@Uteology continuedYour one game on ESPN came courtesy of your big
brother down south, and BYU's RUGBY team had as many games on ESPNU as Utah
did.But to top it all off, Spence Checketts, the biggest Ute homer
in the state, said on 1280 The Zone yesterday that BYU has much more of a
national brand than Utah.Lol, but U go ahead and think that U got
into the PAC 12 because of your brand. Haha, I got a really good laugh out of
that one!As for the '3rd beatdown in 5 years talk'...sure,
if U think that BYU will just give U the ball 4 times like last year, then go
ahead. After re-watching last year's game a couple of times, I think
it'll be a miracle if the Utes don't lose by more than 14 points to
the Cougars this year.Should be a fun game :)Go Cougars!
@Uteology "Actually, the most telling comparison of BYU and Utah is that
Utah has a large enough brand to make it into the PAC-12..."Lol,
really? U must be one of those guys who thinks that Louisville and South
Florida got into the Big East because of their 'brand', right?U got into the PAC 12 because the PAC wanted a footprint in the SLC TV
market and U were the only school that wasn't affiliated with a religion
that fit the bill.Here are the facts:The U's
'brand' started in 2004. During that time through to 2010 (when the
PAC invited U), the Utes record was 60-17, with 2 BCS wins.Colorado's record during that time? 31-44, 0 BCS wins.And
yet, for all of your fantastic 'brand', Utah got their first ever PAC
12 game with USC on Versus, while Colorado got featured prime-time Saturday
night on ESPN against the Trojans.Your brand is so large that U tied
Oregon St for the fewest games picked up by the PAC 12 markets last year. U had
to contract out with KJZZ just to show your games.
@truecoug1Actually, the most telling comparison of BYU and Utah is
that Utah has a large enough brand to make it into the PAC-12 while BYU has such
a large brand that you're still in 40 stright years of
"discussions" with the Big 12.Good luck Sep 15th,
you'll need it as Utah will be going for its 3rd beat-down in 5 years over
the "national brand" (aka "legacy program" down south).
@Truth Machine "The most telling comparison of BYU and Utah from last
season, to me, was ESPN choosing to televise EVERY BYU game that was available
to them (11 of 13 games), yet when ABC/ESPN were selecting which PAC 12 games to
televise last year, they completely ignored Utah; even Utah's inaugural PAC
12 game at USC wasn't interesting to ABC/ESPN."I completely
agree. The biggest point I like to make about the two PAC 12 newcomers last
year is that Utah's first ever PAC 12 game with USC was televised on Versus
on a Saturday afternoon (basically, the upgraded MTN, otherwise known as the
Hunting and Fishing Channel), while Colorado's date with the Trojans was
prime time Saturday night on ESPN. Utah just doesn't have a
national draw. The PAC 12 Networks know this, which is why Utah had to get a
contract with KJZZ to show their games last year.This year, I would
guess it'd be a steady diet of the PAC 12 Network for the Utes. Their only
scheduled PAC 12 game on ESPN right now is USC on a Thursday night.Go Cougars!
trueblue1Thanks for that objective analysis of ratings.The most telling comparison of BYU and Utah from last season, to me, was ESPN
choosing to televise EVERY BYU game that was available to them (11 of 13 games),
yet when ABC/ESPN were selecting which PAC 12 games to televise last year, they
completely ignored Utah; even Utah's inaugural PAC 12 game at USC
wasn't interesting to ABC/ESPN.
Seriously Naval Vet, do you work? Because it sure seems that you spend all your
waking hours trolling BYU articles. Is your hatred so intense that your whole
life revolves around obsessing about BYU? How pathetic!Look at all
your posts then look at the title of the article--they have nothing to do with
@Mount Olympus and Naval VetAs a further support/demonstration of
BYU's national brand, google 'CommonCensus Sports Map Project'.
As the website states, it's not scientific by any means, but it's
basically a survey of about 29,000 people around the country as to which teams
they cheer for. Click on the map for NCAA Football, set the radius
to 200 miles and click anywhere on the map. Almost without expection, wherever
you pick, BYU will be in the top 15 schools, maybe top 20.Very
rarely is Utah on that list. Again, it's not scientific, but it's a
good demonstration to show that BYU does have a national following. Of course, the ESPN contract was evidence of the national brand that BYU
has.The KJZZ contract is evidence of the type of brand that Utah
has.Great time to be a Cougar!
@Mount Olympus continuedFinally, the 2010 Sun Bowl between Notre
Dame and Miami garnered a 3.01 Nielsen rating. The 2011 Sun Bowl between Utah
and Gerogia Tech garnered a 2.71 Nielsen rating. Both were played on a Saturday
at the same time.So in conclusion, BYU actually HELPED the Armed
Forces bowl ratings, while Utah helped to significantly lower the Sun
Bowl's.Again, BYU has a national brand, Utah does not.Go Cougars!
@Mount Olympus "BYU's bowl game vs Tulsa had the 3rd lowest tv ratings
of all the bowls. It had fewer viewers than both Marshall vs FIU and
Temple vs Wyoming."A few things to consider. First, the 2010
Armed Forces bowl between Army and SMU garnered a 1.33 Nielsen rating. The
2011 Armed Forces Bowl between BYU and Tulsa had a 1.43 Nielsen rating. Second,
the Armed Forces bowl was played at 10 AM MT on a FRIDAY. Marshall vs FIU had a
1.52 Nielsen rating being played prime-time Tuesday night (8 PM, E.T.). The New
Mexico bowl (Temply vs Wyoming) was played on SATURDAY, 12 PM MT. They garnered
a 1.54 Nielsen rating. Compare that to last year's New Mexico bowl
betweeen BYU and UTEP, which was played at the same time. It garnered a 1.82
Nielsen rating. Makes sense that both those bowls would have
slightly higher ratings than the Armed Forces bowl since most people are home
from work at night (prime-time) and on a Saturday.
Mount OlympusThe weekday, morning time slot was the overriding
factor in low ratings for the Armed Forces Bowl; it had NOTHING to do with the
teams involved.Comparing apples to apples:Ratings from
the just-completed 2011-12 athletic year showed BYU broadcasts led the
SLC/Ogden/Provo market in audience numbers, dominating in-state rival
Utah's broadcasts in both football and basketball.In-game
audience sharesBYU FB: ranging from 14.7 to 19.0 across key demos.
Utah FB: ranging from 8.2 to 13.4 across key demos.BYU FB:
average audience 159,900; season-high 228,700. Utah FB: average audience
90,500; season-high 132,700.Source: Arbitron
Re: truecoug1BYU's bowl game vs Tulsa had the 3rd lowest tv
ratings of all the bowls. It had fewer viewers than both Marshall vs FIU
and Temple vs Wyoming.
@NavalVet "I gave you the channels those games were on here in
Philadelphia."And I gave you the channels that those games were
ACTUALLY on, KJZZ and regional channels. Maybe U were confused? But hey, if U
can provide links to places that show that the OSU and Cal games were on FSN and
that the UCLA game was on FX, then I might actually believe U."But do the cougars get 58 million viewers?"Lol, nope, but
I can guarantee they get a whole lot more than the Utes do. The Utah was game
was our third lowest-rated game last year, even behind SJSU! BYUtv
is actually IN 58 million homes. The PAC 12 Network is on cable distributors
that reach 48 million homes, but that doesn't mean the PAC 12 Network is IN
48 million homes. There's a great article in the LA Times today about it.
Only those within the PAC footprint have it on their basic cable, and even in
some places within the PAC, an extra subscription or sports package is required
to view it.BYUtv > PAC 12 Network.BYU Brand >
Utah BrandBYU > UtahGo Cougars!
@NavalVet " Last year, Utah collected nearly $5.2 million in Pac-12 CCG and
Bowl revenues. We'll be getting that again THIS year, only with an
additional kicker of over $10.4 million in TV revenues PLUS whatever the Pac-12
Network nets (and THAT'll be a FULL share since it's new
money)."Lol, and your point? U still didn't get any of
that 3 billion dollar TV contract last year, which was the original question. U
are still operating in the red, your administration has still jacked up ticket
prices to try to get by, and U are still putting on a fundraiser to try and
raise money for your athletic department. U still operate out of a trailer park
and U still will get relegated to that amazing 'nationwide' PAC 12
network that U probably won't be able to see.U had as many
games on ESPNU as BYU's RUGBY team last year. And I'm pretty sure
that the commentators for the rugby game didn't apologize to their viewers
for how poor a game it was, which is what the commentators did during the
Utah/Pitt game.Nice brand, bro.
@NavalVet "All that KJZZ stuff is old news. If you had anything current, you
would have used it, but you don't so you're trying to tie Utah's
LAST season to the Indy-WACers CURRENT."Very true...I'll
have to switch over to the fact that your conference has a big ol' contract
with ESPN and Fox, yet they'll probably shove you on their cute little
'Mtn' Network.The PAC 12 already has a history of sitting
you down in the corner, patting your head, and telling you not to make waves. I
see no reason for that to change.By the way, thanks for the four
responses to my one comment. I haven't made you 'frantic and
emotional', have i?Go Cougars!
@NavalVet "How jealous you must be that due to our additional $10.4 million,
we can afford new Football offices, while you cannot."Lol, bro,
that's because we already built our "BCS" caliber facilities 5
years ago. Not only that, we actually just renovated our football offices this
year. Have you ever been to Student Athlete Building on campus at BYU? The
IPF? Perhaps you haven't noticed the brand new video boards and ribbons
they're putting into LES right now?See, BYU can actually afford
these top-notch facilities without being in a conference. Why? Because
they're a national brand that operates in the black, with a contract with
ESPN, not KJZZ. It's cute that your conference has a nice TV contract with
ESPN and Fox...I'm just curious as to how many times the WorldWide Leader
will pick U to be on their networks this year. My guess? Not many.It's also cute that Utah finally got the memo to upgrade their facilities
and that they will have money for them sometime in the future.Who
knows, maybe with your TV revenue, U can actually start buying recruits, like
Oregon and USC?
truecoug1:"Explains the trailer park. How miserable for
you."How amusing! Because it actually DOES explain the trailer
park. Utah's new $10.4 million (minimum...that doesn't count the FULL
share we'll be receiving from the Pac-12 Network) television revenues has
allowed us to renovate our existing athletic facilities. Without that extra
cash, we WOULDN'T have had the money to do it, and thus, would still be in
our regular location. But, since we DO have that extra cash flow, the trailers
will provide the Football staff a temporary place to park themselves while
construction continues on our new facility.(It takes more than a day
to build these types of structures you know...)How jealous you must
be that due to our additional $10.4 million, we can afford new Football offices,
while you cannot. 2012 = $15.1 million (minimum) for Utah...but likely in the
$5-7 million range (ESPN most likely won't option Weber St, so you'll
only get paid for the other 5 Home games) for the Indy-WACers. How miserable
truecoug1:"Why not? You still use the Indy-WACer label, even
though our contract with the WAC expires this year and you KNOW we don't
have any WAC teams on the schedule for next year."I use the
Indy-WACer label because you DO have a bunch of WAC teams on your schedule THIS
year. As for next year, there won't even be a WAC. All that
KJZZ stuff is old news. If you had anything current, you would have used it,
but you don't so you're trying to tie Utah's LAST season to the
truecoug1:I gave you the channels those games were on here in
Philadelphia. If it was illegal cable, that WOULD be funny since my friends and
I watched them at "Cavanaugh's Rittenhouse" sports bar on 18th and
Sansom. "BYUtv is actually in 58 million homes across the
nation."But do the cougars get 58 million viewers? No? Well
then I guess it doesn't really make any difference how many homes that
channel serves, does it? Now as for the Pac-12 Network, Comcast had just
recently changed up the channel line ups to include new cable programming. And
the Pac-12 Network is one of them. "...how much of that 3
billion dollars has Utah received? None?"Again...all in the
past. Last year, Utah collected nearly $5.2 million in Pac-12 CCG and Bowl
revenues. We'll be getting that again THIS year, only with an additional
kicker of over $10.4 million in TV revenues PLUS whatever the Pac-12 Network
nets (and THAT'll be a FULL share since it's new money).2012 = $15.1 millionWell for Utah anyway. Enjoy your $7-8
Cougars1:"...you sound like some frantic and emotional Ute fan
spreading more unverifiable super-secret inside information. 10 to 15 pal...Your
insecurity is amazing."I provided you with the Google search
engine requirements to verify my report. However, YOU have YET to provide
ANYTHING to substantiate your frantic and emotional made up revenues of $10-15
million.And FWIW...if you really did "know", then you would
have "known" how much it really was. You wouldn't have given a $5
million range. Proof positive that you don't really know. $8 million
range. I showed you where to look. Short of any NEW evidence...case closed!
Swoop,Not only do they have a trailer park; their indoor practice facility
is nothing more than a hay barn. You can't even punt or kick off in there
without banging it off the rafters. Pathetic.
@NavalVet "Still with the KJZZ thing?"Why not? You still
use the Indy-WACer label, even though our contract with the WAC expires this
year and you KNOW we don't have any WAC teams on the schedule for next
year."Philadelphians don't have access to KJZZ"Really? Yet you claim you were able to watch Cal (KJZZ/CSN Bay Area),
OSU (KJZZ, RSN-regional), and UCLA (KJZZ/FSPT)? Either you're lying (which
is hilarious), or you somehow watched on some illegal TV streaming website (even
more hilarious)!That's a new low, even for U! As
for the PAC 12 Network, how's that going to work out for you, since
it's availab le in 48 million homes in the PAC geographical area? And who
knows how many subscribers that really is? But hey, you were somehow able to
watch KJZZ, so I'm sure you'll figure out a way to get the PAC
networks.BYUtv is actually in 58 million homes across the nation.BYUtv > PAC NetworkBy the way, how much of that 3
billion dollars has Utah received? None? Huh, interesting. Explains the
trailer park. How miserable for you.Go Cougars!
Naval VetIt's laughable that Utah is "rolling in the
dough", yet the Utes are still gouging their students with increased student
fees, their fans with grossly inflated season ticket prices, and Hill is deathly
afraid of expanding RES because he doesn't want to be embarrassed by a sea
of empty red chairs when the inevitable losing seasons and no bowl games drain
RES just like we've seen at the Huntsman Center.Shiny new
facilities won't mean anything when you're still a conference bottom
dweller in every sport.
Naval,BTW, 7.4 is still as much or more than most mid major CONFERENCES
get, even though it's wrong.;)
Naval,Come on, now you sound like some frantic and emotional Ute fan
spreading more unverifiable super-secret inside information. 10 to 15 pal. I
like how you take the low end of everything just to prove you point. Your
insecurity is amazing.
Re: Naval VetWhat's funny is that 75% of those guys you named
from the 2010 class are on MISSIONS and will be playing with the team by 2013.
Besides, even without Jake Heaps the 2010 class would still have been ranked
33rd that year which still isn't too bad.
Cougar1:"I will repeat, 10 to 15 I do know. I just won't
tell you how I know."Of course. What would an Indy-WACey
article be without some frantic and emotional cougar fan spreading more
unverifiable super-secret inside information. Kind of like those "done
deals" Utah's little brother negotiated in their inevitable invitations
to the Pac-12 and the Big 12.I will repeat...$8 million range. I do
know. I just won't tell you how I know.truecoug1:Still with the KJZZ thing? You KNOW Utah is part of that $3 billion TV
package don't you? And that the Pac-12 Network's inaugural broadcast
will be in 2 days? And that the first Pac-12 Network Football game will feature
the Utes? How sad for you that you're not only stuck in the past, but also
stuck regurgitating desperation data. Philadelphians don't have access to
KJZZ, yet I was still able to watch the Utes take on the Indy-WACers (ESPN2),
USC (Versus), UWa, ASU, Cal, OSU, and CU (FSN), and UCLA (FX). Pitt (ESPNU) and
Ga. Tech (CBS) were also available to Philadelphians.How miserable
@NavalVet "After we were "Fully Invited", and you weren't
[*snicker*], I'd say that proved all those "secret negotiations"
with the Pac-10 were bogus, and which MWC team really DID carry the
"brand"."And after U were put on Versus against USC and
Colorado was put on ESPN against the Trojans, we got to see which PAC 12
newcomer really did 'carry the brand'. And after U got your contract
with KJZZ while BYU got theirs with ESPN, well, that definitely showed us who
has the national brand in the state.But congrats on getting into the
PAC 12 and 'leaving us behind'. You've officially become the new
Iowa St/Duke/Washington St/Kentucky/Maryland of the football world...except that
they're all on national TV more than U and I don't think any of those
teams runs their football facilities out of a trailer park.That's just sad, even for U.Go Cougars!
TheSportsAuthority and skywalker:(1) I have no need be overly
concerned about USC until after Sept. 22nd.(2) Cougar fans have
obnoxiously boasted for decades how "national" they were, and how their
"brand" made the WAC and the MWC. And while you DID "make the
WAC", the MWC was "made" by Utah and TCU. You guys never played in
a BCS bowl, and were only one notch above Colorado State. After we were
"Fully Invited", and you weren't [*snicker*], I'd say that
proved all those "secret negotiations" with the Pac-10 were bogus, and
which MWC team really DID carry the "brand". After TCU invited to the
Big 12, and you weren't [*snicker*], I'd say that proved all those
"secret negotiations" with the Big 12 were bogus as well, and which
remaining MWC team really DID carry the "brand". We're
going to ride you about this for a long time because we KNOW you would have done
the same to US had the shoe been on the other foot. We may have left you
behind, but that doesn't mean we won't enjoy making fun of you. I means we WILL!Haha!
Naval VetThe truth is, you're jealous that BYU is doing what
you know would be impossible for Utah.Utah is totally dependent on
whatever conference the Utes happen to be in. We all saw what happened to Utah
last season when the Utes were forced to come up with their own television
coverage for HOME GAMES - the best U could do was KJZZ - which the Utes were
probably willing to do for free just so their fans could watch the game.Conversely, when BYU played at Oregon State and the game wasn't
picked up by a PAC television partner, BYU sent their state-of-the-art HD
television truck to Corvallis and arranged to have the game simulcast on BYUtv
and on Fox College Sports Pacific (DirecTV, Comcast).
Naval VetWhy are you soooo obsessed with BYU, when Utah now has a
far bigger fish to fry in USC?Get over your BYU hatred already;
it's not healthy, in fact, it's not even logical for a fan of such a
"superior" program as Utah, to have such an inferiority complex that he
feels compelled to try to minimize everything about an institution that he holds
in such contempt.The fact that ESPN signed an 8-year agreement with
BYU, after having televised BYU football games since 1984, is proof positive
that the "World-Wide Leader" sees BYU as a very marketable college
Cougars1 (cont.):Since the sporting world doesn't hold their
breath for Indy-WACey matchups vs. SJSU, Idaho, or NMSU, you won't be able
to convince anyone outside of WACistan that these games are getting paid out any
amount over $800K.TCU + Utah = $1.2 X 2 = $2.4UCF + USU = $1 X
2 = $2SJSU + Idaho + NMSU = $0.8 X 3 = $2.4Idaho St. = $0Tulsa
(Bowl) = $0.6$2.4 + $2 + $2.4 + $0 + $0.6 = new money = $7.4
millionIndy-WACness = $7.4 million
Cougars1 (cont.):Another common misconception is that the cougars
will be paid up to $1.2 million for AWAY games broadcast on ESPN. They
won't. When you played at Oregon St, you got paid under OSU's
contract. Not your own. Same thing with Texas and Mississippi. In fact ALL
teams -- including Notre Dame -- are paid under the previously stipulated
contract negotiated by the HOST team. So you would have made the same amount of
money at Mississippi, Texas, Oregon St, et al as a MWC member as you did as an
Indy-WACer. That's not new money. So let's break it
down...I see no article that stipulated a $2.5M game with TCU. In
fact, you didn't even get that much when you played Oklahoma there 3 yrs
ago. Since ESPN negotiated the deal, it would have fallen under your ESPN
contract. Which means....$1.2M TOPS!Mississippi, Texas, Oregon St,
and Hawai'i would have been paid out at the hosting teams' rates, and
can not be classified as new money.Utah and TCU would have brought
in $1.2M each. UCF and USU -- likely $1M each.
Cougars1:"It was reported before last season that BYU would get
somewhere around 1.3 for home games televised by ESPN."And where
was this reported? Because I have a report that stated otherwise. If you
Googled the article "BYU signs long-term deals with ESPN, Notre Dame"
published on Sept. 3, 2010, you will read, "Holmoe and other BYU officials
announced an eight-year partnership with television sports giant
ESPN...Financial terms of the BYU-ESPN deal...estimates put it anywhere between
$800,000 and $1.2 million per home game."Not $1.3 million.Now there seems to be a few common cougar misconceptions about this
deal. One of which is that the cougars get to choose which figure they like
better between $800K and $1.2M. They don't. ESPN pays what they believe
the market share will hold. Thus, they're not paying you $1.2 million to
play UCF, USU, SJSU, Idaho St, Idaho, or NMSU. My best guess is you'd
collect $1 million for UCF and USU, and $800K for all the remaining teams
not-named Idaho St (since ESPN didn't broadcast that game).
Winglish:"With 25+ returning starters from a Top 25 ranked team
last year, BYU should have a very good record at the end of the season."Maybe if the Indy-WACers actually HAD 25+ starters returning, they
really MIGHT have a very good record at the end of the season. But, the trouble
is, you don't. You have 14. Which is 1 fewer than the number of starters
you had returning LAST year.P.S.: You only backed into the Top-25
by the end of last season by way of rolling up 10 wins. Except that you really
didn't beat anyone. When "8-5 Tulsa" is your signature win, then
your ranking is a farce....and one only made possible due to USC being
ineligible for placement in that poll. Only Indy-WACey fans think backing into
the Top-25 via weak-SOS is worth crowing about.
Naval VetIt's laughable that you spend soooo much time
comparing BYU and Utah recruiting, when, if you weren't just a BYU hater,
your attention should now be on USC. It's easy to guess why
we'll NEVER see a comparison of USC and Utah recruiting from you because an
objective comparison would prove, conclusively, that the Utes have absolutely
ZERO CHANCE of EVER beating the Trojans.Your once in a decade Top 25
recruiting classes aren't even in the same hemisphere of USC annual Top 10
Naval,That wasn't the point I was making, but you are correct. As for the 10 to 15, I could also say that your 8 estimate was pulled
out of you "ear" as a Utah fan who would hate to admit that BYU
surpassed the 10 mark. But I will repeat, 10 to 15 I do know. I just won't
tell you how I know.But just for fun, let's do a hypothetical.
It was reported before last season that BYU would get somewhere around 1.3 for
home games televised by ESPN. They had 7. Let's be very conservative and
say that they got $7 mil for the home games. The TCU game they got $2.5; also
reported by the dnews. That takes us to 9.5. Add in the paychecks from Texas and
Ol Miss and that puts it over 10. I don't know where you get your 8 from,
but it's wrong. Keep in mind that BYUtv also televised the Oregon State
game and had revenues from that game as well as the conference revenue share
from basketball and other sports. Enjoy the sand.
@gdog,Your analysis of the schedule is pretty fair. Considering
Bronco's 8-5 record against the Pac 12, I'm saying it's more than
fair on your part to concede that there is no way BYU would lose all three games
you mentioned. I also agree that 9-3 or 8-4 is not a big deal. Either can be
considered a successful season against an OK schedule (it's certainly not
weak as many Ute fans portray; nor is it world beating). With 25+
returning starters from a Top 25 ranked team last year, BYU should have a very
good record at the end of the season. Utah was the only bad loss for BYU's
10-3 team last year. That one just got out of hand. It goes that way
sometimes. Surely Ute fans remember Washington, Arizona State, Cal...
Cougars1 (cont.):Of those 12 players from your 2010 class whom I
listed, only Eason left due to graduation. Do you think your 2010 class would
have ranked even in the Top-50 without the #23 LB (Ho Ching), #36 DE (Fabuluje),
#44 DT (Rowley), #48 OG (Kanuch), #50 RB (Brown), #51 LB (Owens), #57 RB
(Moore), and #67 RB (Quezada)?Because I don't. Of your 12
recruits rated 3-stars or above, only 6 now remain."10 to 15.
This I know."The cougars did NOT get $10-15 million. And since
there have been no verifiable estimates reported anywhere outside of frantic and
emotional cougar blogs, I'm quite certain that you do NOT "know"
what you're claiming to know. You only "wish" it. That's not
the same thing as "knowing".
Naval,Thanks for making my point that the year after you beat your
rival you can't really use you recruiting class as the reason you will beat
them the next year. What we can do is project a win or loss based on what
players are in the program right now; and based on THAT, I would have to concede
that Utah has a pretty big edge. It doesn't stop me from cheering for the
Cougars1:"...not too long ago BYU had a top 25 class. Those
players are just now starting to make an impact."I'm
assuming you were referring to your 2010 class which was ranked in among the
Top-25 recruiting classes by Scout, but Rivals ranked it as the #40 class....8
spots behind Utah's. And as for those players "just now starting to
make an impact"....well, not necessarily.Your top-rated recruit
that season -- Jake Heaps -- is no longer with the team, so obviously, he's
not making any impact for the Indy-WACers. Without Heaps, Scout doesn't
grant you Top-25 status, and you know it. ALSO no longer with the team are:...3-star RB Algrenon Brown, 3-star DE Tayo Fabuluje, 3-star LB
Toloa'i Ho Ching, 3-star OL Tuni Kanuch, 3-star LB Collin Keoshian, 3-star
RB A.J. Moore, 3-star OL Manu Mulitalo, 3-star LB Joey Owens, 3-star RB Joshua
Quezada, 3-star DT Graham Rowley, 3-star TE Bryan Sampson, and 3-star DB Corby
Eason. That's 44.4% of that class now gone.
Naval,10 to 15. This I know.The rest of your comment just
validates what I said about some Utah fans who refuse to look at the schedule
for 2013. We all knew it would take a few years, but from 2013 on is a huge
improvement over the MWC. Feel free to stick your head in the sand, but those
are the facts. Is it better than Utah's situation in the PAC? No. I
am a BYU fan, but I am not blind. Utah is in a great situation, and I hope they
Cougars1:"Last year BYU received somewhere between $10 and $15
million."Nope. Best estimates indicate that last year, the
cougars received somewhere in the $8 million range. Now that's still
better than what they would have received in the MWC, but it's well short
of $10-15 million.On the negative side, the cougars' SOS
dropped substantially by playing in the WAC as opposed to the MWC, so it really
boils down to what's more important to the cougar program and their fans?
Is it the "money", or is it fans watching "good football"? In
MY opinion, "money" trumps "good football" since cougar fans
don't seem to care who they beat, or what teams take the field. All they
care is wins. And wins obviously come more readily when playing WAC football.
Jenny,Horrible comparison. For example, not too long ago BYU had a top 25
class. Those players are just now starting to make an impact. Very few freshmen
come in and make an immediate impact. Utah and BYU have been fortunate to have 1
or 2 per year, but I would guess that 50% of the time those "impact"
freshmen have carried no more than 2 or 3 stars. No doubt Utah will be good this
year. At least they don't have to worry like last year if Wynn goes down.
gdog,I have to say that was very fair. As a BYU fan, I know and knew that
the schedule would not be so good for the first 2 or 3 years of Independence.
What's interesting is how blind some Utah fans are to the fact that Tom
Holmoe pulled off what they thought was impossible by putting together a stellar
schedule by year 3. What most Utah fans refuse to admit is that Tom could not
have done it without the fact that BYU carries a ton of credibility in the world
of college football. Just to give you an idea of what BYU pulled off with
Independence, consider that the MWC this year managed to put together a
$8million deal with ESPN. Last year BYU received somewhere between $10 and $15
million. That is pretty incredible when you consider it was their first year of
Independence. However, I am aware that if they do not continue to win, that
number will flatten or maybe even decrease over the years. Scary thought.
Enjoyed your schedule breakdown.
JennyGood point. If Riley does get sacked over and over again as you
say we at least know he can take it.Jordan... not so much
"One of your excuses will be Blechen's absence?" Utah has their
best ever class ranking this year at 28th (Rivals) and BYU comes in at #61
....Utah wooped up on BYU in Provo last year and this year they are playing in
Salt Lake. BYU has NO chance of winning the rivalry game this year.
Poinsettia Bowl is going to be great.
Riley is going to get sacked again, and again, and again, etc. etc. etc. on and
on and on!
'girlse'Shouldn't you be on Facebook begging for
Dishnetwork and DirectTV deals?Please remember that your team is
racking up injuries left and right and if Wynnie gets bopped just once it's
deja vu, and your back to Jon. No south division championship, no shot at the
PAC championship, no parade, no Disneyland, etc. You know the story.No excuses for anything at BYU. Cougars have a team that's coming
together quite nicely.However I'm sure one of your excuses will
be Blechen's mysterious absence.
If Utah has three games that are tougher than BYU, then would BYU lose all
three? I say probably not. If BYU did lose all three (hypothetically), then I
say 9-3 vs. 6-6 is a glaring negative of a difference. If BYU lost
two of those three (again hypothetically), then 9-3 vs. 7-5 stands out
considerably. But the improved schedule might still be worth it because the bowl
game would be the same, and BYU beat one decent school instead of three
patsies.If BYU won two of those three, then I don't think 9-3
vs. 8-4 is a big deal to most BYU fans. Again the bowl game is the same and the
record not noticeably different. However, under this scenario, the nine win
version jumps to a 10 win season if the bowl game is won Although
the bowl game BYU goes to won't matter with those records (same bowl unless
undefeated), they still lack in regualr season excitement when playing half
their schedule filled with Big Sky and WAC teams. As for Utah,
rather the PAC 12 is down or not, I want to play PAC 12 schools.
@WinglishThis Ute fan thought your breakdown of the schedule was
interesting and worth dissecting.Here's my breakdown: Northern Colorado vs. Weber State: (wash)USU, OSU,
Washington State: all common opponents (wash)Utah vs. BYU: although
I like Utah, I will give you the tit for tat. Head to head will decide. (wash)
Hawaii vs. Colorado: Not sure, but I will give you another one (edge
Hawaii)I accept your 'equal' stance for Cal and ASU vs. GT
and ND (wash)Four games left to compare now. I gave you two
debatbles thus far. So, BYU is up one at this juncture.USC vs. Boise
State: Kellen Moore is gone. BYU might beat BSU. USC is hyped yet again, but I
still think they are much better than BSU. (edge USC) Schedules
equal (three games left)Washington, Arizona, and UCLA vs. Idaho, San
Jose State, and New Mexico State. (obviously Utah has a big edge in all
three)You said "Utah being two games stronger is not a big
deal". Really? My breakdown is fair right Ute and Cougar fans?
Is a three games difference favoring Utah a big deal? I say yes. Could be a big
Riley is in mid season form....complaning, whining, stabing his team mates in
the back. At least he can still field punts.
I appreciate Riley being honest, but I beat him to the punch. Before we heard
about these frustrations, I had already lowered my expectations from years past.
I'm already prepared to expect a far less effective running game, immense
lack of defense, and a pick or two every game. Now if BYU wins the first 4
games, I will be the most elated fan in America. And if they win 10 games,
we'll have a celebration at our house worthy of television. But if they
perform as expected, I'll survive and go back to reading my Book of Mormon
for joy. But I will enjoy the games and will watch all I can.
ok Winglish ill play your game of "tit for tat" and make my own
assumptions just like you did.Wash State BYU losesWeber State
(I think you conveniently forgot this one) BYU winsUtah BYU Loses by
44+Boise St. BYU loses by 30Oregon St BYU probably eeks a winNotre Dame BYU losesIdaho State BYU winsGeorgia Tech BYU losesNew Mexico State BYU winsUtah State BYU loses since it took them a lucky
tip at the end to even win last year. and everyone will be wanting to rush the
field again.San Jose State BYU WinsHawaii, BYU probably wins, even
though you say they are such a tough team.....LOLNotice the trend
here?Im giving you guys 6-6 this year.LOL
What team is he even watching? Every year I keep hearing how great the O-linemen
are. A few years ago I was told they were all going to be drafted.
Hymn: Thank you. Nelson is not the best QB to ever pilot a BYU squad. But he
has a lot of intangibles that make him good and an excellent team leader.
Hey, I', a Ute fan, but I like Nelson. Be plays hard, says what's on
his mind and doesn't get too caught up in anything else...of course he
expects a lot out of his line; good for him, call them out in the media and make
them respond. They're not going to disrespect him the way they did Heaps
because Nelson will not back down from a fight. BYUs program may never be where
they once were, but I would be glad for them to earn respect for making the most
out of what they have.
@ ConferenceofChampions- Last year your comment was probably accurate.
Let's look at the schedule:BYU and Utah both play Washington State,
Oregon State, and Utah State. Tit for tat.BYU and Utah play each other.
Tit for tat.Utah plays USC. BYU plays Boise State. Both of those teams
have been amongst the best in the country over the last decade. Utah has a
couple of possibly tough conference games in Arizona State and Cal. BYU easily
equals that with Notre Dame and Georgia Tech this year. Utah has scheduled
a cream puff opener in Division II school Northern Colorado. Wow! Impressive!
BYU counters with the powerhouse that is New Mexico State. Utah has three
games that are decidedly better than BYU's final games: Washington,
Arizona, and Colorado. BYU has scheduled Hawaii, Idaho, and San Jose State.
Hawaii is never a weak opponent and would probably beat Colorado. The other two
games are definitely weaker than Utah's.At the end of the day Utah
has two games that are stronger than BYU's schedule. Not too big of a deal.
Poor Starting QB. His star is hanging in the balance. After all, he HAS
been placed on the O'Brien watchlist as one of the best college QB's
in the country. How can such a star be expected to perform under such
circumstances as an inconsistent offensive line? He deserves better than
that!It's only natural then for a good leader to subvert his
minions--I mean, teammates-- in the press. After all, how can he be expected to
be a star when those meant to protect him are consistently inconsistent? He has
to express his feelings to the press, because that is what a good leader does!
Must be such a burden. Then again, he IS the star.
Anyone could go 9-3 in the cream puff schedule byu plays.LOL
54-IQBeats struggling against BAD teams and "cruising" to a
LOSING conference record.
Oh oh. Another struggle against good teams and then a cruise through the WAC.
CoC"Looks like the excuses have begun."4-5, 8th
in football, no votes in any polllast or next to last in every other
sportsWhiney excuses are all the kids on the hill know nowadays.
all i heard from this article was... "FUMBLE!"
Looks like the excuses have begun. LOL
UtahUte16No need for wailing and gnashing of teeth from BYU fans,
the whiney, jealous comments of the hill trolls will suffice.
Real Bass,BYU seems to have a problem with what its players say to
press. Bronco doesn't even care either, which is odd. But expect the BYU
fanbase to spin this like none other.I still thought they said BYU
was 5 deep at every position, so if the starters don't have continuity,
shouldn't they just throw in the 2nd stringers? They are just as good,
right Cougie fans?
Smiling at the jealous obsession of our little brothers and sisters on the
hill.Riley goes 6-7 for 70 yards and 3 TDs in practice, but all our
little friends can talk about is the headline that Riley is "frustrated with
lack of offensive-line continuity" because several O-linemen have missed
practices because of minor bumps and bruises.The paranoia on the
hill runs deep.
Bring that wine up to Logan, and we will serve some forarms and cheese with it!
Kin da hard-pressed for a story these days, Jeff?Sorry, I
didn't read beyond the headline.
We can always count on the trolls to be the first to comment, and the most to
comment, WITHOUT FAIL, on every BYU article.
Look for the wailing and gnashing of teeth that is sure to follow with
Duckhunter and sammy g. The nutrition program sounds like it's going well
At least Riley is mobile when the Ute defensive line comes calling. Well at
least we hope he's more mobile than that one time he got his clock cleaned,
fumbled the ball with the Utes returning it for a score...
Riley is going to get his clock rang in quite a few games...The Utes
"Star" is going to stomp on him!
Oh oh.....rumblings in paradise.Better get Homer Harmon over there to put
a better spin on it.
Don't we hear just a little too much from Riley Nelson. He still has a lot
to prove. Maybe he should be placed off limits to reporters until he wins an
important game or two.