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Published: Friday, Aug. 10 2012 3:16 p.m. MDT

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Dand_Ute
WEST JORDAN, UT

It might be more effective to go leave a message on Dish networks Facebook page. I did, my brother did, and they at least respond every time we do. But it may be a more visible way to put some pressure on Dish to get it done!!

Mildred in Fillmore
Salt Lake City, UT

Maybe they can borrow our HD truck.

sammyg
Springville, UT

Not too many Utes commenting on these PAC 12 Network stories. Wonder why? LOL

Conner Johnson

Please make a PAC-12 app for the XBOX 360!

Brave Sir Robin
San Diego, CA

@sammyg

"Not too many Utes commenting on these PAC 12 Network stories. Wonder why? LOL"

Probably because we're all working because we all have jobs.

U 90
Corona, CA

sammy,

Ute fans are probably not commenting because they haven't had a chance to read the article yet. They don't hang out by their computers all day long (and night) waiting for a news piece to break so they can be the first to make a comment and the sole purpose of their post is to hate and stir the pot. However, there actually are some people who do this.... imagine that.

The reason I'm not worried is because the DNews already reported earlier this year that Utah's current TV deal with the PAC 12 will top out at $32MM by 2015. There are other football programs in the state of Utah who's current TV deal appears to be flat lined at about $8MM per year, but they do have a really neat HD truck.

SoonerUte
Salt Lake City, UT

sammyg wants a comment about PAC 12 Network stories.

My provider will offer the PAC 12 Network. I'm set for the season. There is nothing to fuss about.

Wallbanger
Spanish Fork, UT

Sammy

You said on another post that things are looking grim with the PAC 12 network, and you know because you've "been in telecommunications for 35 years." Kind of weird that you are that old and you post such negative things about the Utes all the time. You don't know what is going on behind closed doors because you are in telecomm. So stop pretending you do.

Well, it doesn't benefit most people, but I got in touch with SFCN (Spanish Fork Community Network) today, and they are in fact launching The PAC 12 network soon. Things will be worked out, the network is expanding like they said it would and we'll be just fine. Ducky and sammyg need to stop jumping on every Ute story and spewing their negativity. That is why I RARELY post on BYU stories...because I don't care! IF SFCN is launching it, why wouldn't Directv and Dish do the same? Can't wait for the season to start, Go Utes!!

sammyg
Springville, UT

Wallbanger

My favorite fan. By the way telcom these days is a broad term. Guess what comes to your home thru that glass pipe or your cellphone? Guess what ties all this stuff together. And also, I'm not pretending anything, all of this information is very real and accurate.

I'm happy that you don't have to change cable plans. For some, they won't be so lucky.

"IF SFCN is launching it, why wouldn't Directv and Dish do the same?"

Well why didn't Dishnet carry 'theMtn' when DirectTV did? My neighbor was ticked that he had to dump Dishnet to watch 'theMtn' on DirectTV.

Contrary to your simplistic view of things, not every cable network (satellite provider?)is willing to pay and carry the network. Sure in the PAC 12 region it will be popular but elsewhere? Case in point, Cox Cable.

These are just verifiable facts.

Jon Wilner, Mercury News blogger 8/10

"The Pac12Nets currently have agreements with distributors that reach 48 million homes. To be clear, that's different than the Pac12Nets being IN 48 million homes."

"The Pac-12 won’t make public the number of subscriptions to its networks."

Elk Hair Caddis
Sandy, UT

The top three teams USC,Stanford and Oregon will be on TV a whopping 5 times. Whoopee. But what about the rest of the teams that have coaches "like Pac 12 coaches" and have players "like PAC 12 players" and have recruits "like PAC 12 recruits" well whoopty doo for them to.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@wallbanger

Yes I love how much sammyg and myself bother you, but the fact is you, and the other utah "fans" around here have it coming. Many of you have been spouting for the better part of 2 years about what this was going to be, how much better it is than anything BYU has going, and using it to try and claim some sort of superiority. Now it is obvious that none of that is the case. Yea there'll be more money but as far as that realtes to BYU it is meaningless. BYU runs a surplus in their athletic department, utah runs a deficit and has to be subsidized by the students and other university funds. What does it matter if "our tv deal makes more than your tv deal" when the truth is "our athletic department runs in the black and your athletic department runs in the red"?

Then there is the inarguable fact that the pac12 network will not have the distribution claimed by utah "fans", not even close. It pprobably never will because most people don't care about the pac12, I know that hurts you but it is a fact, most dont care.

StGtoSLC
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Elk Hair Caddis: "The top three teams USC,Stanford and Oregon will be on TV a whopping 5 times. Whoopee. "

False. They will be on the Pac-12 Networks 5 times each, in addition to the other networks airing their games (i.e. ESPN, ABC, NBC, Fox).

Duckhunter: "BYU runs a surplus in their athletic department"

Where could you direct one looking to verify this? As a private school, BYU doesn't release that info.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@sammyg: "Not too many Utes commenting on these PAC 12 Network stories. Wonder why?"

Because we're not worried about "exposure". PAC-12 signed a $2-3 billion contract with FOX and ESPN, the PAC-12 network is just a bonus. We'll be just fine thank you.

@Duckhunter: "BYU runs a surplus in their athletic department, utah runs a deficit and has to be subsidized by the students and other university funds."

Yes BYU did have a surplus in 2011 and athletic department revenues mainly come from ticket sales, corporate sponsorships, TV/radio broadcasting contracts and donations, according Deseret News.

Note the word "donations". How much? No idea because the article did not say.

As far as Utah all I could find was from LA Times:

Other schools that relied heavily on allocated revenues in 2010 included Oregon State ($11 million), Arizona State ($10.3 million) and Pac-12 newcomers Utah ($8.6 million) and Colorado ($7.3 million)... On most Pac-12 campuses, athletic spending falls in line with a national average that sees universities devoting 3% to 4% of their total budget to sports.

royalblue
Alpine, UT

Duckhunter: "BYU runs a surplus in their athletic department"

StGtoSLC: "Where could you direct one looking to verify this?"

It's common knowledge that BYU athletics are required to run in the black.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@stg

If you simply google BYU athletic department budget you will find a 2 part article published in the Deseret News from February of 2011. BYU released the information to the Dnews for the article stating they run a surplus of 5.5 million dollars in their athletic department of income over expenses. The name of the article is

"BYU sports budget rundown shows what sports profit, cost"

You may also find one stating utah runs a deficit although that is just as easily verified on the state of Utah site.

Of course this has been stated and well documented on these boards many, many, times. You know that. Nice try at your passive/aggressive attempt to cast doubt on what I posted, but you failed.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@Duck

If no one cares about PAC-12 then please explain why ESPN and FOX paid about $3 billion for broadcast rights.

Sounds to me it's a waste of money if no one cares. Maybe sammy can tell us why since he's been in the telecommunication industry for 35 years.

@sammy

You left out the entire quote from the article:

"The Pac12Nets currently have agreements with distributors that reach 48 million homes. To be clear, that’s different than the Pac12Nets being in 48 million homes. (But by comparison, the Big Ten Network had agreements with distributors reaching approx 30 million homes when it launched in 2007.) ... The football breakdown: 22 games on the ESPN networks, 22 games on the Fox networks and 35 games on the Pac-12 Networks."

Conclusion, the PAC-12 network has a BIGGER footprint than what the BIG 10 had when they launched in 2007 by 18 million. One can assume that by being in 18 million more homes that the PAC-12 network could have more subscribers than BIG 10. So one can argue that people care more about PAC-12 than BIG 10 when it first launched.

sammyg
Springville, UT

Stg

Jon Wilner, Mercury News blogger 8/10

"The football breakdown: 22 games on the ESPN networks, 22 games on the Fox networks and 35 games on the Pac-12 Networks."

Not sure how this will play out, it will be interesting to see who gets on Fox and ESPN and who doesn't.

As for the remaining 35 games on the PAC 12 Net, it's not going nearly as far beyond the regions as originally hoped for. As I mentioned previously Cox Cable has backed out. Little to no coverage on their system outside of the PAC 12 footprint. That's a sizable chunk of viewers removed.

But let's be realistic, who outside of the regions is really a PAC fan, let alone a Ute fan? Millions? Don't think so.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@uteology

There are enough pac12 fans to warrant the tv contract I presume or else it wouldn't have been awarded. But outside of pac12 area's almost no one cares about the pac12. I know utah "fans" like to beat their chests and proclaim some sort of immediate relevence occured to the utah program by joining the pac12 but on a national acale not much changed for them. Most people still don't care and most people still won't watch them unless they are playing usc and that is only because people want to watch usc.

It is becoming increasingly obvious that the pac12 network of stations will never be more than a pac12 region anomally, hardly national, and that is because most people don't care.

utah "fans" have spent the last couple of years denigrating BYUtv but the truth is it is quite a bit more widely distributed than the pac12 network will probably ever be and the thing they share in common is that outside of the fans of the schools playing on each channel almost no one else will watch.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

Oh and uteology do you even read what you post?

"The Pac12Nets currently have agreements with distributors that reach 48 million homes. To be clear, that’s different than the Pac12Nets being in 48 million homes."

Let me explain what this says. Despite having agreements with distributors that reach 48 million homes those distributors ARE NOT making the channel available to all 48 million homes. I would like to know what the actual number is that it is really available in? Obviously many of the distributors hold the rights to the pac12 networks but are only going to make them available to a limited number of their subscribers, not ALL of their subscribers and that limited number is mainly just in pac12 cities.

You then wrote

"One can assume that by being in 18 million more homes that the PAC-12 network could have more subscribers than BIG 10"

Actually "one CANNOT assume" that. To the contrary the pac12 channel is not "in 18 million more homes" than the big10 channel. It actually may be in far less if all 30 million big10 homes were actually given the channel by the providers that had it.

Small details are killers.

StGtoSLC
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Duckhunter, no, sir I did not know that, I hadn't read that article, but thank you for directing me to it. As for "passive/aggressive doubt casting," sure, call it what you will, but your assumptions of my intentions are where you failed, not I. I simply asked for a source, you gave me one, so I succeeded.

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