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Published: Saturday, Aug. 11 2012 7:53 p.m. MDT

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Cougars1
Bluffdale, UT

Naval,
That wasn't the point I was making, but you are correct.

As for the 10 to 15, I could also say that your 8 estimate was pulled out of you "ear" as a Utah fan who would hate to admit that BYU surpassed the 10 mark. But I will repeat, 10 to 15 I do know. I just won't tell you how I know.

But just for fun, let's do a hypothetical. It was reported before last season that BYU would get somewhere around 1.3 for home games televised by ESPN. They had 7. Let's be very conservative and say that they got $7 mil for the home games. The TCU game they got $2.5; also reported by the dnews. That takes us to 9.5. Add in the paychecks from Texas and Ol Miss and that puts it over 10. I don't know where you get your 8 from, but it's wrong. Keep in mind that BYUtv also televised the Oregon State game and had revenues from that game as well as the conference revenue share from basketball and other sports. Enjoy the sand.

TheSportsAuthority
Arlington, VA

Naval Vet

It's laughable that you spend soooo much time comparing BYU and Utah recruiting, when, if you weren't just a BYU hater, your attention should now be on USC.

It's easy to guess why we'll NEVER see a comparison of USC and Utah recruiting from you because an objective comparison would prove, conclusively, that the Utes have absolutely ZERO CHANCE of EVER beating the Trojans.

Your once in a decade Top 25 recruiting classes aren't even in the same hemisphere of USC annual Top 10 recruiting classes.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

Winglish:

"With 25+ returning starters from a Top 25 ranked team last year, BYU should have a very good record at the end of the season."

Maybe if the Indy-WACers actually HAD 25+ starters returning, they really MIGHT have a very good record at the end of the season. But, the trouble is, you don't. You have 14. Which is 1 fewer than the number of starters you had returning LAST year.

P.S.: You only backed into the Top-25 by the end of last season by way of rolling up 10 wins. Except that you really didn't beat anyone. When "8-5 Tulsa" is your signature win, then your ranking is a farce....and one only made possible due to USC being ineligible for placement in that poll. Only Indy-WACey fans think backing into the Top-25 via weak-SOS is worth crowing about.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

Cougars1:

"It was reported before last season that BYU would get somewhere around 1.3 for home games televised by ESPN."

And where was this reported? Because I have a report that stated otherwise. If you Googled the article "BYU signs long-term deals with ESPN, Notre Dame" published on Sept. 3, 2010, you will read, "Holmoe and other BYU officials announced an eight-year partnership with television sports giant ESPN...Financial terms of the BYU-ESPN deal...estimates put it anywhere between $800,000 and $1.2 million per home game."

Not $1.3 million.

Now there seems to be a few common cougar misconceptions about this deal. One of which is that the cougars get to choose which figure they like better between $800K and $1.2M. They don't. ESPN pays what they believe the market share will hold. Thus, they're not paying you $1.2 million to play UCF, USU, SJSU, Idaho St, Idaho, or NMSU. My best guess is you'd collect $1 million for UCF and USU, and $800K for all the remaining teams not-named Idaho St (since ESPN didn't broadcast that game).

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

Cougars1 (cont.):

Another common misconception is that the cougars will be paid up to $1.2 million for AWAY games broadcast on ESPN. They won't. When you played at Oregon St, you got paid under OSU's contract. Not your own. Same thing with Texas and Mississippi. In fact ALL teams -- including Notre Dame -- are paid under the previously stipulated contract negotiated by the HOST team. So you would have made the same amount of money at Mississippi, Texas, Oregon St, et al as a MWC member as you did as an Indy-WACer. That's not new money.

So let's break it down...

I see no article that stipulated a $2.5M game with TCU. In fact, you didn't even get that much when you played Oklahoma there 3 yrs ago. Since ESPN negotiated the deal, it would have fallen under your ESPN contract. Which means....$1.2M TOPS!

Mississippi, Texas, Oregon St, and Hawai'i would have been paid out at the hosting teams' rates, and can not be classified as new money.

Utah and TCU would have brought in $1.2M each. UCF and USU -- likely $1M each.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

Cougars1 (cont.):

Since the sporting world doesn't hold their breath for Indy-WACey matchups vs. SJSU, Idaho, or NMSU, you won't be able to convince anyone outside of WACistan that these games are getting paid out any amount over $800K.

TCU + Utah = $1.2 X 2 = $2.4
UCF + USU = $1 X 2 = $2
SJSU + Idaho + NMSU = $0.8 X 3 = $2.4
Idaho St. = $0
Tulsa (Bowl) = $0.6

$2.4 + $2 + $2.4 + $0 + $0.6 = new money = $7.4 million

Indy-WACness = $7.4 million

skywalker
Palo Alto, CA

Naval Vet

Why are you soooo obsessed with BYU, when Utah now has a far bigger fish to fry in USC?

Get over your BYU hatred already; it's not healthy, in fact, it's not even logical for a fan of such a "superior" program as Utah, to have such an inferiority complex that he feels compelled to try to minimize everything about an institution that he holds in such contempt.

The fact that ESPN signed an 8-year agreement with BYU, after having televised BYU football games since 1984, is proof positive that the "World-Wide Leader" sees BYU as a very marketable college football commodity.

DeepBlue
Anaheim, CA

Naval Vet

The truth is, you're jealous that BYU is doing what you know would be impossible for Utah.

Utah is totally dependent on whatever conference the Utes happen to be in. We all saw what happened to Utah last season when the Utes were forced to come up with their own television coverage for HOME GAMES - the best U could do was KJZZ - which the Utes were probably willing to do for free just so their fans could watch the game.

Conversely, when BYU played at Oregon State and the game wasn't picked up by a PAC television partner, BYU sent their state-of-the-art HD television truck to Corvallis and arranged to have the game simulcast on BYUtv and on Fox College Sports Pacific (DirecTV, Comcast).

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

TheSportsAuthority and skywalker:

(1) I have no need be overly concerned about USC until after Sept. 22nd.

(2) Cougar fans have obnoxiously boasted for decades how "national" they were, and how their "brand" made the WAC and the MWC. And while you DID "make the WAC", the MWC was "made" by Utah and TCU. You guys never played in a BCS bowl, and were only one notch above Colorado State. After we were "Fully Invited", and you weren't [*snicker*], I'd say that proved all those "secret negotiations" with the Pac-10 were bogus, and which MWC team really DID carry the "brand". After TCU invited to the Big 12, and you weren't [*snicker*], I'd say that proved all those "secret negotiations" with the Big 12 were bogus as well, and which remaining MWC team really DID carry the "brand".

We're going to ride you about this for a long time because we KNOW you would have done the same to US had the shoe been on the other foot. We may have left you behind, but that doesn't mean we won't enjoy making fun of you.

I means we WILL!

Haha!

truecoug1
Provo, UT

@NavalVet "After we were "Fully Invited", and you weren't [*snicker*], I'd say that proved all those "secret negotiations" with the Pac-10 were bogus, and which MWC team really DID carry the "brand"."

And after U were put on Versus against USC and Colorado was put on ESPN against the Trojans, we got to see which PAC 12 newcomer really did 'carry the brand'. And after U got your contract with KJZZ while BYU got theirs with ESPN, well, that definitely showed us who has the national brand in the state.

But congrats on getting into the PAC 12 and 'leaving us behind'. You've officially become the new Iowa St/Duke/Washington St/Kentucky/Maryland of the football world...except that they're all on national TV more than U and I don't think any of those teams runs their football facilities out of a trailer park.

That's just sad, even for U.

Go Cougars!

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

Cougar1:

"I will repeat, 10 to 15 I do know. I just won't tell you how I know."

Of course. What would an Indy-WACey article be without some frantic and emotional cougar fan spreading more unverifiable super-secret inside information. Kind of like those "done deals" Utah's little brother negotiated in their inevitable invitations to the Pac-12 and the Big 12.

I will repeat...$8 million range. I do know. I just won't tell you how I know.

truecoug1:

Still with the KJZZ thing? You KNOW Utah is part of that $3 billion TV package don't you? And that the Pac-12 Network's inaugural broadcast will be in 2 days? And that the first Pac-12 Network Football game will feature the Utes? How sad for you that you're not only stuck in the past, but also stuck regurgitating desperation data. Philadelphians don't have access to KJZZ, yet I was still able to watch the Utes take on the Indy-WACers (ESPN2), USC (Versus), UWa, ASU, Cal, OSU, and CU (FSN), and UCLA (FX). Pitt (ESPNU) and Ga. Tech (CBS) were also available to Philadelphians.

How miserable for you.

Cougar Claws
Lindon, UT

Re: Naval Vet

What's funny is that 75% of those guys you named from the 2010 class are on MISSIONS and will be playing with the team by 2013. Besides, even without Jake Heaps the 2010 class would still have been ranked 33rd that year which still isn't too bad.

Cougars1
Bluffdale, UT

Naval,
Come on, now you sound like some frantic and emotional Ute fan spreading more unverifiable super-secret inside information. 10 to 15 pal. I like how you take the low end of everything just to prove you point. Your insecurity is amazing.

Cougars1
Bluffdale, UT

Naval,
BTW, 7.4 is still as much or more than most mid major CONFERENCES get, even though it's wrong.;)

Swoop
Salt Lake City, UT

Naval Vet

It's laughable that Utah is "rolling in the dough", yet the Utes are still gouging their students with increased student fees, their fans with grossly inflated season ticket prices, and Hill is deathly afraid of expanding RES because he doesn't want to be embarrassed by a sea of empty red chairs when the inevitable losing seasons and no bowl games drain RES just like we've seen at the Huntsman Center.

Shiny new facilities won't mean anything when you're still a conference bottom dweller in every sport.

truecoug1
Provo, UT

@NavalVet "Still with the KJZZ thing?"

Why not? You still use the Indy-WACer label, even though our contract with the WAC expires this year and you KNOW we don't have any WAC teams on the schedule for next year.

"Philadelphians don't have access to KJZZ"

Really? Yet you claim you were able to watch Cal (KJZZ/CSN Bay Area), OSU (KJZZ, RSN-regional), and UCLA (KJZZ/FSPT)? Either you're lying (which is hilarious), or you somehow watched on some illegal TV streaming website (even more hilarious)!

That's a new low, even for U!

As for the PAC 12 Network, how's that going to work out for you, since it's availab le in 48 million homes in the PAC geographical area? And who knows how many subscribers that really is? But hey, you were somehow able to watch KJZZ, so I'm sure you'll figure out a way to get the PAC networks.

BYUtv is actually in 58 million homes across the nation.

BYUtv > PAC Network

By the way, how much of that 3 billion dollars has Utah received? None? Huh, interesting. Explains the trailer park. How miserable for you.

Go Cougars!

Cougars1
Bluffdale, UT

Swoop,
Not only do they have a trailer park; their indoor practice facility is nothing more than a hay barn. You can't even punt or kick off in there without banging it off the rafters. Pathetic.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

Cougars1:

"...you sound like some frantic and emotional Ute fan spreading more unverifiable super-secret inside information. 10 to 15 pal...Your insecurity is amazing."

I provided you with the Google search engine requirements to verify my report. However, YOU have YET to provide ANYTHING to substantiate your frantic and emotional made up revenues of $10-15 million.

And FWIW...if you really did "know", then you would have "known" how much it really was. You wouldn't have given a $5 million range. Proof positive that you don't really know. $8 million range. I showed you where to look. Short of any NEW evidence...case closed!

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

truecoug1:

I gave you the channels those games were on here in Philadelphia. If it was illegal cable, that WOULD be funny since my friends and I watched them at "Cavanaugh's Rittenhouse" sports bar on 18th and Sansom.

"BYUtv is actually in 58 million homes across the nation."

But do the cougars get 58 million viewers? No? Well then I guess it doesn't really make any difference how many homes that channel serves, does it? Now as for the Pac-12 Network, Comcast had just recently changed up the channel line ups to include new cable programming. And the Pac-12 Network is one of them.

"...how much of that 3 billion dollars has Utah received? None?"

Again...all in the past. Last year, Utah collected nearly $5.2 million in Pac-12 CCG and Bowl revenues. We'll be getting that again THIS year, only with an additional kicker of over $10.4 million in TV revenues PLUS whatever the Pac-12 Network nets (and THAT'll be a FULL share since it's new money).

2012 = $15.1 million

Well for Utah anyway. Enjoy your $7-8 million.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

truecoug1:

"Why not? You still use the Indy-WACer label, even though our contract with the WAC expires this year and you KNOW we don't have any WAC teams on the schedule for next year."

I use the Indy-WACer label because you DO have a bunch of WAC teams on your schedule THIS year. As for next year, there won't even be a WAC.

All that KJZZ stuff is old news. If you had anything current, you would have used it, but you don't so you're trying to tie Utah's LAST season to the Indy-WACers CURRENT.

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