one!

As for the '3rd beatdown in 5 years talk'...sure, if U think that BYU will just give U the ball 4 times like last year, then go ahead. After re-watching last year's game a couple of times, I think it'll be a miracle if the Utes don't lose by more than 14 points to the Cougars this year.

Should be a fun game :)

Go Cougars!

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